BrotherTony

I'm not even sure if that's possible, but it never hurts to ask or suggest one. ?

Yet, we see a lot of the same thing in the IFB churches...Sorry, your argument just doesn't cut it. And your contiued dogging me as you've done since I came to these forums shows your bias. You don't want to accept that each SBC church is autonomous, that's on you, not on me. I am independent, and so is our church. I've not said anything about your church. So, why the prevarication on your part?

Tonight we had a breaded pork fritter since I didn't want to make the hand-breaded pork tenderloin sandwiches. Was a long day starting at 2:30 AM. We made it into town by 7 AM to find a parking space since the Murfreesboro's Farmers Market was up this week, and every week until fall. Vivian and I both got our hair cut. I lost my Santa Claus hair and beard. Vivian lost 5" off her hair. Then we bought a table and five chairs at a yard sale. We'd needed the chairs and had been praying for some that would fit around our table for Bible studies. Vivian saw it on Wednesday when she passed the sale, and it was still there this morning. So, we stopped and bought it. Then on to Aldi to get groceries, Walgreens for a prescription, and to get our mail. We got home around 11:30 AM. For dessert we're going to have vanilla ice cream with hot fudge sauce on it. ? Bailey is going to have an ice pop.

They accepted my brother in the US Army when he was 16, and I've had several nephews and nieces go in at that age. Ir'a not a practice they like to admit, but the will and do do it.

No, they don't. There are several in our local association who don't, and many churches that don't support the missions or cooperative at the present.

I don't. If the Armed Service accept people as young as 16, and people below the age of 12 are allowed to hunt, then there should be no age threshhold.

Yes, there are some churches that fellowship with the SBC that allow the local or state association to recommend and send a pastor in view of a call. Then, regrettably, there are some that still call themselves Southern Baptist that allow the pastor to name his successor, as is the case with Pastor Rick Warrn of the Purpose Drive Life fame. He just named his successor/s and they are a husband and wife team, which the churches of the SBC don't approve of. It's possible that the churches of the SBC will disfellowship this church as they've done many others for unbiblical stances. Still, it's up to each church to decide on whether or not they fellowship with these kinds of churches. In the part of missions, having been raised IFB, I would rather those wishing to go to the missionfield come to the churches on deputation. Using the cooperative, though, the SBC (not necessarily all of us who go to SBC churches) agree to pool resources to get the missionaries to the missionfield more quickly. The reasons I would rather have them come the churches is because of the intrusion of "reformed" theology into the SBC's institutions of higher learning. Calvinism is destroying many of them and turning some away from Christ. Secondly is that we don't really get a chance to examine these candidates forthe missionfield personally by "cooperating" in getting them to the missionfield earlier. Then, they don't come to the churches when they're home for their sabbatical from the field. I've pointed out that this is a really questionable way to my pastor and the deacons of our church, and it'snot made me very a very popular person. So be it. I'm used to not being "popular." Of course, you're always welcome to your opinion. Independent doesn't mean they can't fellowship in a fellowship or association. Do you fellowship with anyone that has similar ideas of your family? Same thing. They hold no sway over each other and aren't accountable to each other.

Wrong. A loose knit fellowship or association of churches are totally independent. It's just a group of like minded churches that fellowship together. None has authority over the other.

The government does have limited control over guns and other weapons. More gun control will not help, as criminals don't care about what the law says. Personally, I don't see the need for registration of guns, but, because in some places it's the law, where it is, I would follow that rule. In Tennessee we have what is called "Constitutional Carry" which means we don't have to have a permit to carry a gun concealed or otherwise. I wouldn't want to be like Canada in any respect whatsoever. It's a pro-Socialist government, and they really should keep their ideology North of the border.

I attend church where the Lord leads me to go. I don't have to justify what he's told me to do. The churches associated with the SBC are autonomous...they each have the same characteristics of the Baptist church that they all have, whether IFB, SBC, BMA, ABA, etc. The are truly independent. They don't answer to the "convention." The "convention is actually only the meeting of the churches to decide how to control their combined missions dollars. And, not every church that is associated with the SBC gives to the missions cooperative, yet, they still fellowship with the SBC. Yet, in EVERY IFB church I've been a member of, they are members of a state association of Baptist churches, or an association/fellowship that controls a college/institution of higher learning, or mission board. Not all followed the "recommendations" of the fellowship or association. Why?? Because they were autonomous, not having a hierarchical nature or structure. Your experience is just that, your experience, not necessarily right, but, then again, not necessarily wrong. The church I am a member of uses the Lifeway books at times, but not because they are compelled to, nor do they use the AWANA program for their youth. We find what works best for our church, not the SBC finding it for us. Truly autonomous. The Bible doesn't strictly forbid fellowships/associations either. I totally agree with your assessments of missions boards, but, yet we find them in the IFB circles, and in the SBC and other Baptist groups. I prefer to let the Lord tell me whom to send missions dollars to. I don't participate in our churches missions cooperative giving. I designate that the tithes all go to the salary and upkeep of the church, salary of the pastor, assistant, and church staff. Nothing is to be given to the cooperative. I've done that for over six years now.

Could you please clarify what you're trying to say? I couldn't make heads nor tales out of your post.

Can you give an example of a Baptist church that is in a "convention" that isn't autonomous??? I know that in the SBC all of the churches are autonomous, and they aren't even truly a convention. They only cooperate in missions giving, and many don't even do that. It's just some churches way of stating they are like-minded...sort of like "Independent, Fundamental".....

The only "offense" i get is when you try to STEAMROLL your OPINION over everybody else. You want to be able to have YOUR opinion or interpretation of Scripture or anything else here, yet, you don't want to allow others to have theirs. Then you always decry that you have the administrators or moderators support. You say i don't have to "justify" my opinions, and that you don't have to "justify" yours, yet, you come at ITim, me, and others here as if you're view is the only one on many different subjects. Think you'd better remove the beam from your own eye before you come after the splinter in mine.

Whatever, friend.

Do you have any proof of this? Redesigns in currency happen often, and different people will place things a different way. It doesn't necessariy mean that they don't want to honour God. You like to insinuate a lot of things, as I stated in another thread just a few minutes ago. Do you have PROOF of your allegation?

Seems to me you want to take this to an argument stage...so, I'll stop by not replying further to you on this subject. This is why I've stopped replying to you on most things. I will say this, if I didn't believe it was the Word of God, Nowhere did I state it was an "approximation," and I don't appreciate that insinuation. I wouldn't use it. If that doesn't suffice for you, that's YOUR problem, ot mine. I've gotten in trouble for being direct with you once before, but, I'm being direct again, and if I get in trouble, so be it. You stand where YOU stand, and I'll stand where I stand.

They're getting very direct and open about their intentions to take Christianity and churches down. But, Rome thought the same thing. They may persecute us and win the battle, but the WAR is already won.

Thank you for that explanation. I agree, and I appreciate the way you worded it. I did indeed refer to it as my PREFERENCE...yes. It's also my CONVICTION that this is the best text, otherwise it wouldn't even be a PREFERENCE. I guess I PREFER to use what I consider to be the PRESERVED WORD. Again, I appreciate your response. Blessings.

Remember, Morales, MEMORIAL DAY (the last Monday in May) is for REMEMBERING those who lost their lives in the military serving to preserve our freedom and the freedom of others. VETERANS DAY, for those who have served in the military for this country, is observed on November 11th each year. Many try to turn MEMORIAL DAY into VETERANS DAY, and it shouldn't be. There's no harm in mentioning veterans on Memorial Day, but, it's specifically set aside for those who gave all in service to this country. That said, I have two brothers, my great x3 grandfathers (one served in the Confederacy, while the other was in the Union Army and escaped after being captured in Chattanooga, TN...he did this 2x in less than a year), two nieces, my paternal grandfather, his two brothers (all served in the Army during WW II), a nephew who served in Iraq during the 2nd Iraqi War and was wounded and nearly killed there, and many cousins who have served in various branches of the military. I personally tried to enter the Army and the Navy when I was 18, but couldn't become enlisted because of challenges with my back and legs. My birth father is a Marine, and he just turned 80 on May 24th.

Jerry, I've emboldened your statement here....Can you PROVE that they've changed anything against THEIR underlying texts? Can you PROVE they've watered down their underlying texts that they were translated from? Can you PROVE that they've changed or REMOVED words from their underlying texts? If not, how are they changing or diluting Bible doctrines. Let's get honest here. You KNOW that I used to be KJVO for many years, but am now KJV PREFERRED. I believe it's the best version available, and I use it exclusively in my preaching and teaching. But, I'm not going to be dishonest as most KJVO proponents are and claim that these other translations, based on a different underlying text, have been unfaithful to those underlying texts. It's comparing apples to oranges and is quite dishonest. And I'm not trying to imply YOU personally are dishonest. I'm definitely implying that those authors who intentionally misrepresent the truth in their books and commentaries for mass consumption on the subject ARE! Hope that's understood. ?

Just making you aware of a forum rule before moderators or administrators say something.

Welcome to the forum.

Those who are evil ARE sinners, as we all are. The only difference is that Christians are covered/forgiven because of the blood of Jesus Christ.

Just a tip....don't post references as (NIV)....On these forums, Scripture references are to be KJV only. I'm sure sooner or later a moderator or administrator of the site would have told you.