Does The Path To Unity Lead To Rome?

[AVBibleBeliever]

I think it will lead to Babylon and the Islamic Caliphate, with their Madhi or their god come in the flesh which they claim is the Messiah of which the Christians are waiting for.  But Farrakhan and his NOI said the same thing about their Madhi, W. Fard Muhammad in the 30's.

[candlelight]

You've got that right, John.  Several years ago, my sister and her husband took an AFS student into their home, from Germany.  My sister told me that she was very saddened b/c the RCC's in Europe were vacant.  He made the sacrament of "Confirmation" in the 8th grade at a huge RCC  in downtown Cleveland.  I gave him a KJV as a gift.  

 After this young man went home to Germany, my sister and her family visited them.  They also saw all the Concentration Camps all across Germany.  My mom and I had already done the lineage, on her mom's side of the family, as her roots were a mystery for years.  After much research, we found out I am a Jew by birth.  However, my great grandmother married an Irish man for fear of the Russian Pogroms.  They also inserted an "i" in the name, b/c they would have been murdered by the RCC.   My sister told me that me that the Germans said the name was a pagan name.  The German's, as a whole, still despise the Jews.  I called Chabad Lubavitch, the huge synagoge (shul) on the east side of Cleveland.  The rabbi pointed me to a rabbi in NYC that had the same name.  He laughed when I told him what my sister said.  Anyway, I wanted to throw that in the discussion, b/c of our discussion yesterday about supporting Israel.  And, also to say some Roman Catholics are actually Jews, and b/c of all of the hatred for the Jews, were forced to convert to the RCC or be tortured or slaughtered.  Some are flocking to shuls and converting to Judaism, as they have done DNA tests that prove they are Jews by birth.

This is the hope that I have for the RCC.  If we can't bring them to Christ, at least if they hold to Torah/Tanach they will be saved in the future.  It is widely known that many RC's hate the Jews.  That is the horrid history of the Vatican.  Also, I wanted to put this in here, b/c of the anti-semitism that I see from one member on OB.

I just had to vent this, as I am tired of hearing about Preterism (Replacement Theology) that was created by the RCC back in 70 A.D., with the destruction of the temple in Israel.  This pope wants to gain access to Jerusalem.  He is already trying.  We need to "pray for the peace of Jerusalem" as the Bible states.          

[AVBibleBeliever]

Indeed, we need to spread the Gospel and make disciples while we have the opportunity. One missionary report I read estimates that only 1% or less of Europeans are biblically born again Christians! Europe is one of the most neglected areas for evangelism yet one of the most needy.

Why not just tell them to fear God, glorify him and worship him that is the Everlasting Gospel after all?

[John81]

Muslims are divided over their version of the end times much as Christians are. Some look for the 12th iman to return while others look for something else. They still literally fight over these views.

 

The NOI is a black American invention which attempts to meld some aspects of Islam with black racist theology. Until rather recently "real Muslims" didn't accept NOI as being Islamic at all. Today some tacitly accept the NOI as Islamic, but only to a certain extent and not with any real loyalty or affinity.

[John81]

AVBB,

 

Not really sure why you attempt to stir debate, strife and conflict in virtually every thread you post in, but there are numerous threads on this board which all contain the biblical Gospel, which has nothing to do with what you wish to insert into several threads.

[John81]

Candlelight,

 

Indeed, there is yet much anti-Semitism across Europe. It's interesting to notice that in the midst of the mess in Ukraine there has been silence as to the anti-Semitic aspects of the Ukrainian uprising. As it stands, America and the EU helped egg on and support the uprising even though a large percentage of those involved were anarchists, neo-nazis and other anti-semitic groups.

 

Once again we see an American president supporting evil in the name of some "greater good" they think could come from such.

[AVBibleBeliever]

AVBB,

 

Not really sure why you attempt to stir debate, strife and conflict in virtually every thread you post in, but there are numerous threads on this board which all contain the biblical Gospel, which has nothing to do with what you wish to insert into several threads.

I am not.

 

I am just trying to show you a truth if all gospels are the same and they all lead to salvation by faith alone then the eternal Gospel is the easiest to follow all the person has to do s believe your words to fear God, give him glory and worship him.  very simple things for them to do to get saved, no repentance, no baptism, no standing strong in the Grace.  Just simple following of three things fear God, give him glory and worship him.

 

No debate just preach that gospel today and that be that.

[candlelight]

Candlelight,

 

Indeed, there is yet much anti-Semitism across Europe. It's interesting to notice that in the midst of the mess in Ukraine there has been silence as to the anti-Semitic aspects of the Ukrainian uprising. As it stands, America and the EU helped egg on and support the uprising even though a large percentage of those involved were anarchists, neo-nazis and other anti-semitic groups.

 

Once again we see an American president supporting evil in the name of some "greater good" they think could come from such.

 

I agree with you 100%, John.

 It just amazes me, though, that many Bible Believing Christians do not support Israel.  What don't they understand about the Word of God, in this respect?  I have seen this on Facebook, which was another reason to post less on that site.  With SFIC gone, along with Linda, the support for Israel is gone on OB, too.  Dr. Ach has not been posting much, either.

All nations will turn against Israel.  However, it is sickening that a Bible Believing Christian, on OB, is a anti-semitic.  He denies it, but he certainly shows it in his posts.  I have had enough of this nonsense.

I didn't want to hijack the thread, but I believe this needs to be said.  God blesses those that support the Jewish people.   

[John81]

AVBB,

 

When it comes to salvation there is only one Gospel, past, present and future.

 

Rightly dividing the Word of truth means to rightly discern, understand, apply; not the hyperdispensational definition of separating the Word of God and making divisions where none exist and within those man created divisions finding "new revelation, teaching and understanding.

[John81]

Candlelight,

 

At the same time, why are so many professing Christians now accepting of the RCC even as they call for support of the Ukrainian rioters who are made up of a large percentage of Jew haters?

[candlelight]

Candlelight,

 

At the same time, why are so many professing Christians now accepting of the RCC even as they call for support of the Ukrainian rioters who are made up of a large percentage of Jew haters?

 

I have said this before, John.  An Orthodox Jewish man, on Facebook, told me one time that he believes there are many Professing Christians, but not many Confessing Christians.  He calls the Professing Christians, "wanna be's."  The Jews know who the Bible Believing Christians are.  They aren't stupid.  They call Born Again Christians, "righteous Gentiles" and "saints."  Also, I have shared the Gospel with him, and he kindly said, "no thank you."  The Jews are kind and generous people.  I have been around them my whole life.  It is Satan that gets into men's minds with hatred towards the Jews.  Jesus was a Jew, and Satan despises them.  Sure, you will get an angry Jew, from time to time, but I find a lot of ignorant (not knowing facts) Christians with regard to the Jews.  

Genesis 12:2-3   

[John81]

No doubt most in America who call themselves Christians are only cultural christian, not biblically born again Christians.

 

Yet even among the biblically born again Christians there are many who pay too much heed to the corrupt media or follow the lead of certain politicians or talk show hosts. Since they hear one of their favorites say America must help the Ukrainians they just jump on the bandwagon and clamor for America to get tough with Russia, do whatever is necessary to support the Ukrainian uprising; and never bothering to find out just what's really going on, who and what the opposing sides are and stand for.

 

The same is true for support of Israel. Some go to extremes and say even if an Israeli leader advocates evil they will support that leader (that's not truly supporting Israel anymore than making friends with the likes of King Ahab supported Israel). At the same time, some take the other extreme and are anti-Israel no matter their position.

 

Then there are the rest of us who support Israel's right to exist, support the Jewish people living in peace and security, and establishing their own borders and internal affairs.

[candlelight]

No doubt most in America who call themselves Christians are only cultural christian, not biblically born again Christians.

 

Yet even among the biblically born again Christians there are many who pay too much heed to the corrupt media or follow the lead of certain politicians or talk show hosts. Since they hear one of their favorites say America must help the Ukrainians they just jump on the bandwagon and clamor for America to get tough with Russia, do whatever is necessary to support the Ukrainian uprising; and never bothering to find out just what's really going on, who and what the opposing sides are and stand for.

 

The same is true for support of Israel. Some go to extremes and say even if an Israeli leader advocates evil they will support that leader (that's not truly supporting Israel anymore than making friends with the likes of King Ahab supported Israel). At the same time, some take the other extreme and are anti-Israel no matter their position.

 

Then there are the rest of us who support Israel's right to exist, support the Jewish people living in peace and security, and establishing their own borders and internal affairs.

Your post is spot on, John.  You said the word, "extremists."  I am so tired of those kind of people.  They give the rest of us a bad name.  Even within the Baptist faith, American Baptists support the Palestinians.  Supporting terrorists?  Terrible.

[AVBibleBeliever]

AVBB,

 

When it comes to salvation there is only one Gospel, past, present and future.

 

Rightly dividing the Word of truth means to rightly discern, understand, apply; not the hyperdispensational definition of separating the Word of God and making divisions where none exist and within those man created divisions finding "new revelation, teaching and understanding.

Can I assume you are saying I am wrong and you are correct?

 

Would you agree there are discernments and understandings of the word of God that make divisions between Jew, the Gentile and the church of God, the Gospels, the Saints, His People, Sons of God, sacrifices, past history, prophecy yet to be fulfilled, and much much more.

 

The word "Divide" is not limited to only discern, understand, and apply.  Why would God not preserve it "rightly discern or handle the word of truth" (which is the newer translations of the NLT, NRIV, NIV, and others) instead of "rightly divide" if all he wanted us to know and do was discern, understand and apply, without any divisions or people groups, time periods, covenants and the like?

 

My only hope is that this post wont be labeled prideful, know it all, or condescending.  I have done my best not to imply any of that.

[John81]

Surely, in all of your vast studying, you know the term "divide" has changed in meaning just as other words have over time.

 

No, I'm not saying I'm correct, I'm saying the Bible is correct, to which DaveW did a very good job of posting Scripture which clearly showed by comparison of Scripture that the Bible is correct from beginning to end that there is one Gospel of salvation for all people for all time.