Repent and Believe…

[TheGloryLand]

The Word Repent for Salvation. I am noticing that there are Baptists leaving out the word Repentance. My question today is when you share the gospel for salvation for a new believer. Do you share that they also must repent or you just say, they have to simply believe. 

[Jerry]

Both. The Bible teaches both.

Acts 20:21
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Acts 26:20
But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

There are many today that either remove repentance from their preaching or redefine it to mean a change of mind in some way (for example, change your mind about what you are trusting in) - but not in regards to sin or turning from sin. YET there are multiple passages that clearly show when it comes to man, in the Bible repentance ALWAYS is associated with an inward turning from sin towards the Lord and ALWAYS results in a changed life (though many even refute that idea too).

1 Thessalonians 1:9
For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;

Here’s an example:

Luke 13:1-5 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Many people during the tribulation period will be lost because they will not turn from their sins:

Revelation 9:20-21
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Their unrepented sin kept them out of heaven:

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Various other passages come to mind, but consider these:

Romans 1:28-32

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Galatians 5:19-21

Ephesians 5:3-7

1 Timothy 1:9-10

[TheGloryLand]

We realize that we are sinners, that the flesh is weak, and that we will repent of our evil ways. Why would anyone want to leave this out?

[Jerry]

It’s not positive to them, so many do not like it. It’s easy to believe all you have to do is say a prayer and you are saved forever. Repentance challenges ypi to be personally accountable for your sins and to live differently. No repentance preachers often give the idea that you can be saved - but maybe never see a difference or ever have any good fruit - you can become more devoted to the Lord later IF you personally choose to do so, otherwise you are just fine as you are.

Just As I Was

 

Just as I was, I came to You;

You took my heart and made it new;

Transformed by Your grace - Lord, I love You.

Oh Jesus, my Saviour, I’m Yours, I’m Yours.

 

Not as I was - my sins are all gone;

I’m now adopted as your son;

For on the cross, it all was done.

Oh Heavenly Father, I’m saved, I’m saved.

 

Not as I was - in darkest night;

You opened my eyes and gave me sight;

Washed by Your blood, and changed by Your might.

Oh Lamb of God, I’m cleansed, I’m cleansed.

 

Now as I am - You’ve shown me Your way;

For when I bowed my head to pray,

You gave me new life that very day.

Lord, by Your Spirit, I’m changed, I’m changed.

 

November 19, 2023

Jerry Bouey and Angela Trenholm

https://songs-in-the-night.blogspot.com/2023/11/just-as-i-was-song.html

[bro. Mark]

I struggle with this, because even all the verses posted above, don't say anything about repenting from sin.  It seems Baptist are split on this, but the one side tends to automatically associate repentance with sin.   But even in the old testament, God himself repents.  So repentence is clearly not just about sin.   Plus, imagine telling someone that God loves them, and that you are saved by grace and faith.  But wait, you're not actually saved by grace, you're saved by being able to magically stop sinning.   

If we could stop sinning, then Jesus died for literally nothing.   Repenting from sins is definitely part of the journey.  But for salvation? I don't see it in Scripture.   

But whenever I mention this, people post endless verses that have the word repent in it, but zero of them even mention the word sin, or repenting of sin for salvation. 

Repenting of your sins to be saved is clearly a works based salvation.   But once you're saved, sinning becomes so much easier to defeat.  But it's a process.   If you have to stop sinning to be saved, none of us on this forum is saved.  

[Jerry]

Repenting of sin is turning in your heart from them, not cleaning up your life outwardly - though true repentance will change the outside afterwards.

[bluewater]

Repent from unbelief; turn around your heart so as to face God in reverence with thankfulness, believe His testimony and have faith in Jesus Christ.

Believe God for righteousness, trust Jesus Christ for salvation.

 

 

[Jerry]

The Bible teaches to repent of sin AND to belief. It is never repent of your unbelief.

[Jerry]

Revelation 9:20-21
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
 

Luke 13:1-5 -- There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
 

Mark 1:4
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
 

Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
 

Acts 20:21
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

It isn’t saying repent of unbelief and believe.

Acts 26:20
But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

[BrotherTony]

Romans 10:9-13.... Repentance often comes after belief, at least in the greater degree. Some may teach 100 percent repentance before, but that seems to follow under the Lordship salvation teachings some put forth. 

Edited November 5 by BrotherTony

[Jerry]

Repentance is a change of mind/heart about your sin and the way you were going in life. Turning from your sin in your heart - it is not cleaning up your life first. Biblical repentance and faith always results in a changed life.

[BrotherTony]

34 minutes ago, Jerry said:

Repentance is a change of mind/heart about your sin and the way you were going in life. Turning from your sin in your heart - it is not cleaning up your life first. Biblical repentance and faith always results in a changed life.

And nobody has denied this.

[Jerry]

Just clarifying. The previous poster was saying repentance was turning from unbelief. Was replying while shopping with my sister so might have missed part of the thread or replied without explaining enough.

Edited November 5 by Jerry
Correction

[BrotherTony]

1 hour ago, Jerry said:

Just clarifying. The previous poster was saying repentance was turning from unbelief. Was replying while shopping with my sister so might have missed part of the thread or replied without explaining enough.

Thank you for the clarification. That's always one of the difficulties in communicating with keyboard and screen. No offense taken here. 

[bluewater]

On 11/5/2024 at 2:54 PM, Jerry said:

The Bible teaches to repent of sin AND to belief. It is never repent of your unbelief.

Unbelief is a sin, perhaps the beginning of sin as in the garden of Eden. Adam and Eve didn't believe God.