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  1. "For instance, consider an apple tree: it doesn't bear apples to become an apple tree; neither does it bear apples to stay an apple tree. It bears apples because God made it an apple tree. Just the same with a true Christian; he doesn't strive to live holy or do good works to get saved, or stay saved. He does it BECAUSE GOD HAS SAVED HIM AND LIVES IN HIM! It has become part of his nature. "For it is God which worketh in you to will and to do of his good pleasure." (Phil. 2:13)" :clap:
  2. No problem. I figured that you may have thought that, that's why I didn't get defensive. I appreciate your help.
  3. Thank you. I didn't intend on worshipping on Saturday. I knew there must be a good Biblical reason, and you have just given that to me. Thank you.
  4. I agree with your thoughts, but this verse stood out to me. Very scary when you apply it to the state of our nation and its constant rejection of God...
  5. I'm not saying Christians are going to escape persecution. The ones you mention, had they taken a stand for Christ, would have been given the strength they needed to endure their persecution as others were. Many didn't have a choice as their villages were raided, men, women, and children were tied into "balls" and rolled down mountainsides. I don't know what the mark is, but Revelation clearly state a person is given a choice--they are not forced to take it. This isn't something you can recant for the sake of saving your life. If you reject the mark, you will be killed or you will poss
  6. Jesus, in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24:3-31), outlines the sequence of events in the last days relative to the church. Verses 3-14 parallel Revelation chapter 6 and depict those events from the beginning of the 70th week to the rapture. Then, in verses 15-28, He focuses on the middle time period of that future week (the final 7 years) and emphasizes two key events: (a) a time of great persecution, and ( the "cut[ting] short" of "those days" of persecution for "the sake of the elect". Finally, in verses 29-31, He highlights what it is that will "cut short" that persecution, the rescue of th
  7. Quote: "Wasn't Stephen martyred after the Holy Spirit was given? Post-trib martyrdom won't have the Holy Spirit to help them. Isn't this scripture dealing with no Spirit martyrdom: 2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way" Wasn't John the Baptist martyred BEFORE the Holy Spirit was given? I don't believe the church or Spirit is gone after Rev. 4 as many do. This belief only stems from the word "church" not being used. There are lots of words not used for long periods of time in the Bible. I
  8. 'A Conservative History of the American Left' 'To Train Up A Child' 'The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin' Depends on what kinda mood I'm in when I go to bed, which is the only time I get to read other books--morning is Bible only.
  9. If you are a Christian, you won't take the mark. Just as God gave our early church fathers and mothers the strength to sing hymns as they were burned at the stake, He will give martyrs in our time the power to withstand the devil/anti-Christ. I stated before, I think it is good to be prepared for the possibility of enduring at least part of the tribulation. I'm not discarding pre-trib completely, but I find more biblical evidence supporting otherwise, and that is why I lean that way. If I'm wrong, PRAISE GOD!!!!!!!!! If I'm not, I feel sorry for millions of Christians, especially pastors
  10. He was speaking to His disciples who were alive and present at the time and wanted to know when all these things should come to pass, just as anyone would. The early church expected the tribulation, and many believed they were living through it. Today, Ameiricanized-Christianity has taken a relatively new idea (that of pre-tribulation rapture) and made it a cornerstone doctrine in many circles. I have traveled the world. I've been to over thirty different countries in the last ten years as a DoD employee. I can say as an eyewitness, that Christians in other, poorer, parts of the wor
  11. John81 said: "Since Scripture doesn't give a clear, 100% statement that there will absolutely be a pre-trib Rapture, I do believe it's wise to be alert to what's going on. I've studied the end-times/Rapture the best I can and while I do believe the pre-trib Rapture seems likely, I've yet to encounter an iron-clad case for this. All things bear watching, we know the devil is continually prowling around." I fear that if we are to go through the tribulation, so many who have based their lives on "oh, well, I'm not going to be here for that anyway..." are going to be caught so off guard, th
  12. I'm glad you were willing to take the rocks on that one. I've always questioned the "get out of tribulation free card".
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