Can someone be saved by reading the NIV?

[Pastor Matt]

[quote="Kubel"]
There are different levels of KJV-Onlyism. It is a doctrine based entirely on faith, with no scriptural backing. Because of this, there are many different degrees of KJVOism.
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You say we have different levels because of no Scriptural backing? Then why is do we have different levels of salvation, baptism, separation and sin? Is it because we have no Scriptural backing? No, it is because we fail to open our eyes to see the truth of Gods Words. You are using an argument that is unintellectual at best. Fact is your salvation is based purely on faith according to the way you interpret scripture so why are you trying to correct us if we put our faith in the Word that God preserved? The fact is you do not like our convictions and should should a little more understanding to those that hold different views than you.

[Pastor Matt]

[quote="BaptistBibleBeliever"]
Apparently I am wrong. I had been told, I think, that this board was run by yourself and your brother - Dan, but apparently he isn't your brother since you don't know him! My apologies!

Thank you for reaffirming this board's solid stand on the King James Bible.
[/quote]

:D Ben is my brother that helps with this site. He is a busy guy so he does not post as much any more.

As long as I am here this site will hold the King James Bible as Gods preserved Words for the English speaking people. Seems like people are blaiming us for what God did. :roll:

[Pastor Matt]

[quote="Dwayner79"]
It simply make no logical sense.
[/quote]

Neither does the fact that God loved you and I so much that he died for us. Why did he do it? I can show you tons of places in the Bible that God made no logical sense. With our minute minds we can't understand God or His ways so why are you making an argument based upon Gods logic that you can't understand? :?

You guys are not making any sense at all. No wonder why people are confused about what version to use.

[Kubel]

Fair and honest questions deserve a fair and honest answer. We have a forums of people here that believe in King James Onlyism. I think this forum would be the best place to get the answers, if anywhere. I'm just asking questions here. I don't mean to offend, yet I feel that's how I'm coming across. If there are no answers to these, just say so. If there are, please share them.

1. Where was the perfectly inspired "word of God" in English before 1611?

2. If there was a perfectly inspired "word of God" in English before 1611, what was the need for the KJV?

3. In which edition of the KJV are the promises for preservation fulfilled? Remember, there are still typos and differences in the KJV. Which one is 100% right?

4. If God did inspire the KJV, why did he allow so many errors which needed to be revised?

5. Why did God include the apocrypha in the KJV1611? Why did he include the translators preface, which clearly did not agree with KJVO? Why did he include the margin notes? Couldn't he have made sure these were not included, since they would clearly be against KJVO?

6. If the KJV is perfectly word-for-word inspired, why would italics even be necessary?

7. Why must the perfectly inspired "word of God" in English be found in one volume? Does any verse of scripture say that it should? Does any verse say which one? Is there any scriptural support for KJV-Onlyism?

[Pastor Matt]

We have discussed these answers many times on here.

[b]Please do a search first on these questions. [/b]

Sorry, if I sound rude but we have been answering these same type of questions on OB for over 5 years now and a simple search would answer your questions.

In fact you just finished talking about the apocrypha a few weeks back. Just because you do not like the answer does not mean it wasn't answered. Shows me that no matter how I/we answer these questions you will say we did not answer them. You are not looking for answers but rather have an ulterior motive.

[pneu-engine]

Please, all of you that think I'm wrong, tell me.

Here is what I've been taught:::::::::::
[b]
The question is why did God choose to have His precious preserved Word written in English????[/b]

The answer is quite simple, really.

God in His ultimate and unfathomable foreknowledge, and Who knows everything before the beginning even begins, knew that,

[b]1. [/b]England would rise to a national power of such magnitude that it would actually be said that,

[b]"The sun never sets on the English Empire."[/b]

[b]2. [/b]The English language would reach its peak of power and expressiveness at the end of the 16th century (1500s) and the beginning of the 17th century (1600s). It was at this point that God chose to have His preserved Words in their copied manuscripts translated into that language.

Why English, you say???? The English Empire was busy all around the world and sending missionaries to the far reaches of the earth. Great Britain had occupations that circled the globe.

During my growing up years the English language was The Language to learn all over the world. Nowadays there is a great falling away, and you can't even buy a tool of any kind without the instruction book being printed in several languages. It was not always so. Way back in the 50s, 60s and 70s children in foreign countries were being taught English as well as their native language. God knew this was going to happen.

[pneu-engine]

Bro Matt,

I agree with you. There certainly seems to be a secret agenda and hidden ulterior motive behind the constant haranguing against the [b]absolute authority [/b]of the KJV for English speaking people. :(

[Pastor Matt]

[quote="pneu-engine"]
Bro Matt,

I agree with you. There certainly seems to be a secret agenda and hidden ulterior motive behind the constant haranguing against the [b]absolute authority [/b]of the KJV for English speaking people. :(
[/quote]

You got it PE!!
You know a agenda is present because when someone comes on here and says "I have an honest question" an when presented with the answer it is not, "OK, thank you", but rather says no that is wrong. If you had an honest question that you are looking for an answer to you would not argue the answer.
Lets relate this to something relevant.
If we were traveling and need to ask for directions and told the guy/gal "how do you get to Interstate 84 from here?"
Guy/gal- "Go to the second light and turn left"
Me- "No way, that is not right, you take a right"
Guy/Gal- "No, it is a left"
Me- "Right"

Now was I looking for an honest answer? Answer is no. I have been doing this message board long enough now and I know an honest question when they do not have to agree with the answer but rather accepts it and an answer.

Not to mention these question are already answered in the pages here. Taking the time to do a simple search would answer them.

[Kubel]

Searching for keywords relating to KJV on a Christian forums would be like searching the Bible for "God". Many many results. :D

I seriously won't argue or haggle over any responses I get. If the answers I receive don't convince me, it will just reaffirm that KJVO is not a biblical doctrine that I should believe, and I'll remain quiet.

Consider this an opportunity to set me straight. I'm not out to prove anyone wrong. In fact, I asked them for my own benefit after someone here said they would be praying for me to understand it as they do.

I used to be KJVO, until I ran into questions like these. It would be awesome if I can get them answered.

[Pastor Matt]

[quote="Kubel"]
Searching for keywords relating to KJV on a Christian forums would be like searching the Bible for "God". Many many results. :D
[/quote]

Which again confirms my beliefs that you are not looking for answers. When I want an answer [b]I take the time to study and research it out[/b].

[quote]
If the answers I receive don't convince me, it will just reaffirm that KJVO is not a biblical doctrine that I should believe, and I'll remain quiet.
[/quote]

Interpretation: If it is not the answer I am looking for I will argue it. But I really am looking for honest answers. :D

[quote]
Consider this an opportunity to set me straight. I'm not out to prove anyone wrong. In fact, I asked them for my own benefit after someone here said they would be praying for me to understand it as they do.
[/quote]

See above.




[quote]
I used to be KJVO, until I ran into questions like these. It would be awesome if I can get them answered.
[/quote]

Again they are answered here on OB and if you really wanted to know you would take the time and do the research.

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

It's not my job to set you straight, Kubel. Do you not have the same capacity to approach GOD in simple child-like faith that I have? Based on the fact that you are looking for an answer based on human reasoning and faulty understanding - you obviously seem not to be concerned about an absolute truth.

GOD has it.

I could ask you the questions that GOD asked Job. If you can answer them, I could reason, then I will answer you.

At this point, I - as an ex-Mormon - am very suspicious that cultic strategy is at play here. If you are not convinced with the position of this board, its members and its administrator . . .

Why are you here?

To reiterate - GOD will set you straight.

Either now, or later . . . you take your pick and take your chances.

[pneu-engine]

AMEN, Bro Matt, BBB.

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[Kubel]

No answers yet? C'mon guys. You are looking at me like I'm an enemy. I asked some questions- I honestly want answers. There is no subliminal cultic strategy here. I'm playing fair. I'm a born again, blood bought saint of God just like you- and I have questions.

You can bring this to a quick end by doing one of these options:

1) You can ban me. That will positively get rid of me and my questions real quick. But that wouldn't be nice and I will still be stuck with these pesky questions.

2) You can answer the questions, as many as you can, however you wish, to the best of your ability. I'll be satisfied whether or not they pursuade me. I ask these questions to get answers so I can decide.

3) You can say you don't want or can't answer the questions, and I will be satisfied.

Really, I know there are trolls that ask these questions. I won't bite back. I promise! Are you convinced now?

[Kubel]

4) I'll even let you explain to me why asking these questions is in some way forbidden, if you choose none of the above.

I have questions about KJVO, that's why I want answers. I have no hidden agenda here.

[pneu-engine]

Kubel,

Try an experiment, OK?

Right now, clear your mind of everything except a mental image of you on your face prostrate before God's Throne of Grace:::: Ask Him in all the sincerity of a trusting child for His answers to your questions re. the KJV as the absolute authority for all english speaking people. If you will really do that in faith believing, He will tell you.

What you need to do is put away any preconceived ideas that you already have, and from your posts, I can see that you have many.