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Hi everyone. What is so wrong with Christian Contemporary Music and Christian Rock? I listen to both on a regular basis. I guess I just don't understand why Christian Rock and Christian Contemporary Music is frowned upon at this board.

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There are lots of threads that you can look at concerning this issue--really, it is a very touchy subject. Christian music should be focusing on the Lord, and is to be pleasing to the Lord according as it is written HIS WORD. The end. CCM and Christian rock do neither of these. There should be no bias because the facts are black and white.

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There are lots of threads that you can look at concerning this issue--really' date=' it is a very touchy subject. Christian music should be focusing on the Lord, and is to be pleasing to the Lord according as it is written HIS WORD. The end. CCM and Christian rock do neither of these. There should be no bias because the facts are black and white.[/quote']

Hmmm ok. The music I listen to does focus on the Lord though. Maybe I am not listening to the kind of music that is condemned by these forums.

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Christian and rock and roll are complete opposites you cannot combine the two. Rock and roll was give that name because of the movement of the cars out on the makeout spots while they listened to this music. I don't believe that Christ would want to be associated with that, or Christians should not be asociated with it either, Music that promotes the movements and girations that go along with rock and CCM is wrong because people listen to it more for the tune, beat and pleasure that it gives them than they do for worship of God. Not to mention the lust that these movements stir.

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Much has been written on this topic from both "camps". At present time, the best book I can recommend on this subject is "Measuring the Music, Another Look at the Contemporary Christian Music Debate" by John Makujina published by Old Paths Publications ;1 Bittersweet Path, Willow Street, Pa 17584, USA. It is a more recent work than "Music in the Balance" by Frank Garlock. Whether a person has any, little, or much music background or training - this is a book that I recommend every Christian own. It deals with all 4 components of music (lyrics, melody, harmony, rythym) individually and sees how they apply to God honoring music.

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Hi everyone. What is so wrong with Christian Contemporary Music and Christian Rock? I listen to both on a regular basis. I guess I just don't understand why Christian Rock and Christian Contemporary Music is frowned upon at this board.



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BaptistGirl, I'm not so sure that your question is quite appropriate. This topic is a very sensitive issue, and I suggest that you take note and leave it there. There are many Christians that listen to music that is quite dishonouring to the Lord, and it generally indicates spiritual weakness and/or Biblical ignorance. There is no way that you can glorify God except by how it is described in His Word. There are many resources available to find out WHY this kind of music is ungodly, and I suggest that instead of asking questions here, find out by the many free resources available elsewhere (if you need to know where you can find more information, just ask--I haven't got the links in my bookmarks, but I'm sure that someone has ;)

To debate about music is a bad idea.

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Whether a topic is "sensitive" or not shouldn't matter. If a Christian brother or sister has a sincere question, whether it be about music, dress style, hair length, sex or whatever other "sensitive" topic there might be, they deserve sincere, kind answers.

One problem with this topic today is that such a large variety of music styles and performers are lumped into overly broad categories. Too much is lumped into the CCM category for one to be able to give a blanket statement about all CCM. The same is true of Southern Gospel these days.

I'm really not up to date at all with CCM but I do know there are vast differences between a song like "Thy Word" which Amy Grant recorded decades ago and some of the rap stuff or thrash stuff that calls itself Christian and falls into the CCM category as well.

I've heard a few CCM songs that are very God honouring and I've heard many more that I have no idea why they are even called Christian.

Not everyone on this board is 100% anti-CCM. There are actually many members who listen to a few select CCM songs or artists while avoiding the rest. And there are also those here who are 100% anti-CCM.

Discernment is required when dealing with what music we listen to. Does it truly honour God? Does the music appeal to our fleshly nature wrongly? Does the music draw us toward worldly music or away from worldly music? Are the lyrics biblically accurate? Would you be ashamed or concerned about the music you are listening to if Jesus suddenly were standing there with you or would you be pleased with what He found you listening to? If others can hear your music is it obvious to them that your music is not of the world or would they think you were listening to worldly music?

These are a few things to consider.

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I agree with you, John, I agree. Personally, I would be happy to talk about music, but I fear that some people might 'explode' over the topic as there are in previous threads. I'm just a little paranoid I guess :Bleh

Oh yea, I'll add one important thing to your discernment list :wink "What is the song about?/Who is it talking about." A lot of old fashioned hymns that have made it faithful throughout the ages are focusing attention on God or one of His attributes. :smile

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Those who can't keep from "exploding" on this topic, or any topic really, should excuse themselves from participating.

There are issues which tend to really hit a nerve with each of us. If we can walk in the Spirit even while discussing such that's wonderful! However, if our flesh rises up and allows the nerve to lead us into "explosive" postings, then we should excuse ourselves and spend some time in prayer over the issue.

Excellent point about "What is the song about?/Who is it talking about."

Some CCM songs I've heard were so vague that the song could be about anyone or anything.

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I agree 100% John :goodpost:

With my whole heart I would like to put myself aside and just help others find the truth, and that in Christ.

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Could you all maybe recommend some websites that discuss the issue of Christian Contemporary Music and Christian Rock more? That would be really helpful.

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I did find some MP3 sermons by David Cloud that cover some topics?? Will that help?

http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?SpeakerOnly=true&currSection=sermonsspeaker&keyword=David%5ECloud

I like a lot of what he has to say (I haven't heard EVERYTHING, but I liked most of what I heard, I don't believe that he will lead anyone astray.) There are many things he covers nicely. They are MP3s and should be easy to download and play :smile

As for web sites... I got an idea, but I really don't have the time to review them.

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Here is an article By Brother Cloud where it is all written out. http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/why-doyou-condemn-allCCM.html
I think he did an exceptional job with it. Also if you can get your hands on his dvd concerning this topic I would highly recommend it.

Here is a listing of all the articles he has written concerning the topic of music:
http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/fbns-index/musicfbns.htm

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Baptistgirl02 I recommend the book Why I left the Christian Contempary Movement book. I haven't read it myself however I heard great things about it. This will get you insight of why we are against CCM and Christian rock. To me I am more against Christian Rock then CCM however both shouldn't be part of a Church. I do want to adimit there are some songs I do like on Christian Contempary music however, I love the old fashioned hymns and people that sings for Spirit of the Lord rather then the Flesh.

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Baptistgirl02 I recommend the book Why I left the Christian Contempary Movement book. I haven't read it myself however I heard great things about it. This will get you insight of why we are against CCM and Christian rock. To me I am more against Christian Rock then CCM however both shouldn't be part of a Church. I do want to adimit there are some songs I do like on Christian Contempary music however' date=' I love the old fashioned hymns and people that sings for Spirit of the Lord rather then the Flesh. [/b']


Dan Lucarini is a good author, no doubt, but his book is full of holes. Seriously, if you want his opinion on why he left (which is the title and premise of his book) it is a good read. You will not, however, find any Biblically condemnatory statements that outright condemn CCM. He wrote the book to give his opinion, not for it to be the touted flagship in the never-ceasing battle of extra-Biblical opinion.

There, I've said a mouthful, and it is also my opinion. I have no wish to debate it. :)

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Whether a topic is "sensitive" or not shouldn't matter. If a Christian brother or sister has a sincere question, whether it be about music, dress style, hair length, sex or whatever other "sensitive" topic there might be, they deserve sincere, kind answers.

One problem with this topic today is that such a large variety of music styles and performers are lumped into overly broad categories. Too much is lumped into the CCM category for one to be able to give a blanket statement about all CCM. The same is true of Southern Gospel these days.

I'm really not up to date at all with CCM but I do know there are vast differences between a song like "Thy Word" which Amy Grant recorded decades ago and some of the rap stuff or thrash stuff that calls itself Christian and falls into the CCM category as well.

I've heard a few CCM songs that are very God honouring and I've heard many more that I have no idea why they are even called Christian.

Not everyone on this board is 100% anti-CCM. There are actually many members who listen to a few select CCM songs or artists while avoiding the rest. And there are also those here who are 100% anti-CCM.

Discernment is required when dealing with what music we listen to. Does it truly honour God? Does the music appeal to our fleshly nature wrongly? Does the music draw us toward worldly music or away from worldly music? Are the lyrics biblically accurate? Would you be ashamed or concerned about the music you are listening to if Jesus suddenly were standing there with you or would you be pleased with what He found you listening to? If others can hear your music is it obvious to them that your music is not of the world or would they think you were listening to worldly music?

These are a few things to consider.


:amen: Very well said, John. :goodpost:

I Peter 2:17...Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king. KJV 1611 AV.

candlelight

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To answer the orginal question, there is nothing wrong with Christian rock. The way to judge any song is the lyrics and what the song is trying to say.

[quote]Could you all maybe recommend some websites that discuss the issue of Christian Contemporary Music and Christian Rock more? That would be really helpful.[/quote]

Here are two websites you can look over.

http://www.mindspring.com/~brucec/apol.htm

http://members.tripod.com/Pirate_Boy_Arrr/shred/

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It all comes down to whether someone believes Rock as a medium is wrong. If so, "Christian" rock is wrong in itself. Then you add the lyrics, lifestyles, beliefs and associations of the artists and you have much to critique about CCM.

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The problem comes from varying definitions. Does "rock" mean load beat and lots of electric guitar? Does "contemporary" mean in the style of current popular music? Why is it those who seem the most opposed to Christian Rock music like listening to "Gospel" music that sounds exactly like contemporary country western music?

A musical genre typically reflects a spetrum of emotions. Classical music was designed to reflect emotions from peace, joy, excitement and even fear. Rock music was designed to reflect excitement and sometimes anger. If the genre chosen supports the message and the message is good (and understandable--something many wanna-be christian musicians fail to comprehend) then it glorifies God.

I once illustrated how dangerous it is to overgeneralize about music, to a class at church. I played the intro to two songs: The first piano and organ in a very churchy style, the second electric guitar in a semi-hard rock style. I asked which one glorified God. They all agreed the first did. I then played the first song--Everybody's Got a Dream by Billy Joel. I read the lyrics so they wouldn't miss it. The song was about the dreams people have to help them cope with life. The music delivered the not so subtle message that Church was jothing but a fantasy, weak people dream because they can't cope with reality.

The second song was Satan Just Leave Me Alone by David Meece. The message of the song was angry and the music reflected that.

After listing to boths songs, and understanding the message of both songs, they all, unanimously agreed the one they assumed glorified God, was an evil song that did the opposite, and the one they thought was worldly had a good message.

Another song that I've not listened to in a long time, but illustrates a proper use of the rock genre would be Russ Taff's I'm Goin' down to the River. The music reflects the strength of will of a man going to the river to be baptized.

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Just because the lyrics may be "good" doesn't make the genre of Rock good. It is evil, regardless of the lyrics. Oftentimes the lyrics just make it twice as evil.

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My church really opposed CCM, i am so glad most of us here arent into that kind of music. I still have to learn more about the issue so that I can explain it clearly to others...i will be reading more of this topic here. God bless...

Jen

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As someone who came from the "dark side" of the fence, I can say without a doubt that the CCM arena is for the majority, a money market for Satan; as well as a very influencial tool he is using to destroy countless lives. If one will do a study of the lives and "testimonies" of those "sartist" there will be no question in the mind of the Believer as to what they represent.

I used to listen to the "hardcore" music when I was lost. I never was able to decifer the words to many of the poisionous garbage i allowed to enter into my ears. I was only listening for the 'music' and the feeling it gave me. Some say the music itself is not 'influencial' - baloney! I've been there, I know.
The CCM industry[yes, I said industry] lets "whosoever will" come and be a part of their flesh feast. I have not run across one solid Biblical testimony from these modern artist who call themselves "Christian"

Many of them have sites that promote the flesh, and most often will not mention anything Biblical; let alone contain a good testimony. The music CCM promotes is sensual, fleshly, and can be compared identical to that of the secular style and sound. "It's the words, it's the words that are different!" Notice the contemporary crowd, when their "singers" perform, what is the first thing you notice? The flesh is exalted, and lust is honored.
Sad thing is (and yes, this rant is almost over) our fundamental churches are doing the same thing!

Things I've noticed are the applause of men, and no praise to God. Seems it's more important that one has talent, than the heartfelt thanksgiving unto the Lord.

The same sounds coming from 'fundamental' churches, that are coming from the carnal christian crowd church.The swooning and swaying of the flesh, it is really sad I tell you.


Since when are we told to let compassion over-rule the Bible. What part of "love not the world.." don't they understand?


okee dokee, rant over, I'm going for some ice-cream and cherry cobbler :thumb

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Just because the lyrics may be "good" doesn't make the genre of Rock good. It is evil' date=' regardless of the lyrics. Oftentimes the lyrics just make it twice as evil.[/quote']
So, then would that also mean "gospel" music, which is nothing but country western music with christian sounding lyrics, just as evil. Or is there a double standard.

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