BrotherTony

You keep throwing around the word "fraud" without posting definitive proof of the same. One link won't cut it. The only places I see these claims is on many IFB sites with a huge lack of evidence. I'm not saying these texts are the best, but I won't misrepresent them either, and will continue to question those who are "hit and run" posters on it for the sake of honesty.

This is somewhat like the teaching that's going on that sevreral friends and acquaintances are getting in IFB schools. Sorry, I'm still not buying the "fake color on the pages" bit at this point. Nor am I a defender of the text...I'm just saying, let's get honest about things. https://evangelicaltextualcriticism.blogspot.com/2019/02/is-codex-sinaiticus-fake-new-evidence.html

Not so sure I believe this, because even the Bible colleges I've attended have taught differently, as have most of the pastors I've had when they're describing these texts.

Are you positive the underlying manuscripts of the critical texts are the same as the RT on this, or is there an intentional misrepresentation by most KJVO's? Asking in all sincerity. I've looked it up before, but that was many years ago....still, I would go by the totality of the text instead of just one part of the passage.

It lacked neither, and the request was to read the posts concerning this situation. I can see why there was a reaction from another from these forums in response to yours.

Seems that way to me as well.

If you read my posts, you'd see I have. And yes, I have prayed for Mr. Schaap...we're NONE perfect. Read my signature line. I'm well aware of the fact that I personally am not perfect. Thank you for the Scripture, though. ?

That's very possible, especially amongst those churches who worshipped Jack Hyles above God. There are quite a few. We have a couple in this area. But, then, to be fair, we have some who used to support Hyles who no longer have the "Jim Jones" mentality. I had many older church friends that remarked about how Schaap got a "light sentence" compared to what he would have gotten back in the early to mid 1900s. I know of a man who got 75 years for this kind of thing back in my hometown back in the 1970s. Very similar situation...the only addition to the crime? He provided drugs.

I'm praying that Mr. Schaap is reformed and remorseful for his wrongdoing. Many don't believe he is. I know back in the years when Joe Combs, a HAC related pastor who was pastoring near Knoxville was arrested, along with his wife, on charges of abusing children in their home and in the church, the FBCH was in full support of Mr. Combs. They were both found guilty. I've seen a lot of abuse from people associated with HAC/FBCH...but, to be fair, I've also seen a lot of good come from people who were/are still associated with the church. Because of our pastors support of Hyles/Schaap/Combs back in 2000, during our pastors rant about Joe Combs being set up and the liberal media exploiting the situation, my wife and I got up and left during the middle of the service here. We left the IFB affiliated churches at that time. We had been praying for several months about what was going on and sought the guidance of the Lord in what we were to do. We visited several SBC affiliated churches over the next few weeks, and ended up in an SBC church about 3 miles from the church we had removed ourself from. There is a LOT of unaddressed and covered up sexual abuse in the IFB movement, as there is in any religious organization, including the SBC affiliated churches. I can tell you that the church where I first attended Bible college has a history of sexual sin, including abuse....the current pastor of that church had his son as assistant/youth pastor, and he was arrested for sexually abusing a member of the youth group. His father is still the pastor of the church to this day. I still pray for the church because the pastor can't help what his son did. I pray for FBCH and HAC because a lot of good people have come out of both of those places. It's up to every individual whom they are going to follow and serve...some are in each place serving the Lord, while others are serving themselve and the devil. I'm sorry to hear that you experienced what you did @Jerry. I have experienced some of the same, as well as other physical and mental abuse. Yet, I know that Christ expects us all to depend on HIM and recover. It's how much we depend upon him and are in the Word as to how we'll recover and serve the Lord.

The former pastor fot he First Baptist Church of Hammond, Indiana, and son-in-law of the late Dr. Jack Hyles, the late, scandal ridden pastor of First Baptist of Hammond, has been released from prison after serving 9 of his 12 year Federal sentence for taking a young 16 year old parishoner whom he was "counseling" across state lines to Illinois and Michigan for sex. He had appealed for a "compassionate release" in 2021, telling the Federal judge that his frail and elderly parents needed him to take care of them. The judge, cited many reasons for not allowing the release, one of the main causes being that there seemed to be no remorse for his actions with said parishoner. https://www.stoppastoralabuse.org/post/jack-schaap-scheduled-to-be-released

So, let me see...This isn't an even comparison...Tithing, as you already know, has NOTHING to do with salvation...A person can get saved, and never tithe, yes...but, I believe that if he is saved, he'll follow a principle that's already been set in the Bible. Tithing or not won't keep a person from going to Heaven, nor will it make them go there. But, why the comparison to "prison." Morales, to be honest, some of your ideology befuddles many of us.

I don't know of many of the Christians who tithe that don't give it all to the church. Offerings, on the other hand are given either to the church, missionaries, childrens ministries, etc. If you are associating with people who don't tithe to their churches, maybe you need to be associating with different people who DO.

Your theology is not in line with Scripture. You are, once again, stating that a "people will highly approve"...how many people? A majority? Minority? How many? Yes, there are MANY who do accept this, but, to generalize isn't a good thing. How do you KNOW that if there's a nuclear war there will be no Christians to rapture? Once again, your theology isn't in line with the Bible. The Bible has already stated that there will be Christians alive who will be raptured....the dead in Christ will be raised first, "then we which are alive and remain shall be shall be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air"....

Where in the world did you even come up with this idea? Nowhere in the Bible is this even a possibility.

Nowhere that I'm aware of.

I never went to kindergarten...but I was in first grade in 1968. Being in Bloomington, IN at that time, we were being taught by the "liberated" crowd...and we were being taught about the "birds and the bees" by the student teachers from Indiana University.

Wow...things can change in a heartbeat, can't they? I was going to make taco potatoes, but I ended up needing to make pork back meat with green peppers, onions, garlic, carrots, celery and other nice veggies~Some of the stuff for the taco potatoes had to be thrown out because of our refrigerator debacle this past weekend. UGH! I guess the Lord already knew we didn't really NEED taco potatoes! ?

I still have my first Old Scofield Bible! ? Got it for my ninth birthday 51 years ago this coming Tuesday. Since my dad was a "cobbler" he rebound it back in the late 1970s.

Tonight I made a meatloaf, green beans, and black-eyed peas! We have this at least twice a month. We've got neopolitan ice cream for dessert. Tomorrow I'm planning on making taco potatoes.

I'm a layman/licensed preacher. When I was pastoring, if I didn't know the answer I always would tell the person to give me a few days to researcht the subject and what the Bible says. They were almost always willing to do so with very few exceptions. When they wouldn't wait, we'd study the subject together for a few hours. This seemed to work out quite well for me, and for them as well. Over the years, though, I have tried to study as much as I could on subjects that most pastors have mentioned that they've been confronted with. I would NEVER try to tell a congregant that I knew it all. It would be dishonest, and if they wanted an immediate response, they'd possibly, if I didn't know anything or very little on the subject matter, be getting an incorrect response.

Most? I haven't seen this, or known this to be the case. Blanket statements like this aren't productive OR honest!

Care to be more specific??

Though I've stated here that I used to be KJVO growing up, and now am KJV preferred, I don't limit what version God can use in making his disciples, and in bringing people to the saving knowledge of himself. To say that "this version is wrong/not a Bible" is, in my opinion, tantamount to saying that the Holy Spirit is making a mistake in having people come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ through its use. I'm not saying these other translations are the best, but I am saying I, personally, am not going to be the one to tell a preacher which way he believes the Holy Spirit has led him in which translation to use. Others here are free to do so if they wish...that's between them and the Lord.