Humanitarian Aid!

[Guest]

Humanitarian aid is not what it once was, and there was a time when good was called good, evil was called evil, but that day is gone forever, now good is called evil, and evil is called good, and there be few that knows the difference.

Yet the main thing is who is in charge of this rebellion? Is it Muslims terrorist? Are they laying low until ground is gained, them they will step forward and take control.

France is big behind this, and I don't believe they're trustworthy any more.

Why was the Libyan jet shot by the French after landing... it's difficult to catch another jet when your's flies in reverse. Some military will get this.

[JerryNumbers]

Me know not know.

Plus, to have a no fly zone they do not have to shoot missiles. All they have to do is declare it a no fly zone, telling them if their planes hit the air they will be shot out of the sky, them just do it.

I feel sure with what destruction each $1.41 million dollar missile shot, we will do several million dollars of repair building back what we destroyed.

Cruise Missiles: The Million-Dollar Weapon

[Invicta]

Me know not know.

Plus, to have a no fly zone they do not have to shoot missiles. All they have to do is declare it a no fly zone, telling them if their planes hit the air they will be shot out of the sky, them just do it.

I feel sure with what destruction each $1.41 million dollar missile shot, we will do several million dollars of repair building back what we destroyed.

Cruise Missiles: The Million-Dollar Weapon

I heard on radio, that this is a new version, so I suppose it has to be tried out somewhere, to see if it works.

[Guest]

I heard on radio, that this is a new version, so I suppose it has to be tried out somewhere, to see if it works.

The Block IV Tactical Land Attack Missile (TLAM) has better avoidance, greater accuracy, and incorporate GPS. They are expensive and we shouldn't be wasting them in Libya. The TLAM-N is the one to fear but, they won't be using it in Libya. They are a terror to the enemy, you fire them, you forget them, they have no concsience; they don't say, "oops there are children present, abort mission" instead, they say target acquired, range 0, and blow up.

[JerryNumbers]

I suppose, the new Block IV Tactical Land Attack Missile was made for use in humanitarian situations.

[John81]

It's clear their initial talk of taking action only as a means of "protecting civilians" from air strikes is not true. They have specifically used missile and air power as a means of crippling Gadafi's forces on the ground and giving the rebels an advantage.

[JerryNumbers]

And they still don't know who the rebels are,

[John81]

And they still don't know who the rebels are,

That's true! There is evidence some of them are Al Quida...um, aren't we supposed to be at war with them for attacking America, not supporting them? There is also evidence other terrorist groups are involved. Who all the rest are is totally unknown.

[Invicta]

That's true! There is evidence some of them are Al Quida...um, aren't we supposed to be at war with them for attacking America, not supporting them? There is also evidence other terrorist groups are involved. Who all the rest are is totally unknown.

It seems that most are just wanting freedom from a dictatorship, there are no doubt some extremists, but most are just ordinary people.

It was said that the US are acting under a previous UN mandate dated 1973, which is separate from the mandate that NATO will be acting under.

Kadafi has long been supporting terrorism and was planning to develop nuclear weapons. He was bribed by Tony Blair to drop these so he could be incorporated back as a normal nation. He must go now as he will revert as we have reneged on that bribe.

[John81]

Typically, the "ordinary people" are not the ones behind what's going on and they are not the ones who will be running any new government.

Also, Arab and Muslim culture leans towards the masses backing whoever they perceive to be the strongest. A case in point would be how popular Saddaam Hussein was to most Iraqi's yet once it became clear he was going down, the same masses who enjoyed among the best living conditions in the Middle East began shouting in the streets against him. When the opposition groups were looking strong in Iraq ordinary Iraqis began backing them. When Bush put forth his surge and the Americans made it clear they were the dominate power, ordinary Iraqis turned against the insurgents and gave support to the Americans. (Yes, to an extent an percentage of virtually every population group will do this, but among Arab/Muslims it's actually a part of their culture)

As long as Gadafi seemed to have a solid grip on power, the people were quiet. When enough of an uprising started up and looked to be successful, then many of the people denounced Gadafi and cheered the rebels.

Along with this is the general human tendency to think things would be better "if"...if we had a new leader...if the other political party had power...

For the most part, Muslims don't want what we call democracy. Most want certain "freedoms" for themselves and their particular group, but they want less freedom for certain other people and groups and most want partial or full implementation of Sharia law. Even when hundreds were asked about these things among the "young democracy seekers" during the unrest in Egypt, this was what the majority said.

[JerryNumbers]

Farrakhan Defends Gadhafi, Pans US Role in Libya

I'm not surprised that he is against it, but the man has to be stupid with the comments this article claims he made. Yet I still feel no ones knows for sure who is behind this rebellion.

No doubt the leader of Libya is worthless, yet so was the leader of Iraq. To be honest it does not look if we helped Iraq any, Christian persecution in that country is worse than ever.

I can't help but think about the verse, 'there is a way that seems right to man.'

[Invicta]

Typically, the "ordinary people" are not the ones behind what's going on and they are not the ones who will be running any new government.

Also, Arab and Muslim culture leans towards the masses backing whoever they perceive to be the strongest. A case in point would be how popular Saddaam Hussein was to most Iraqi's yet once it became clear he was going down, the same masses who enjoyed among the best living conditions in the Middle East began shouting in the streets against him. When the opposition groups were looking strong in Iraq ordinary Iraqis began backing them. When Bush put forth his surge and the Americans made it clear they were the dominate power, ordinary Iraqis turned against the insurgents and gave support to the Americans. (Yes, to an extent an percentage of virtually every population group will do this, but among Arab/Muslims it's actually a part of their culture)

As long as Gadafi seemed to have a solid grip on power, the people were quiet. When enough of an uprising started up and looked to be successful, then many of the people denounced Gadafi and cheered the rebels.

Along with this is the general human tendency to think things would be better "if"...if we had a new leader...if the other political party had power...

For the most part, Muslims don't want what we call democracy. Most want certain "freedoms" for themselves and their particular group, but they want less freedom for certain other people and groups and most want partial or full implementation of Sharia law. Even when hundreds were asked about these things among the "young democracy seekers" during the unrest in Egypt, this was what the majority said.

I think you are wrong.

Arabs are no different from Europeans and Americans. They want to run their own lives and would love a democracy. The chinese people as well. They all want to run their own lives, but there are always those who want to run it for them.

[JerryNumbers]

I don't think the Muslims would, I believe they would quickly back a Muslim dictator.

[John81]

Farrakhan Defends Gadhafi, Pans US Role in Libya

I'm not surprised that he is against it, but the man has to be stupid with the comments this article claims he made. Yet I still feel no ones knows for sure who is behind this rebellion.

No doubt the leader of Libya is worthless, yet so was the leader of Iraq. To be honest it does not look if we helped Iraq any, Christian persecution in that country is worse than ever.

I can't help but think about the verse, 'there is a way that seems right to man.'

Don't forget that Obama's pastor, Rev. Wright, is a big fan and supporter of Farrakhan, the longtime leader of the Nation of Islam, and Obama said multiple times he was a faithful follower of Wright, attended his church for 20 years, and in his first book and some interviews has made it clear he views life in similar manner to Wright and Farrakhan.

Also, with regards to Muslims and democracy, the history of Islam indicates Muslims lean towards having a strong leader and Sharia law, and special treatment for their particular sect of Islam while restricting to one extent or another the other sects. Not to mention, no real freedom for non-Muslims.

Typically, when a Muslim says he wants freedom or democracy, he's speaking in regards to having his particular sect and views of Islam running things. To him, that's freedom.

[Invicta]

I was watching the France 24 news channel this morning, and a French Journalist said he had a drive allocated to him but at the end of the day, he said that he could not drive for him the next day as he was going to the frontline to fight. He said the same thing happened for 4 days and he lost 4 drivers. When he enquired why, he was told that the mothers and wives are saying to the men "You have to go and fight for us."

He also said that the men are completely untrained in weapon use, having seen some of them blowing themselves up with grenades as they didn't know how to use them, firearms jamming because they don't know how to maintain them, and cars blowing up because they were carrying explosives and didn' know how to handle them.

Gadafi is bribing the inhabitants of Tripoli with a gift of 900dinahs (300 Euros) to everyone and tripling the pay of public workers.