Hugh_Flower

Define “desire to have more”. Also, it’s your flesh, the Devil can influence but ultimately it’s you who wants what you don’t have.

Hmm, Jerry when you mean Salvation, are we also talking about Jews going into Abraham’s bosom? Cause going into there I would disagree… But being freed from there, into Heaven, I would agree is Jesus Christ giving them salvation. Only reason I say this - Jews had no way of Knowing who/why they would be free other than knowing that their Lord their God is a loving God that wants to be with them. But the actual work of being liberated from this place of death would of had to of been by Christ. Psalm 18 for reference.

It’s harder to find Christians in the world living the image of Christ period. Find your self a good church and you won’t struggle finding Christians men or woman.

My church has a few a month

Nope it’s definitely not sin for either one Jerry. Both are substances that may have cultural importance, and both can be abused. They are both addictive and may require a more precautious eye if a Christian wishes to steward his body more properly.

I don’t see much of a difference between caffeine and tobacco use.

Yeah we should stop using caffeine to

Pre incarnate Christ angel can be used to to mean ‘appearance’

Well yeah, people DO that, and that’s a pretty reoccurring theme in Church History

Yes as Christians, but for those unsaved, why isn’t this a big deal to them ?

Wow. How does this not freak anyone out?

I agree, I’ve been taught for awhile ( and it makes sense to me ) that Angels where possibly created between verse 1 and 2, now I know most people won’t want to agree with this but to me it makes the most sense.

Right but Nehemiah does not provide a Chronology

It does seem like the Angels where already worshipping the Lord before the the foundations as they where there present when he did create them. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is Heaven here would not be the third Heaven

Just want to point out that Hebrews 1:14 is just declaring a service they provide for our Lord ( Ministering to those who will be heirs of salvation ), but this does not Imply this was the reason the where created. Now in my opinion (and I bet we could prove this out through scripture) all the angels where created to give Glory to God and to worship him, and ministering to his will. I think Hebrews 1:14 would just be a part of their service to him. In that fashion Angels could be pre-existing to our world.