The Necessity of Special Creation: The Virgin Birth

[Psalms18_28]

how can Jesus' body suffer, thrist, hunger, corrupt, and even die if he was born with a glorify body?

The Lord Jesus is able to overcome sins even if his body suffered due to the curse of sins that entered the world.

[lettheredeemedsayso]

I asked that question because some do not see it that way, that each person falls on their own, that the sin nature is not inherited, not passed on by the father to his children. I just wondered if anyone around here saw it that way.

The sin nature is inherited. That is why the Holy Spirit had to place the seed in Mary's virgin womb. If Joseph had been Jesus' father He would have inherited the sinful nature.

Check out Romans 5

http://www.kingjamesbible.com/B45C005.htm

[LindaR]

how can Jesus' body suffer, thrist, hunger, corrupt, and even die if he was born with a glorify body?

The Lord Jesus is able to overcome sins even if his body suffered due to the curse of sins that entered the world.

Jesus wasn't born with a glorified body. He was sent in the "likeness of sinful flesh". (Romans 8:3). He was the Word made flesh (John 1:14). He did not "partake of flesh and blood" as we do, but "took part" of the same (Hebrews 2:14).

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Jesus Christ did indeed suffer, during His lifetime on this earth, and on the cross . He took our place on the cross of Calvary, and became "sin" for us.

Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

His body did not see corruption--even in His death--for He rose on the third day. In the Psalms we read:

Psalms 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

[JerryNumbers]

Hey, I'm in agreement, I just wondered if we have any here that wasn't.

And Linda is right, Jesus' glorified body came after His death and resurrection, not before.

[JAHinton]

The traducianist theory of the origin of the soul is that it is received from the father. Heb 7:9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. 10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
My children received their sin nature from me (Their mother still has hers ) Had Jesus had a human father he would have likewise received a sin nature and would not have been the sinless lamb of God and could not have died for our sins.

As for the use of scientific inaccurate data by preachers, I am in agreement. As a scientist (Chemistry major and spent 13 years in a laboratory before I was saved), when we use inaccurate statements scientific or other wise we discredit our message. Your physical characteristics are received from each parent. The exception of that being your gender. Your mother had no alternitive but to give you an x chromosome. Dad could have given you an x or y chromosome. If you are a guy, you got the y. The gene for rational thinking by the way is on the y chromosome :cooldude:

Not only in the area of science can one discredit there message any other area can do it. Before I was saved I was a 32 degree scottish right mason and a 7th degree york right. A preacher very early in my Christian life very nearly turned me off because of his inaccurate statements. I today am strongly opposed to the masonic lodge for my own reasons which I choose not to discuss on this web site Know what you are talking about not what you have heard.

[Jerry]

He did not "partake of flesh and blood" as we do' date=' but [b']"took part" of the same (Hebrews 2:14).

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Actually, that verse in Hebrews states He did partake of flesh and blood, as we do. Compared with Romans 8 - He took on man's nature, without sin.

[JerryNumbers]

[quote="JAHinton"]The traducianist theory of the origin of the soul is that it is received from the father. Heb 7:9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. 10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
My children received their sin nature from me (Their mother still has hers :wink ) Had Jesus had a human father he would have likewise received a sin nature and would not have been the sinless lamb of God and could not have died for our sins.

As for the use of scientific inaccurate data by preachers, I am in agreement. As a scientist (Chemistry major and spent 13 years in a laboratory before I was saved), when we use inaccurate statements scientific or other wise we discredit our message. Your physical characteristics are received from each parent. The exception of that being your gender. Your mother had no alternitive but to give you an x chromosome. Dad could have given you an x or y chromosome. If you are a guy, you got the y. The gene for rational thinking by the way is on the y chromosome :cooldude:

Not only in the area of science can one discredit there message any other area can do it. Before I was saved I was a 32 degree scottish right mason and a 7th degree york right. A preacher very early in my Christian life very nearly turned me off because of his inaccurate statements. I today am strongly opposed to the masonic lodge for my own reasons which I choose not to discuss on this web site Know what you are talking about not what you have heard.[/quote]

OK, I'm not going to ask you why nor to discuss the lodge.

You say your opposed to it, does that mean that you feel Christians should not be a member of a lodge.

My father was a member of it, but I did not care for it the least bit, and I do not think God's children should be tied to it.

I know of a local pastor who is a member of the lodge, it rightly surprised me, until I found that out I highly respected him. Seems there are many Christians even in Baptist Churches who think highly of the lodge.

I read a book by Dr. John Rice that laid it out rather good. Seems he had a pastor friend who tried to get him to come into the lodge, which after investigating it, he felt he should have no part of it.

I also looked thru some of the book dad had, what I found I did not care for.

[JAHinton]

1. Ask those persons who profess christ if the y believe the penalty of their obligation is scriptural. (defenitely not)

2. Ask them the significance of there white leather apron.
(false salvation)

3. Ask them the complete title of the highest ranking officer in the blue lodge.
(WORSHIPFUL MASTER)
4. Ask them who they are prohibited from being immoral with.
(brother master mason's wife, mother, sister, or daughter I guess that makes everybody else fair game

My memory on every detail is vague it has been nearly 40 years. I therefore do not want to go into more details.

[JerryNumbers]

1. Ask those persons who profess christ if the y believe the penalty of their obligation is scriptural. (defenitely not)

2. Ask them the significance of there white leather apron.
(false salvation)

3. Ask them the complete title of the highest ranking officer in the blue lodge.
(WORSHIPFUL MASTER)
4. Ask them who they are prohibited from being immoral with.
(brother master mason's wife, mother, sister, or daughter I guess that makes everybody else fair game

My memory on every detail is vague it has been nearly 40 years. I therefore do not want to go into more details.

I was not asking for any details nor for a discussion on this.

I thought from what you said, you did not think it is proper for a Christian to be in the lodge, I was just asking if I understand you correctly.

[JAHinton]

I'm sorry. Your understanding is correct

[LindaR]

Actually, that verse in Hebrews states He did partake of flesh and blood, as we do. Compared with Romans 8 - He took on man's nature, without sin.

Are you comparing Hebrews 2:14 with Romans 8:3?

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

In other words, the "flesh and blood" of Jesus was like ours in His humanity (he had a human nature), but without sin...as was the first Adam, before the fall?