British Fundamentalists are called?

[Guest]

Ian Paisley, of course he's Irish, told me many years ago he was Free Presbyterian. Bible believing churches very similar to IFB.

What are the British fundamentalists called?

[Miss Linda]

What are the British fundamentalists called?

Call them anything you wish, just don't call them late to tea! :icon_mrgreen:

[HappyChristian]

Call them anything you wish, just don't call them late to tea!

LOL!!

Dave, there are also the Free Methodists in northern Ireland. We met a fellow who was one - and he was actually down the line in agreement with what we believe.

[Covenanter]

Presbyterians & Methodists rejecting the infant baptism of their denominations?

There is no equivalent to the IFB, & from what I read on this forum, there is no standard of unity between IFB churches in the USA.

British Baptists are mainly the ecumenical Baptist Union;
There are two Strict & Particular Baptist groups - Grace Baptist & Gospel Standard - who are fundamentalist & non-ecumentical. They are probably nearest to IFB.

I am with the "Fellowship of Independent Evangelical Churches" FIEC which is in fellowship with Grace Baptists & other smaller denominations that are committed to an inerrant Scripture & the Gospel, though not necessarily the KJV. We have a clear statement against ecumenism.

All gospel-loving Christians face many kinds of tension, but there is one particular way in which we are increasingly pressurised at the present time. Since the formation of the Churches Together movement in 1991, with its avowed aim to pursue ecumenism at the local level, we are constantly being urged to join other churches in united services, prayer meetings, marches and evangelistic activities.

If all the other local churches and their leaders involved in a united activity are wholly committed to the one true gospel there is no problem. Indeed the FIEC desires to encourage that kind of true and biblical ecumenism. Often, however, some of the churches and leaders with whom we are urged to unite neither believe nor preach those essential gospel truths which are embodied in our FIEC Doctrinal Basis or a similar Statement of Faith. Some do not accept the inerrancy of Scripture, the eternal punishment of the unsaved, or that Christ died bearing the punishment due to sinners. Some deny the deity of Christ, his virgin birth, miracles and literal resurrection. Others teach that religious ceremonies such as baptism, the mass and the adoration of Mary have some saving efficacy.

The FIEC has always felt it to be confusing and unbiblical to unite in public acts of worship and outreach with those who question and deny the faith. Our Doctrinal Basis, What We Believe, clearly states, "True fellowship between churches exists only where they are faithful to the gospel."

If an evangelical church or leader unites with those of a liberal persuasion who deny essential gospel truths, or with those of a Roman Catholic persuasion who add to the gospel, then great confusion is created. The impression is given either that the evangelical, liberal and Roman Catholic are all agreed when in fact they are worlds apart doctrinally, or that their different messages are equally valid when in fact there is only one gospel. Not only is this confusing but it is also a contradiction of the gospel on which our FIEC churches unite.

The gospel of salvation by grace is so precious to us that we desire to stand together with all who believe and preach it. For the same reason, we are compelled to remain separate from those who deny it. By taking this position we are seeking to follow the commands of Scripture. (Galatians 1:8, Romans 16:17).

[Invicta]

Ian Paisley, of course he's Irish, told me many years ago he was Free Presbyterian. Bible believing churches very similar to IFB.

What are the British fundamentalists called?

Christians.

[Kentucky Joe]

Ian Paisley, of course he's Irish, told me many years ago he was Free Presbyterian. Bible believing churches very similar to IFB.

What are the British fundamentalists called?

I'm sure Ian Paisley would emphatically say that he is NOT Irish, but British.

From my experience, British fundamentalists don't really have a name for themselves. They would just say that they are christians. Maybe "conservative christians."

[Invicta]

I'm sure Ian Paisley would emphatically say that he is NOT Irish, but British.

From my experience, British fundamentalists don't really have a name for themselves. They would just say that they are christians. Maybe "conservative christians."

Or Bible Believing Christians.

[MadeFree92]

Or Bible Believing Christians.

Nice. :biggrin:

[Covenanter]

The British situation is confused, as denominations that were once Protestant evangelical largely departed from the Biblical faith, leaving either a minority, or a schism. However the denominations still claim their heritage. Also the Methodist revival had a profound influence, but Methodists soon itself departed from their own raison d'etre & consolidated.

The cited Hayes Town Chapel is Evangelical Congregational, formed out of the merger of English Presbyterians (Westminster Confession) & Congregational Union (Savoy Declaration) about 30 years ago. The resultant United Reformed Church had fewer members that the Congs before the "union" while the Congs split into 3 new denominations, thus 4 denoms resulted from a union of 2 ! Such a union should have been impossible, as the Congs were originally Independent & therefore rejected Presbyterian church government. [The now Anglican Holy Trinity Church in Hull has the evidence of a dividing wall to separate the Presb & Ind congregations during Cromwell's Commonwealth.] Sadly the "union" was on non-evangelicals.

No doubt Joe's wife's parents could tell more about the HTC history, which goes back to about the time of your ill-advised war of independence.

These denominations are all paedobaptist.

The Baptist Union became modernist in Spurgeon's time & Spurgeon and the Down-Grade Controversy documents the developing situation.

OTOH the FIEC came into being 90 years ago when scattered Christian groups seceding from the denominations because of modernism were called together into a "Fellowship of Undenominational & Unattached Churches & Missions" soon happily renamed. The founder of the FIEC Poole-Connor found he was visiting these isolated groups when he was visiting for the North Africa Mission. They did not know about each other until P-C called them together. Because of it's origin, the FIEC allows paedobaptism, immersion & sprinkling & allows divergent views on prophecy.

Hayes TC practises infant baptism & believer's baptism by sprinkling.

The strongest defenders of the KJV I know of in the UK are the N. Irish Presbyterians.

[HappyChristian]

Actually, Covenanter, Ian Paisley does believe infant baptism is okay - he actually told a friend of ours that mode of baptism is not important....as to the Free Methodist we met - not every Methodist church practiced (or practices) infant baptism. My mother was baptized in a Methodist church when she was younger, and she was immersed.

Paisley also believes in a mid-trib rapture. Those two are sticking points, but other than that he is considered close to IFB.

[Covenanter]

Actually, Covenanter, Ian Paisley does believe infant baptism is okay - he actually told a friend of ours that mode of baptism is not important....as to the Free Methodist we met - not every Methodist church practiced (or practices) infant baptism. My mother was baptized in a Methodist church when she was younger, and she was immersed.

Paisley also believes in a mid-trib rapture. Those two are sticking points, but other than that he is considered close to IFB.

All churches baptise converts/new believers, sometimes by immersion, & some immerse babies.

Details & timing of the resurrection/rapture are not, so far as I can ascertain from this forum agreed among IFBs.

[HappyChristian]

All churches baptise converts/new believers, sometimes by immersion, & some immerse babies.

Details & timing of the resurrection/rapture are not, so far as I can ascertain from this forum agreed among IFBs.

I know - I was just answering your question about Presbyterians & Methodists rejecting infant baptism. There are disagreements as to eschatology amongst IFB, but most IFB are pre-trib.

The Free-Methodist we met actually referred to the KJB as just the authorized version (he was here in the states for a week long class on the KJV D. Waite was giving at our college). He said it was because the Irish don't want to give any recognition to the British king. But you are right, Free-Presbyterians are staunchly KJB.

[irishman]

Actually, what happened many years ago concerning the birth and growth of the Baptist church, has little to do with the church today. By that I mean that what a few believed then has little to do with what we believe now. I am afraid that all this conjecture (whatever it may be) adds to the further loss of identity of the Baptists. IFB still means "Independent Fundamental BAPTIST" but unfortunately we have re-defined the terms.

Edited June 13, 2011 by irishman

[Invicta]

I know - I was just answering your question about Presbyterians & Methodists rejecting infant baptism. There are disagreements as to eschatology amongst IFB, but most IFB are pre-trib.

The Free-Methodist we met actually referred to the KJB as just the authorized version (he was here in the states for a week long class on the KJV D. Waite was giving at our college). He said it was because the Irish don't want to give any recognition to the British king. But you are right, Free-Presbyterians are staunchly KJB.

Here the KJV is usually referred to by the initials AV or Authorised version, occasionaly KJV or KJAV.

I use the AV.