Covid Thread (Covid topics are merged in here)

[Razor]

1 hour ago, Napsterdad said:

And yet if that same patient had COVID at the time they would likely have listed COVID as the cause of death, not the Cancer which actually ate through the artery. The cancer did kill that patient by eating through the artery. 

But the direct cause of death was loss of blood. So, it is a gray area.

1 hour ago, Napsterdad said:

And yet if that same patient had COVID at the time they would likely have listed COVID as the cause of death, not the Cancer which actually ate through the artery. The cancer did kill that patient by eating through the artery. 

And if that person had had flu the cause of death would have been flu. The point is a much higher percentage of unvaccinated people die than of vaccinated. 

[Napsterdad]

1 hour ago, Razor said:

But the direct cause of death was loss of blood. So, it is a gray area.

And if that person had had flu the cause of death would have been flu. The point is a much higher percentage of unvaccinated people die than of vaccinated. 

The fact is, (in the case of where the cancer ate through the artery; your words) is that the loss of blood was directly instigated by the cancer eating through the artery. My point is that had the patient had COVID, COVID would likely have been listed as the cause, when in fact it would have had absolutely nothing to do with the death at all; the cancer did. It's about as gray as a Caribbean Sunset on a clear day. I put the clear day in there because I believe you would likely have said something about clouds.

And since we are going with inane arguments here, the actual cause of all death is cerebral hypoxia or cerebral ischemia (or lack of oxygen to the brain). By your standard most all causes of death on all death certificates are in the gray area.

As to your second point I don't recall there ever being an issue before of anyone dying of some significant malady (Cancer, organ failure, etc.) having been listed as dying of the flu (if they had it). It is only since COVID that we have started seeing this in abundance. 

The other FACT that has been repeated in this thread multiple times is that the powers that be are NOT honestly or thoroughly giving all the salient data with regards to this virus for the purpose of pushing forward their own agenda. When Fauci and everyone else involved start being completely transparent on this and give ALL the data perhaps you'll see less reticence to get the vaccine. More likely you'll see less NEED for the vaccine.

Tangentially, it would be nice to find out just exactly how deep Fauci was/is linked up with the Wuhan lab. It would also be nice to see how deeply invested he and his cronies are in the pharmaceutical companies. 

 

[BrotherTony]

A new "vaccine" (shot) is being proposed and the manufacturer is seeking EUA for it to try and draw in holdouts against the mRNA shots...The thing that gets me is that the piece continues to press the lie that these SHOTS are safe and effective in preventing severe illness and death. Strange, but there are MANY who have had all of the shots, including boosters, and are still dying and suffering severe illness. I still would not be open to taking anything that is proposed for a virus that has a 99+% recovery rate.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/novavax-could-offer-unvaccinated-americans-a-new-option-if-fda-agrees/ar-AATl6Yu?ocid=chromentpnews

[SureWord]

2 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

A new "vaccine" (shot) is being proposed and the manufacturer is seeking EUA for it to try and draw in holdouts against the mRNA shots...The thing that gets me is that the piece continues to press the lie that these SHOTS are safe and effective in preventing severe illness and death. Strange, but there are MANY who have had all of the shots, including boosters, and are still dying and suffering severe illness. I still would not be open to taking anything that is proposed for a virus that has a 99+% recovery rate.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/novavax-could-offer-unvaccinated-americans-a-new-option-if-fda-agrees/ar-AATl6Yu?ocid=chromentpnews

I posted about this vac a while back. There's no aborted babies used in the process of making this vaccine which is no doubt why many refuse the mNRA vax.

[BrotherTony]

1 hour ago, SureWord said:

I posted about this vac a while back. There's no aborted babies used in the process of making this vaccine which is no doubt why many refuse the mNRA vax.

Yes, we know there's no aborted babies used in this process. For many it is indeed a reason...for others, it is a FOUNDED mistrust of the government and will always continue to be so. If they're still having to push even this particular shot so hard, there's something wrong. Bribery, threats, force are reason enough NOT to get the shot, let alone the recovery rate.

[wretched]

You just can't make this stuff up brothers and sisters, 2 Peter and Jude playing out in front of our eyes. 

[BrotherTony]

7 hours ago, wretched said:

You just can't make this stuff up brothers and sisters, 2 Peter and Jude playing out in front of our eyes. 

This man hasn't got a clue about what's truly going on....a blatant lie from another know-nothing politician.

Edited February 2, 2022 by BrotherTony

[Pastor Matt]

On 1/31/2022 at 7:40 AM, Razor said:

And far fewer who have had the vaccine die than those who have not been vaccinated. 

Again, how much fewer, and what is the percentage of them that died of covid and those with covid? 

Also, what percentage of those that died would have died anyways? All this information is needed to come up with logical and scientific statistics. 

Thank you for your time. 

[Razor]

16 minutes ago, PastorMatt said:

Again, how much fewer, and what is the percentage of them that died of covid and those with covid? 

Also, what percentage of those that died would have died anyways? All this information is needed to come up with logical and scientific statistics. 

Thank you for your time. 

I suggest you research the topic to find answers to your questions. 

[Pastor Matt]

31 minutes ago, Razor said:

I suggest you research the topic to find answers to your questions. 

My apologies, my reasoning for asking was because you made the statement and I wanted to know more about the stat you mentioned. 

Is it safe to assume you are mention stats as a reply to others without knowing all the details of the stats?  

[Pastor Matt]

I ask because the research I'm doing is not what I'm seeing you quote.  There needs to be a separation of of Deaths with Covid and of Covid. 

Like I mentioned before, the stat you quoted is as general as me saying don't go a hospital because 99% of Covid patience die at the hospital.

While the stat the most covid patience die while at the hospital is true, it does not give one the whole story.  All I'm asking for is the rest of the story. 

[Razor]

7 minutes ago, PastorMatt said:

I ask because the research I'm doing is not what I'm seeing you quote.  There needs to be a separation of of Deaths with Covid and of Covid. 

Like I mentioned before, the stat you quoted is as general as me saying don't go a hospital because 99% of Covid patience die at the hospital.

While the stat the most covid patience die while at the hospital is true, it does not give one the whole story.  All I'm asking for is the rest of the story. 

I have no idea how that stat would be determined. Perhaps the American Medical Association can answer your question. As I said in another posting, cancer is often attributed to the death of a person, but cancer is not the direct cause of the death. You question seems to me to be the same question that could be asked of cancer or probably a whole host of other diseases. 

[Pastor Matt]

10 minutes ago, Razor said:

I have no idea how that stat would be determined. Perhaps the American Medical Association can answer your question. As I said in another posting, cancer is often attributed to the death of a person, but cancer is not the direct cause of the death. You question seems to me to be the same question that could be asked of cancer or probably a whole host of other diseases. 

Thank you for the reply. I also have questions about cancer, but the difference I see is that with cancer I am not being forced to be vaccinated from cancer to work, enter restaurants, go to sporting events, and forced to live stream church services. It's basically my decision how to live when coming to cancer. I'd feel the same way if the government try to mandate things with cancer. 

My response was in direct response to you quoting that unvaccinated are more likely to die. I was just wanting more information on your stat. If you ever get the full information on the stats you keep quoting, I'll be here to study them. thank you for your time. 

BTW, it would be easy to determine the stats I mentioned, by hospitals filling out the death certificated appropriately. 

I personally know too many people who went down as covid deaths, when it was 100% not covid...like car accidents.  How is it hard to determine that stat? 

[Razor]

54 minutes ago, PastorMatt said:

Thank you for the reply. I also have questions about cancer, but the difference I see is that with cancer I am not being forced to be vaccinated from cancer to work, enter restaurants, go to sporting events, and forced to live stream church services. It's basically my decision how to live when coming to cancer. I'd feel the same way if the government try to mandate things with cancer. 

My response was in direct response to you quoting that unvaccinated are more likely to die. I was just wanting more information on your stat. If you ever get the full information on the stats you keep quoting, I'll be here to study them. thank you for your time. 

BTW, it would be easy to determine the stats I mentioned, by hospitals filling out the death certificated appropriately. 

I personally know too many people who went down as covid deaths, when it was 100% not covid...like car accidents.  How is it hard to determine that stat? 

I believe social media has mislead many in this are by people posting false information. I do not know about others but if I read a claim that defies that which is to me common sense I take it with a large grain of salt. I follow that up with research to determine if there is any veracity to the claim. I had not seen reports on deaths from car accidents being reported as COVID deaths. To me that defined commonsense. It seems that these reports are false information.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/social-media-posts-make-baseless-claim-on-covid-19-death-toll/

No, COVID-19 deaths are not being inflated by car crash deaths

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/covid-deaths-car-crash-comorbidities-coronavirus-death-total-counts-john-hopkins-study/65-e3842ed2-f753-4a15-8b97-c2ae75c2b2ce

Whether those who have died from a car accident with COVID-19 will be counted in ONS statistics

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/whetherthosewhohavediedfromacaraccidentwithcovid19willbecountedinonsstatistics?:uri=aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/whetherthosewhohavediedfromacaraccidentwithcovid19willbecountedinonsstatistics

I know there are people on the board who will ridicule these sources with their opinions. If they cannot back up their opinions with credible sources I give them no credence. 

 

 

Edited February 3, 2022 by Razor

[BrotherTony]

15 minutes ago, Razor said:

I believe social media has mislead many in this are by people posting false information. I do not know about others but if I read a claim that defies that which is to me common sense I take it with a large grain of salt. I follow that up with research to determine if there is any veracity to the claim. I had not seen reports on deaths from car accidents being reported as COVID deaths. To me that defined commonsense. It seems that these reports are false information.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/social-media-posts-make-baseless-claim-on-covid-19-death-toll/

No, COVID-19 deaths are not being inflated by car crash deaths

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/covid-deaths-car-crash-comorbidities-coronavirus-death-total-counts-john-hopkins-study/65-e3842ed2-f753-4a15-8b97-c2ae75c2b2ce

Whether those who have died from a car accident with COVID-19 will be counted in ONS statistics

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/whetherthosewhohavediedfromacaraccidentwithcovid19willbecountedinonsstatistics?:uri=aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/whetherthosewhohavediedfromacaraccidentwithcovid19willbecountedinonsstatistics

I know there are people on the board who will ridicule these sources with their opinions. If they cannot back up their opinions with credible sources I give them no credence. 

 

 

There are at least seven cases here in Tennessee where car crash reports have been turned in as COVID related...one is a former co-worker of my wife's. Her son was killed in an auto accident about two months back, and the leading cause of death listed on the certificate? COVID...He died from injuries sustained in the auto accident, and didn't test positive for Covid until the autopsy. The former co-worker is in the process of suing the medical examiner and state at present. This ISN'T unsubstantiated evidence. We also know for a fact that my wife's uncles death was initially marked as Covid, though he had recovered and wes released from the VA and sent home. Two days later he had two massive heart attacks in one day and passed away. They tested him for Covid after his death and Valous! he had covid again...UGH! My wife's cousin and her former aunt sued the medical examiner and the state to have that removed from his death certificate as the cause of death, because he didn't have covid when he died. He died of the two massive heart attacks. CREDIBLE EVIDENCE That these deaths are inflated.