Any Stand For Israel Rallies In Your Area

[prophet1]

No rallies in support of Israel, but thousands came out in Chicago to support Hamas. Because so many people are ignorant of what is going on. Even Christians seem to think that it is Israel's fault that Hamas (and every other Arabic terrorist group) wants to annihilate it and that big, bad Israel ought to just sit back and say, "Okay, you don't like just having Gaza for a group of people that no Arab nation wants or will take in, come on in and destroy us and take our country."

No surprise at the Turkey aid. All Muslim nations want Israel destroyed. That alone is enough for me to support her. I find it very laughable that such a tiny country has so many people enraged. Laughable and sad. While the current Israel is not the Israel of the OT, I do firmly believe that God will not sit back and allow people to destroy it. Like it or not, God promised Israel a land. And He promised trouble to those who cause Israel trouble.

Hamas knew that their rockets wouldn't destroy Israel. They are working hard to destroy Israel in public opinion. And sadly it's working. But Hamas and public opinion will not get the last laugh.

Does that mean I like everything about the Israeli government? Of course not, no more than I like everything about the American government. But I do know enough to know that those who seek to oppress and destroy Israel will not win in the end.

Chicago is still behind the Iron Curtain.
We always say: "we are crossing into a Communist country kids, when we hit the Welcome to Illinois sign on the Dan Ryan.

[John81]

One of the basic tenants of war is to hit your enemies harder and more severely than they hit you so as to not only deal with the current enemy, but hopefully discourage further attacks from them or others.

 

Israel is doing nothing that American, England and countless other nations haven't done. The only exception being that Israel is striking back carefully and with concern for civilians while America and England both have a track record of going all out.

 

As a Christian I pray for peace. That doesn't negate the reality that Israel, Gaza and Hamas are all lost sinners engaged in sinful activities which should be no surprise to any of us. In accord with the rules of this secular world, Israel has the right to not only defend herself from attack, but the right to seek out and destroy the terrorist Hamas even at the unfortunate expense of civilian lives which Hamas purposefully put in harms way.

 

Hamas started this current conflict and they are reaping what they sowed. The civilians of Gaza voted Hamas into power and they are reaping what they sowed.

[DaveW]

Surely, as followers & ambassadors for the Prince of Peace, we can recognise the evil of both the activities of Israel & Hamas, rather than support either?

The TRUTH is that Gaza is being systematically destroyed by Israel in a one-sided conflict, with the death of over 1,000 non-combatants, and the destruction of homes, schools, hospitals & infrastructure - water supply, sewage & power.

The current Israel is not New Covenant Israel either. We can only bless Israel - & its enemies - with the Gospel, & humanitarian support through Christian agencies. Opposing Israel should NOT mean supporting Islam.

You are unbelievable on this matter - the ACTUAL truth is that Hamas is constantly breaking truces and constantly firing rocket aimed at CIVILIAN centre's from places that designed to cause "collateral damage" if they attacked.

The ACTUAL truth is that Israel finances and supplies medical facilities in Gaza and provides greatly for the Palestinians.

And the ACTUAL truth is that many here have said the whole thing is a tragedy and innocent people on both sides are paying for it.
But Hamas are the aggressors.

Let someone fire rockets at your village every day and see what you do about it.

Stop spouting your tainted point of view - it is twisted by your twisted theology.

[Covenanter]

This is a contribution from a Russian Jew.

 

[MountainChristian]

Ralph Sexton is really really really standing up for Israel.

[Alimantado]

While Hamas breaks yet another truce, killing two Israeli soldiers and capturing another, OBama says that while Israel has a right to defend herself she must use restraint.
 
Yes, don't hurt the terrorists too much, don't cause any suffering for those who voted Hamas into power and give them aid and support.
 
I don't recall Israel telling President Bush he needed to show restraint when he went after the Taliban and Bin Laden in Afghanistan.

 
I don't know too much about the conflict but I've still got a couple of points to make. First is the 'but they started it' line which I've seen a few times, including in Dave's post above. The insinuation seems to be that because Hamas started it, whatever they get is just desserts and therefore Israel is above any criticism it might receive for how it handles the conflict. My view is that it's just irrelevant whether or not Hamas started it to whether or not Israel should respond proportionately (and I'm not saying they aren't).

 

Secondly, John's remarks about OBama being wrong for telling Israel to defend itself with restraint--if that's what OBama said then it's a totally uncontroversial remark, even redundant. Countries have long expected each other to act with restraint during conflict. You brought up the UK earlier John, saying that it has acted decisively in conflict in the past. Yeah and it has been criticised for its role in conflict many times--bombing of Dresden, sinking of the Belgrano, bloody Sunday, Amritsar massacre are just a few that spring to mind--and rightly criticised too. I'm not saying criticism of Israel is fair and I'm definitely not saying the country's behaviour can be compared to the events I just cited, but the country isn't above criticism--no country is.

[Standing Firm In Christ]

The Diamond District in New York chases off Palestinian Protesters.

[John81]

Where did the concept of "proportional response" come from? Historically, the response has been to hit back as much harder as possible against those who attack you. Talking about "proportional response" opens up the entire gray box as who is to say what is or isn't proportional, or proportional to what, or proportional for who, etc.

 

Did America strike back proportionally after 9-11? Or December 7, 1941?

 

The whole idea of civilized warfare is wrong as war itself isn't civilized. War is about brute force. This stuff today of thinking it's okay to attack a nation and then cry foul when they strike back is actually very ridiculous.

 

In any event, Hamas did draw first blood in this current conflict so the burden of responsibility for what is taking place is upon them.

 

Outside of some sort of Great Awakening taking place among the Palestinians and Israelis the terrorism and war will continue. War is ugly. We (Christians) should be using the weapon of prayer.

[No Nicolaitans]

[DaveW]

I don't know too much about the conflict but I've still got a couple of points to make. First is the 'but they started it' line which I've seen a few times, including in Dave's post above. The insinuation seems to be that because Hamas started it, whatever they get is just desserts and therefore Israel is above any criticism it might receive for how it handles the conflict. My view is that it's just irrelevant whether or not Hamas started it to whether or not Israel should respond proportionately (and I'm not saying they aren't).

Secondly, John's remarks about OBama being wrong for telling Israel to defend itself with restraint--if that's what OBama said then it's a totally uncontroversial remark, even redundant. Countries have long expected each other to act with restraint during conflict. You brought up the UK earlier John, saying that it has acted decisively in conflict in the past. Yeah and it has been criticised for its role in conflict many times--bombing of Dresden, sinking of the Belgrano, bloody Sunday, Amritsar massacre are just a few that spring to mind--and rightly criticised too. I'm not saying criticism of Israel is fair and I'm definitely not saying the country's behaviour can be compared to the events I just cited, but the country isn't above criticism--no country is.

I never presented the "they started it" response.
What I actually was pointing out is that Hamas constantly break truces even whilst Israel does nothing.
And if you bother to check actual facts you find out that Israel only attacks military targets such as HQ's and rocket launching stations. The prOBlem is that these targets are DELIBERATELY sited by Hamas in Schools and places where they know there will be lots of civilians.

Tell me Ali, if someone were constantly firing rockets at your home, would you just sit back and let them kill your family?
What if someone was hiding behind their own child whilst shooting at you family and friends and the only way to stop them was to shoot through the child?
It is an unlikely personal situation, but not unlike what is going on there.

Hamas put rocket launchers in schools and fire rocket after rocket blindly into Israel aiming at CIVILIAN POPULATION CENTRE THAT HAVE NO MILITARY VALUE OR PRESCENSE. They are deliberately targeting civilians, just as they did with their suicide bomber attacking school busses and cafes a few years ago.

Israel attack rocket launching sites that are placed in high density population centers.

If you bother to read properly I said that it is tragedy on both sides.

But unlike some who post here, I do not deliberately post false information to make it look like it is all Israelis fault.

Israel have many times sat back and done nothing while Hamas or previously the PLO continued to attack Israel targeting specifically civilians.
Hamas is on record as saying that they will not be satisfied until Israel no longer exists.

I would appreciate it if you did not misrepresent me.
Nothing to do with "He started it" and everything to do with defending against someone who will not stop taking swings, no matter how many free punches the other guy allows before hitting back.