Seeing : Salvation

[Behold]

Reader,

When a person hears the "Gospel", as, "faith comes by hearing" ... then this faith is proof something happened in the heart of the Believer that God SEES... as "God sees the heart"
And what is that, that God sees that has happened inside you?

God sees your "repentance" ....that is of the kind that God accepts, and that is not repenting from sin....but its repenting from UNBELIEF.

See, God is not looking for people who are willing to "clean up"... as = ""Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS"

See that Reader?

God is looking for FAITH IN CHRIST...and then God will clean you ............So, God is looking for FAITH.....as that proves you have repented from your UNBELIEF.... and God takes that FAITH, and accepts that one time FAITH = forever..... and then He does this...

A.) He takes ALL your sin, and puts it on Jesus,

"God hath made Jesus to be SIN for us".... = as if Jesus is YOU THE SINNER, and then Christ dies on the Cross, for ALL YOUR SIN..

and then,,.

God takes that Righteous LIFE that Jesus LIVED.. and God gives it to you... "imputs it".. ."charges it to you", as if you lived it all your life.

This is to become "a New Creation, In Christ".

See that?
That is : SALVATiON....

Its Jesus becoming our wrong and our sin, and us, = through God's Grace.... God gives us His own RIGHTEOUSNESS, as if we were always righteous, and will always be.. RIGHTEOUS. = to become BORN AGAIN.

This is the "imputed righteousness" that God gives you the INSTANT you trusted in Christ, and you remain "made righteous".. having become "the righteousness of God, in Christ".... = FOREVER.

Welcome to : Salvation

Its a "GIFT"..... an Eternal Gift.

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Reader

Let me simplify it even more..


God is Holy and we are not.

So, for God to have us, is for God to join Himself to us : Spiritually.

See, "God is A Spirit" and we are a spirit in a body that is not connected to God because our SIN does not allow God to have spiritual union with us.

So, See the 2 fold issue?

1.) You have to become as RIGHTEOUS as God, before HOLY RIGHTEOUS God, can join Himself to you, so that you become BORN AGAIN SPIRITUALLY.

2.) Your SIN is blocking God from having you rejoined to Him in "Spiritual Union".

So, GOD had to solve = these 2 issues for you, as you can't deal with your own sin, and you can't become righteous.


A.) God became a man to die for all your sin, so that He can then give you HIS Righteousness.

And that is what happens when you go to God with Faith in Christ.

God takes the Blood and Death of Jesus and makes you sinless, as "Jesus is the ONE TIME... Eternal SACRIFICE for SIN"

AND then, once your SIN is dealt with by the BLOOD and DEATH of Jesus........as He has now died for them all..... God then gives you "the Gift of Righteousness" that is "The Gift of Salvation".

See that?

That is to become BORN AGAIN... as a "new Creation".. "in Christ". AS = "ONE with GOD".

See how simple that is, yet how amazing is this Gift of Salvation?

Jesus dies for your sin so that God can now give you His RIGHTEOUSNESS... and then He can Join Himself to you, as you have now and forever... become..

AA.) = "The Righteousness ... OF GOD...... IN Christ".

This is to be BORN AGAIN.. as a "SON/Daughter of God". A "new Creation".. "in Christ".

ing is this Gift of Salvation?

Jesus dies for your sin so that God can now give you His RIGHTEOUSNESS... and then He can Join Himself to you, as you have now and forever... become..

AA.) = "The Righteousness ... OF GOD...... IN Christ".

This is to be BORN AGAIN.. as a "SON/Daughter of God". A "new Creation".. "in Christ".

Edited April 18 by Behold

[Jerry]

Actually, you are dead wrong and teaching falsehood. The Bible teaches repentance from sin and repentance are both necessary for faith. Again, with the straw men. Repentance is not cleaning up your life - it is changing your mind about your sin and turning from it in your heart. If it is true repentance, it WILL reflect in the life - but the changed life is the result of true repentance, not the repentance itself.

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

If repentance was turning from unbelief, then that verse above would not make sense: believe so you can believe.

Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

Luke 17:3-4 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Oh, it's ok, brother, you sinned against me, but now you believe, so we are all good (though you never made that sin right, hm).

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

God is not going to wipe away your sin until you repent of that sin.

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Hm, same idea here.

Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 8:22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.

Repent of your UNBel... wait, wickedness!

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Um, believe and believe?

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

2 Corinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.

Here, Paul is talking to believers - but the word means the same, and it is not repent of unbelief, but of specific sins.

Revelation 2:21-22 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

Revelation 9:20-21 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Six examples of UNBELIEF they were to repent of!! Oh wait, those are examples of specific sins... Doh!!

[Behold]

1 hour ago, Jerry said:

 The Bible teaches repentance from sin and repentance are both necessary for faith.

What you wrote does not even make sense as a sentence, so, it certainly can't be found as sound theology.

So, God requires that we give to Him, our faith in Christ.  As that is to repent from Unbelief, and that is the TRUE Repentance that God accepts.

Remember..

'Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS"......... and you qualified......same as us all.

1 hour ago, Jerry said:

 

Six examples of UNBELIEF they were to repent of!! Oh wait, those are examples of specific sins... Doh!!

Just stay here...

A.) God became a man to die for all your sin, so that He can then give you HIS Righteousness.

And that is what happens when you go to God with Faith in Christ.

God takes the Blood and Death of Jesus and makes you sinless, as "Jesus is the ONE TIME... Eternal SACRIFICE for SIN"

AND then, once your SIN is dealt with by the BLOOD and DEATH of Jesus........as He has now died for them all..... God then gives you "the Gift of Righteousness" that is "The Gift of Salvation".

See that?

That is to become BORN AGAIN... as a "new Creation".. "in Christ". AS = "ONE with GOD".

Edited April 18 by Behold

[Jerry]

All those passages above show repentance from sin. You can throw them out if it doesn't fit your theology - but that doesn't make your theology true.

[Behold]

46 minutes ago, Jerry said:

All those passages above show repentance from sin. You can throw them out 

 

Only "throw it out" if you are trying to offer it to God to be accepted by God.

For example..

"God, i'll promise to stop sinning............will you save me now'"" ?????

See that?

"God says"  =  NO I WONT, as that is not my GRACE. and you are "saved by Grace", or you are not saved at all.

 

Edited April 18 by Behold

[Behold]

Jesus IS GOD'S Grace

Jesus IS Eternal Life

Jesus Is THE Truth

Jesus is THE Resurrection

Jesus is Redemption

 

Q.) Are you Born.....again.........and not just water baptized and Religious?

 

If you are born again, then "Christ in YOU, the Hope of Glory" (Glory is Heaven).

Now see that list?

A.) If you are born again, then you are "IN CHRIST" and you have all of that as your : SALVATiON

Edited April 20 by Behold

[MikeWatson1]

Yeah, repentance in terms of turning from sins can happen after conversion,  but before conversion people are dead in sin.

I agree with acknowledging you are a sinner and believing on the Lord Jesus Christ, but not acknowledging you are a sinner and promising good behaviour or committing to good behaviour before getting saved.

'Committing your life to Christ '  'making Jesus Lord of your life'

Both great and Godly initiatives, but they are things that if were part of salvation would be a 'quid pro quo' agreement. 

I believe you can commit your life to Christ after conversion.  Same with making Him Lord of your life. 

But in regards to Jerry's passages he put in... I think it is the context around them that would show they aren't trying to clean their life up before conversion .

On 4/19/2024 at 2:53 AM, Jerry said:

Actually, you are dead wrong and teaching falsehood. The Bible teaches repentance from sin and repentance are both necessary for faith. Again, with the straw men. Repentance is not cleaning up your life - it is changing your mind about your sin and turning from it in your heart. If it is true repentance, it WILL reflect in the life - but the changed life is the result of true repentance, not the repentance itself.

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

If repentance was turning from unbelief, then that verse above would not make sense: believe so you can believe.

Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

Luke 17:3-4 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Oh, it's ok, brother, you sinned against me, but now you believe, so we are all good (though you never made that sin right, hm).

Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

God is not going to wipe away your sin until you repent of that sin.

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Hm, same idea here.

Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 8:22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.

Repent of your UNBel... wait, wickedness!

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Um, believe and believe?

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

2 Corinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.

Here, Paul is talking to believers - but the word means the same, and it is not repent of unbelief, but of specific sins.

Revelation 2:21-22 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

Revelation 9:20-21 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Six examples of UNBELIEF they were to repent of!! Oh wait, those are examples of specific sins... Doh!!

Change your mind, heart and believe the gospel..that is unbelief to belief. 

[SGO]

Mr. Behold, please cite scripture references to prove your points.

Edited April 22 by SGO

[Behold]

On 4/21/2024 at 1:48 PM, MikeWatson1 said:

 

Change your mind, heart and believe the gospel..that is unbelief to belief. 

 

Exactly.. as that is the repentance that God is looking for....

We know that "Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS">. ... and we find those Religious Fakirs who are trying to pretend they aren't because they can stop for 15 or 20 mins.....and want to offer this to God as Cain offered some veggies and was told by God to "get out".

People who understand the Blood Atonement, understand that God came  down here, wrapped in human flesh, to offer HIMSELF  a Body as His entire Eternal Salvation SACRIFICE.......=  that is our only forgiveness and Justification.

John 14:6

Edited April 23 by Behold

[Joe Chandler]

On 4/18/2024 at 10:53 AM, Jerry said:

Actually, you are dead wrong and teaching falsehood. The Bible teaches repentance from sin and repentance are both necessary for faith. Again, with the straw men. Repentance is not cleaning up your life - it is changing your mind about your sin and turning from it in your heart. If it is true repentance, it WILL reflect in the life - but the changed life is the result of true repentance, not the repentance itself.

What do you expect from a poster who lists his religion as "other". 

[TheGloryLand]

1 hour ago, Joe Chandler said:

What do you expect from a poster who lists his religion as "other". 

It is convenient to say other. We must repent of our evil ways and follow the leader. Which is the Holy Spirit that always point us to Jesus Christ, those that are born again, Saved. One time for salvation, then later when we slip in sin, we repent for the flesh is weak daily. When we die, we will be removed from this sinful body. No more repentance will be needed. I know you, know this.