What is wrong with Christian Contemporary Music and Rock?

[Hambone]

During a 1993 Oprah Winfrey interview, Michael Jackson, explained the reason for some of his filthy sexual gestures during his concerts:


"It happens subliminally. IT'S THE MUSIC THAT COMPELS ME TO DO IT. You don't think about it, it just happens. I'M SLAVE TO THE RHYTHM."
(The Evening Star, Feb. 11, 1993, p. A10)

Nothing about the lyrics! It's the MUSIC!

How can the Holy Spirit of the Bible use such wicked, fleshly music!

Regardless of the lyrics!

Despite the artist's claims that people are coming to God through their music, people are not coming to Christ to be BORN AGAIN; they're coming to religion in the name of Christ. There's a BIG difference! There are tens-of-millions of people coming to religion in the name of Christ; but they've never been BORN AGAIN by the incorruptible Word of God. 1st Peter 1:23 states, "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

The Apostle Paul declares in Galatians 4:16, "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" The Bible clearly teaches that believers in Christ are to COME OUT of the heathen world (2nd Corinthians 6:14-17).


CHRISTIAN MUSIC SHOULD PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST ? NOT MAN

Now, you would think this point is unnecessary for CHRISTian music. After all, CHRISTian means "a follower, believer of Jesus Christ". And if it is truly Christian music, it should testify, praise and sing about the Lord Jesus Christ.

The PURPOSE of Christian music is to PRAISE the Lord.

I will be glad and rejoice in thee: I will sing PRAISE to thy name, O thou most High. Psalm 9:2

Be thou exalted, LORD, in thine own strength: so will we SING and PRAISE thy power. Psalm 21:13

The LORD is my strength and my shield; my heart trusted in him, and I am helped: therefore my heart greatly rejoiceth; and with my SONG will I PRAISE him. Psalm 28:7


PRAISE the LORD with harp: sing unto him with the psaltery and an instrument of ten strings. Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise. Psalm 33:2-3

When someone truly gets saved, God puts a NEW song in their mouth. And that song is "PRAISE unto our God" ? the result of salvation is ? PRAISE. And it's not something we work up, or "fake", or just do ? but it's something God "puts"! Christian music is "praise unto our God". Do you think God is a liar?

1 I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry.
2 He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings.
3 And he hath PUT a NEW SONG in my mouth, even PRAISE unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD. Praise 40:1-3

Did you read that? The DIRECT result of being saved is "A NEW SONG" even "PRAISE unto our God". REAL Christian music PRAISES the Lord!

Even when the apostle Paul and Silas were thrown in jail and in stocks they sang praises to the Lord (notice: they weren't singing the blues ? they "sang praises unto God").

And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and SANG PRAISES unto God: and the prisoners heard them. Acts 16:22
Sadly, much of what goes by the name CHRISTian Music today is NOT CHRISTian. It does NOT testify, praise or sing about the Lord Jesus Christ. In fact, a great deal of it does not even mention the Lord Jesus Christ. Much of today's Christian Music goes out it's way to avoid the name of Jesus Christ ? or any Christian content whatsoever.

We have documented this tragedy many times in our material, but just a few examples.

Amy Grant

"What we're trying to do is take Christian principles and make them understandable. Even if it doesn't say Jesus, it doesn't matter. . ." (Rolling Stone, June 6, 1985 p 10)
Rich Mullins:

"I'm really sick of all this heavy-handed Christianity. Musicians take themselves too seriously. They should have more FUN, and they should stop preaching unless that's what God has called them to. If I want to hear a sermon, I'll go to church, thank you." (CCM magazine, April, 1987, p. 12)
Michael W. Smith

Here's what a secular reporter in the Birmingham News wrote after watching a Michael W. Smith concert:

"If you weren?t familiar with Michael W. Smith?s standing in the world of contemporary Christian music, you might attend one of his concerts and come out none the wiser." (The Birmingham News, Feb. 12, 1993 p. 5c)
Michael W. Smith's album, Change Your World, has 2819 words ? Jesus occurs ? ZERO!
Michael W. Smith's album, I?ll Lead You Home, has 2046 words ? Jesus occurs ? ZERO!
Michael W. Smith's album, Live the Life, has over 1100 words ? Jesus occurs ? you guessed it ? ZERO!

There is NOTHING CHRISTian about Michael W. Smith's music!

Jason Martin of Starflyer 59

"A lot of bands, the reason they get so turned off, is because you have to put the word 'Jesus' in every line. . . That's why so many bands get almost anti-Jesus in their lyrics, even though they're Christians." (HM, Mar/Apr 97 p. 21)
Out of 25 Starflyer 59 songs, over 1400 words, 4 albums ? I could not find the word "God, the word "Lord", I found "Jesus" ONE time in "2nd Space Song" ? with this ridiculous line "counts the sands Jesus in your hands". Jesus in your hands? Who, that believes that Jesus Christ is God Almighty, the Lord of Lords, thinks they've got "Jesus in their hands"!

The Word of God, in John 12:43, has the CCM artists "number". Just like the chief rulers in John 12, the CCMers refuse to confess and praise the Lord Jesus Christ because "they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God".

"42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
43 For they loved the PRAISE OF MEN more than the praise of God." John 12:42-43

Even CCM artist, Michael Card, admits that much of CCM ? is NOT Christian:

"The lyrics of a good number of the songs don?t betray anything specifically Christian ?they may have some moral message, but not a lot of the big songs are identifiably Christian. . . 'What happens to the message when we start getting the music to as many people as possible?' There is an essential part of the gospel that?s not ever going to sell. The gospel is good news, but it is also bad news: 'You are a sinner, and you are hopeless.' How is a multimillion-dollar record company going to take that? That?s a part of the message, too, and if that?s taken out?and it frequently is in Christian music? it ceases to be the gospel." (Can't Buy Me Love, Christianity Today, May 20, 1996, p. 25)
Martin Luther puts it bluntly ? "whoever does NOT want to sing and speak of it shows that he does not believe it".

"We should praise God with both word and music, namely by proclaiming [the Word of God] through music. . .He who believes earnestly cannot be quiet about it. But he must gladly and willingly sing and speak about it so that others may come and hear it. And whoever does NOT want to sing and speak of it shows that he does not believe it." (Don Cusic, The Sound of Light, p. 15)
Most of CCM glorifies man:

And according to the Lord Jesus Christ that is Satan?s goal:

"But he [Jesus] turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, SATAN: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of MEN." Matthew 16:23
According to the Lord Jesus Christ ? Satan?s goal is to uplift man. According to the Lord Jesus Christ ? Satan glorifies and uplifts man!

According to the Lord Jesus Christ the following comments and quotes are satanic:

dc Talk:
Here's how Dallas Morning News, (April 27, 1996) describes a DC Talk "Freak Show" concert:

"As teenagers? shrieks filled the Dallas Convention Center moments before dc Talk took the stage Friday night, one of the relatively few grown-ups in the sold-out crowd observed, ?This is just like the BEATLES.?"
Michael W. Smith
Smith?s concerts are filled with teenage girls who "scream out their affection for him" (not the Lord Jesus Christ). Here?s how Inside Music, Jan/Feb 91, describes a Smith concert:

"His concerts draw hundreds of thousands of fans each year, mostly teenage girls who scream out their AFFECTION FOR HIM non-stop throughout. . . . To his fans, Smith is the absolute greatest there is, BAR NONE . . ."

[Hambone]

Author Josh McDowell says about CCMd`

[Hambone]

A Christian's music is sung to the Lord. It is not for the world.

Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart TO THE LORD; Ephesians 5:19
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts TO THE LORD. Colossians 3:16

Sing praises TO THE LORD, which dwelleth in Zion: declare among the people his doings. Psalm 9:11

Isaiah 12:2 sums it up wonderfully, ". . .for the LORD JEHOVAH is . . . MY SONG . . .":

Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and MY SONG; he also is become my salvation. Isaiah 12:2
CCM artists justify their avoidance of "Jesus" and Christian lyrics by claiming they're using Christian music as a tool for reaching the lost. When used for the purpose of "talking" to the world ? they can justify, saying or not saying anything ? because after all, they're TRYING to reach the lost! But Christian music was NEVER meant for the lost world. The Bible is very clear ? Christian music is "sung unto the Lord" ? not the world!

Not only that ? the vast majority of people purchasing CCM is Christians! It is not the lost world! Rather than reaching the lost [which is wrong in itself] CCM is "preaching" it's "watered-down, anti-Jesus, unCHRISTian, lovey-dovey, non-judgemental, cool, worldly, fleshly, feel-good" message to Christians!

The purpose of Christian music was NEVER meant to evangelize the lost!

God's method of reaching the lost is the preaching of the Word of God.

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of PREACHING to save them that believe. 1 Cor. 1:21
The ONLY way Christian Music can appeal to the world is make it UN-Christian ? which is exactly what CCM does. Most CCM artists "remove" or "redefine" the Lord Jesus Christ. They replace the Lord Jesus Christ with the pronouns; "he", "him", "you", "I", et. al. They also "redefine" the Lord Jesus Christ as a "politically-correct" "tolerant", "lovey-dovey", non-judgemental, "partying", "hip-hop", "rapping-rocker" that appeals to the world. Songs such as, dc Talk?s "Jesus Freak", Messiah Prophet Band's, "Master of the Metal", et al. clearly describe "another Jesus" than the Jesus Christ of the Bible. In 2 Cor. 11:4, the apostle Paul warns of "another Jesus".

Just as the lost world is not interested in a "Bible-believing" church that preaches the word of God, the world is not interested in music that openly praises the Lord. The lost world is NOT going to praise the Lord Jesus Christ. The Bible is CLEAR ? "the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God"!

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. (1 Corinthians. 2:14)
Christian music is NOT for the world ? it is for the Lord! If it is FRIENDLY to the world then according to the Word of God it is AGAINST the Lord!

". . . know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a FRIEND of the world is the ENEMY of God." James 4:4
After Babylon captured the children of Israel, Babylon requested Israel to sing, but Israel refused to sing "the Lord's song in a strange land". Notice, it is "the Lord's song" ? NOT the world's song or even Israel's song.

1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
2 We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof.
3 For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion.
4 How shall we sing the LORD'S SONG in a strange land? Psalms 137:1-4
Christian music is for the Lord ? NOT the world.

[Hambone]

During my Bible reading this morining, I came across these verses and thought,"How fitting."

Matthew 7:20-23 (Jesus speaking):

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

What is the biggest argument in support of CCM? Christian words. "We put the name of Jesus in our songs...." ...AND IN THY NAME DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS?

I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.

[kevinmiller]

CCM artist, Michael Card, admits this glorifying of man in CCM:

"Now, the industry is celebrity-driven. The song is almost irrelevant.The focus is on the PERSON, and songs have become disposable." (Can't Buy Me Ministry, Christianity Today, May 20, 1996 (p. 22)

I don't think this was an "admission" by Card as much as citing a common problem that is plaguing the "industry." That is a problem that should be dealt with, but the problem isn't the music, the problem is that a ministry has become a business. If you notice the title, it would seem like that's what he was talking about. It also didn't quote the context.

Based on what I know about Michael Card, I very much doubt that he doesn't care about the song. If you listen to his live album "Scribbling in the Sand," you can easily see that he very much cares about what he's singing and Who he's singing about. Not to mention, he writes a lot of his own songs and half of them or better don't have drums anyhow.

Since your whole post was about the glorification of the singer and that being evidence that CCM is bad, might I remind you that a LOT of fundamentalists worship their "great" pastors. Therefore, since Jack Hyles and Curtis Hutson and Peter Ruckman are worshipped by many of their followers, everything they teach must be bad, right?

I think it is interesting that you mentioned(or rather copied) that people clamor to get the musicians autographs when I clearly remember long lines of people at the Sword Conferences clamoring to get the autographs of their favorite preacher. Who's Bible is it, anyway?

[kevinmiller]

During my Bible reading this morining, I came across these verses and thought,"How fitting."

Matthew 7:20-23 (Jesus speaking):

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

What is the biggest argument in support of CCM? Christian words. "We put the name of Jesus in our songs...." ...AND IN THY NAME DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS?

I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.

This line of reasoning only works under the assumption that CCM is bad to begin with. Just like if I though that John R. Rice was an ungodly man, I could say the same thing. "Just because he claimed the name of Christ in his sermons doesn't mean that he was saved."

[kevinmiller]

Most of your other posts were just stabbing in the wind. It's typical anti-CCM rhetoric, singling out a few not-very-Christian artists(Michael W. Smith and Amy Grant are always used as examples) and pretending like they represent all CCM. It focuses on the fact that these artists don't really care about a ministry and don't truly praise God in their lyrics. They never address the music itself, not in Scriptural terms, anyway. They just make a vague connection between the music and those artists who are in it for the fame and money. That's leaving out good artists like Michael Card and Casting Crowns and even many MercyMe songs where the entire focus of every song is to praise God and talk about His character. Artists who see their music as a ministry are completely ignored.

[John81]

Again we come back to the problem of too much being broadly labeled as CCM. Is a Christian song that's been written in the last 100 years automatically CCM? Do songs by the Getty's really belong in the same category as songs by Toby Mac?

CCM, as an industry, has been taken over by profiteers just like Southern Gospel and Country music have been. In each of these cases (not saying all of these were once perfect and wholesome) once the outsiders took over major changes occured and all for the sake of money.

Some artists in each of these categories have willingly sold out to the new handlers in those industries. Some have fought this and unless they already had a sizable fan base they have been squeezed out of the "mainstream" of these industries. Naturally, under such conditions many who otherwise wouldn't even be considered in these categories come running for the sake of money. Groups that once wouldn't have been considered country or Southern Gospel (for example) are now welcomed with open arms because they can draw crowds and generate money.

All that said, there are still contemporary artists and groups out there who put forth Christ honoring music regardless of what category their music gets lumped into.

[tired]

[Guest Guest]

Do songs by the Getty's really belong in the same category as songs by Toby Mac?

No, sir. Toby Mac is a premier recording artist. I love his latest, though...

*I don't wanna gain the whole world and lose my soul...* :thumb

[Hambone]

This line of reasoning only works under the assumption that CCM is bad to begin with. Just like if I though that John R. Rice was an ungodly man' date=' I could say the same thing. "Just because he claimed the name of Christ in his sermons doesn't mean that he was saved."[/quote']

Your line of reasoning works except for "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."

Shall we compare the fruits of John R. Rice and ANY CCM artists of today? No comparison.


Another thing that bothers me about "Christian" rock is the origin of rock music. Rock music didn't originate in the church. Rock musicians didn't take Christian music and tweak it into a new style of music. Rock is wholly and completely a product of the world: the same world we are COMMANDED to be separated from.
Rock music targets the physical man, the flesh. Christians are supposed to resist the urges of the flesh. We are at war with it continually. Why would someone fighting a war provide ammunition to their enemy?

When someone is truly born again, the Bible says the Lord puts a NEW song in their mouth. Not the same song with different words.

The fact of the matter is Rock music is FLESH. You can label it "Christian" all you want to, but that doesn't change its nature--it is still flesh. It's like taking strychnine (rock music) and adding sweet chocolate (Christian words, Jesus) to it. You can eat if you want to, but I'll just take the chocolate I know to be pure.

[Hambone]

If rock music was NOT fleshly ? the lost world would not "love" it! The Bible is very clear ? the "natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God. . . neither can he know them." ! If rock music was SPIRITUAL ? the world would "hate" it! If Jars of Clay, Amy Grant, Michael W. Smith, dc Talk, et al had any real spiritual message, MTV, Billboard, VH-1, would NOT "receive" their songs and videos! They would NOT praise and play their music! Not according to God in 1 Corinthians 2:14!

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14

As I said before, if it is attractive to the world, it is probably not God pleasing. The Gospel is not pleasing to the world. Who wants to give up living however they want to? Who wants to repent from their worldly ways. Where in the Bible did Jesus, the Apostles, or even the prophets of old water down the message of God to be more suitable to the world in order to attract the world? If a person doesn't want to accept God for who He is, God isn't going to change for that person. God and His message won't become world-like to attract the sons of the devil.

[Hambone]

Why aren't we arguing over whether or not "Amazing Grace" is pleasing to God?

Why aren't we arguing over whether or not "Love Lifted Me" is pleasing to God?

Why aren't we arguing over whether or not "Victory in Jesus" is pleasing to God?

Why aren't we arguing over whether or not "He Lives" is pleasing to God?

Why aren't we arguing over whether or not "It Is Well With My Sould" is pleasing to God?


Why is there no thread titled "What's wrong with the songs in the Hymn book?"

The fact that CCM is even questionable is enough for me to stick to the tried and true music of our ancestors. We sang a sond written by Martin Luther in 1524 this Sunday in Church. While the IFBC doesn't promote all Martin Luther stood for, I can guarantee you that the songs he wrote from his experiences under true persecution are more pleasing to God than any CCM artists' songs.

Music is Satan's specialty. If someone started singing "All Praise to Thee Eternal God" acapella at an MTV Awards show, or singing "The Altar and the Door"--which one would get the crowd going? To be honest, I don't know much about Casting Crowns. My brother in law says some of their music sounds like a rock band he used to listen to called Nickleback (with Christian words, of course).

In my opinion, if you want to listen to Rock music, listen to the real thing. Don't drag the name of my Lord and Saviour through the worldly mud of rock music. If you're going to be semi-worldly, you might as well go all the way without blaspheming the name of Christ by speaking (or singing) His name with rock music as the backdrop.

[Hambone]

God is a SPIRIT.

"God is a SPIRIT: and they that worship him must worship him in SPIRIT and in truth." John 4:24

"Now the Lord is that SPIRIT:. . ." 2 Cor 3:17

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the FLESH, but after the SPIRIT." Romans 8:1

God's salvation and methods are SPIRIT.

"It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth; the FLESH profiteth nothing:. . ." John 6:64

"Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his SPIRIT." 1 John 4:13

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the SPIRIT, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." John 3:5

"But God hath revealed them unto us by his SPIRIT:. . ." 1 Cor. 2:10

God's music is spiritual not fleshly.

". . . I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also."(1 Cor. 14:15)
" . . . be filled with the Spirit; Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; Ephesians 5:18-19
"Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord." Colossians 3:16
The SPIRIT and the FLESH are contrary, opposite, enemies.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Romans 8:5-8

"For the FLESH lusteth against the SPIRIT, and the SPIRIT against the FLESH: and these are contrary the one to the other:. . ." Galatians 5: 16

"For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the FLESH." Philippians 3:3

God is against the FLESH.

Not only is the SPIRIT contrary to the FLESH, but God is AGAINST the FLESH.

"So then they that are in the FLESH cannot please God." Romans 8:8

"That no FLESH should glory in his presence." 1 Cor. 1:29

"And they that are Christ's have crucified the FLESH with the affections and lusts." Galatians 5:24

So let's add this up . . .

Rock music (any rock music) is FLESH
God is SPIRIT.
God's salvation and methods are SPIRIT.
The SPIRIT and the FLESH are contrary, opposite.
God is against the FLESH.
How can anyone, who understands simple Bible verses, honestly "justify" rock music as a "tool for reaching people" for Jesus Christ? How can the "seeds" of FLESH grow "fruits" of the SPIRIT?

THEY CANNOT . . . IT IS NOT POSSIBLE!

Here's the testimony of Lowell Hart, a former rock musician:

"Rock, rhythm and blues, jazz, pop tunes, Bossa Nova, etc. are all products of the world. These [CCM] musicians are taking the fleshly and are saying, in effect, 'We are going to appeal to the spiritual.' It cannot be done. It is neither logical nor scriptural. This is typical of the contemporary Christian music approach today."

And ANYONE who thinks they can "sow" to the FLESH and "reap" SPIRITUAL fruits according to God - they are DECEIVED! According to God ? a Christian who claims they are using "flesh" [rock music] to bring forth "spiritual" [new birth, salvation] ? they are "MOCKING GOD" ? and calling God a LIAR, according to Galatians 6:7.8! Read it!

Be not DECEIVED God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his FLESH of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the SPIRIT of the Spirit reap life everlasting. Galatians 6:7,8
Could God possibly make it plainer? Only a disobedient, carnal, backslidde, Christian who will NOT submit to the word of God would justify fleshly, rock music as a "tool" to bring forth the spiritual, new-birth! It is NOT possible!

And ANYONE who thinks they can "sow" to the FLESH and "reap" SPIRITUAL fruits according to God - they are deceived!

"Be not DECEIVED God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his FLESH of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the SPIRIT of the Spirit reap life everlasting." Galatians 6:7,8

The Lord says in Romans 13:14 - "make not provision for the flesh".

"But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof." Romans 13:14

And yet, CCM takes just the opposite approach! They "parade" and "flaunt" the flesh ? and "make not provision for the Lord Jesus Christ". Their dress, their long hair, their earrings on males, their "hip" speech, their album covers, their videos ? nearly everything about CCM ? copies, imitates and glorifies the FLESH.

The apostle Paul, addresses this "FLESH = SPIRITUAL" error in Galatians:

"Are ye so foolish? having begun in the SPIRIT, are ye now made perfect by the FLESH?" Galatians 3:3

2 Peter 2 warns against "false prophets . . .who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even DENYING THE LORD [as CCM does] that bought them" ? and verse 18 gives their "bait" ? EXACTLY AS CCM ? "they allure through the LUSTS of the FLESH"!

For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the FLESH, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 2 Peter 2:18


I AM BACKING MY VIEWS WITH THE WORD OF GOD. IF ANYONE CAN SHOW ME IN THE WORD OF GOD, SCRIPTURES PLEASE, THAT ROCK MUSIC IS SOMEHOW PLEASING TO GOD AND THE FLESH PLEASE DO.

[John81]

No, sir. Toby Mac is a premier recording artist. I love his latest, though...

*I don't wanna gain the whole world and lose my soul...* :thumb

Well, the actual point being that their styles and music is so very different yet these and so many other varied artists are lumped together under this huge umbrella known as CCM.