More Baptist pastors adopt bishop title

[John81]

While the term Bishop is in the KJB and properly used wouldn't be a prOBlem; most of these churches are not using the term in a biblical manner.

[chev1958]

My KJV Bible uses and that is good enough for me. Don't you believe the KJV Scriptures? Why would you not want to follow the Scriptures?

Some KJV words aren't considered appropriate in mixed company nowadays because contemporary culture has adulterated the meanings. How would you react to a sermon titled, "How to Have a Gay Conversation"?

[JerryNumbers]

There is nothing, no not one thing, unbiblical about using the word pastor instead of bishop.

And there would ne no one thing wrong with using bishop, yet there is many things wrong with using either one of them in the manner some churches chose to do.

I to would not like the use of the word bishop because of it is highly misused by so many.

[trc123]

Some KJV words aren't considered appropriate in mixed company nowadays because contemporary culture has adulterated the meanings. How would you react to a sermon titled, "How to Have a Gay Conversation"?

It's the Holy Scriptures, are you embarrassed of the Holy Scriptures. I am really confused, I thought this was at a place that cherishes the Holy Bible (KJV) and now the very people who have in the past stood boldly upon that foundation are backing away and minimizing a portion of the Scriptures?

[John81]

The Word of God does not say the word "bishop" has to be used. If properly used there is nothing wrong with it but just as the word "ass" (used in the KJB for donkey) has been so abused and so often wrongly used, one has to use wisdom.

These people, and many others, are wrongly using the title of bishop.

[trc123]

If they choose to use it wrongly that should have no affect on the person who is following the Lord correctly. Don't you believe the Word of God is perfect? Don't you believe in following the example of the Holy Scriptures?

[JerryNumbers]

Jer 17:16 As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right before thee.

Webster's 1828 Dictionary [K-Z]
pastor
P`ASTOR, n. L. from pasco, pastum, to feed.
1. A shepherd; one that has the care of flocks and herds.
2. A minister of the gospel who has the charge of a church and congregation, whose duty is to watch over the people of his charge, and instruct them in the sacred doctrines of the christian religion.

English-Strong's Index: pastor
H7462 רָעָה ra`ah raw-aw' (1)
a primitive root; to tend a flock; i.e. pasture it; intransitively, to graze (literally or figuratively); generally to rule; by extension, to associate with (as a friend):--X break, companion, keep company with, devour, eat up, evil entreat, feed, use as a friend, make friendship with, herdman, keep (sheep)(-er), pastor, + shearing house, shepherd, wander, waste.
FROM A PASTOR (1)
Jer 17:16

Quite clear, using the word pastor is scriptural.

[chev1958]

If they choose to use it wrongly that should have no affect on the person who is following the Lord correctly. Don't you believe the Word of God is perfect? Don't you believe in following the example of the Holy Scriptures?

The perfection of Scripture is not the issue. Whether we like it or not, many words used in the KJV have changed meanings. My mother washed out my mouth for using some words that appear in the Bible. That's why I use Webster's 1828 dictionary, because it gives the definitions of the English words used in the KJV.

Extrapolating your premise a little further, we shouldn't use words like "rapture," "trinity," or even "Bible," since none of those words appear in the KJV. We use the terms "Lord's Supper," "Lord's Table," or "communion" to describe one of the church ordinances. Since what Christ was sharing with the disciples was actually Passover, should we use that term instead? What about "missions" or "missionaries"? You won't find those words in the Bible, er, Scripture either, so let's stop supporting them.

How about the meaning of "wine"? Do you think that has changed since 1611?

[trc123]

It is very inconsistent for a person to say they are KJV only and that it is a perfect verbally inspired Word of God for the purposes that suit them; and then turn around and explain it away or shy away from a perfectly Biblical concept and use of a word when they don't like it.

Very very inconsistent and very disappointing.

[chev1958]

And if we all still spoke in 1611 English, we wouldn't be having this conversation, oops, er, discussion, because everybody would be using the words in their original meaning. I think it's unfair to call me hypocritical or question my stand on the KJV simply because I'm pointing out that the English words used in 1611 don't mean the same thing they do today.

We're not talking about salvation or Biblical doctrine. We're discussing how some Baptists are changing the title of pastor to a word that has a different meaning today than it did 400 years ago. "Bishop" now means a supervisor of several churches and has the connotation of hierarchy. It's use is identified with false religions.

There's nothing I can really do about that; it's just a fact of today's life. And when I use the word "bishop," I need to explain that it doesn't mean nowadays what it meant in 1611. Today, we use the word "pastor," which is still a Biblical word and not offensive to anybody.

NOBody in today's American society calls a donkey or mule "ass" anymore. What would your boss say to this: "Well, I'm late to work this morning because my car broke down, and I had to ride my ass to get here."

And as I pointed out above, "conversation" is now defined as talk between people, not lifestyle. What does "skirt" mean to you today? Do you "pisseth against the wall" or do you use a toilet? I don't see you using "thee," "thou," and "thine" in your postings. So, before you start calling people names, maybe you should look in the mirror.

Unfortunately, the world - and Satan - has taken some great English words and corrupted their meanings. I will not and do not shy away from saying the words in a Biblical context. However, if there are other words I can use in my sermons to get God's message across and not offend every grandmother in my congregation, then I'll use those words.

[trc123]

It is very inconsistent for a person to say they are KJV only and that it is a perfect verbally inspired Word of God for the purposes that suit them; and then turn around and explain it away or shy away from a perfectly Biblical concept and use of a word when they don't like it.

Very very inconsistent and very disappointing.

This statement was not to you "chev" specifically, but rather to all of those on this board that rebuke and castigate others who use the same "KJV 1611 uses outdated language" argument and then those same "KJV Only" hawks now try to explain away a perfectly good word / Biblical concept because they don't like the "outdated" word. Seems to me their KJV Only stance is truly a matter of convenience and preference and not truly one of conviction.

[amblivion]

And if we all still spoke in 1611 English, we wouldn't be having this conversation, oops, er, discussion, because everybody would be using the words in their original meaning. I think it's unfair to call me hypocritical or question my stand on the KJV simply because I'm pointing out that the English words used in 1611 don't mean the same thing they do today.

We're not talking about salvation or Biblical doctrine. We're discussing how some Baptists are changing the title of pastor to a word that has a different meaning today than it did 400 years ago. "Bishop" now means a supervisor of several churches and has the connotation of hierarchy. It's use is identified with false religions.

There's nothing I can really do about that; it's just a fact of today's life. And when I use the word "bishop," I need to explain that it doesn't mean nowadays what it meant in 1611. Today, we use the word "pastor," which is still a Biblical word and not offensive to anybody.

NOBody in today's American society calls a donkey or mule "ass" anymore. What would your boss say to this: "Well, I'm late to work this morning because my car broke down, and I had to ride my ass to get here."

And as I pointed out above, "conversation" is now defined as talk between people, not lifestyle. What does "skirt" mean to you today? Do you "pisseth against the wall" or do you use a toilet? I don't see you using "thee," "thou," and "thine" in your postings. So, before you start calling people names, maybe you should look in the mirror.

Unfortunately, the world - and Satan - has taken some great English words and corrupted their meanings. I will not and do not shy away from saying the words in a Biblical context. However, if there are other words I can use in my sermons to get God's message across and not offend every grandmother in my congregation, then I'll use those words.

Edited September 30, 2010 by amblivion