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Members BrotherTony Posted March 13 Members Posted March 13 2 hours ago, Behold said: I had a couple of pastor friends of mine listen to this song. Yes, it's a catchy tune, but, though the song does mention the name of God, to them, and I have to agree with them, it seemed like it was taken somewhat lightly/in vain, and the song had nothing to do with Christianity. Quote
Members Behold Posted March 13 Author Members Posted March 13 (edited) 9 hours ago, BrotherTony said: I had a couple of pastor friends of mine listen to this song. Yes, it's a catchy tune, but, though the song does mention the name of God, to them, and I have to agree with them, it seemed like it was taken somewhat lightly/in vain, and the song had nothing to do with Christianity. - @BrotherTony I appreciate your opinion, and those of your pastor friends, whatever that means. You are welcome to name the chruches that your "pastor friends" rule, so that the members here can check out what is what.... And also. I recall that many years ago when i was a baby believer, and i listened to "christian" music, .. i was very dogmatic, as this is always the "new believer", mind, .. and if the song didnt have the world "Jesus" in it, in every line, then i wondered how it could be considered " Christian".. .So, i do understand your Thinking.... @BrotherTony. Now However, im a mature believer, and ive been teaching Pauline Theology since '1991... And along the way ive learned that regarding music, = lyrics, some people write about the New Birth experience, in a more obtuse way, more veiled, as for them this is a higher level of songcraft and "art". Let me show you what i mean.. Now Jon's Lyrics are all about the old man of sin dying, and the new creation in Christ, becoming him... And he relates this to a "desert in bloom" and a Butterfly leaving the "chrysalis" (Thats a cocoon).... . Now let me reveal some of the lyrics to you, and you can explain them to your "pastor friends'> Notice.. """""My broken history decomposes But it's a part of me that's pushing up roses""""" Now see that? The "broken history decomposes" .. that is the old man who is crucified with Christ.... its gone and we are to "reckon it dead" KJV..... And Jon writes..... "it's a part of me, that is pushing up roses".... .so, that means its dead..... and that is to "reckon the old man dead". So, see how Jon is using very figurative (symbolic) language to describe Paul's Theology? Notice this verse... """"I see the chrysalis going through changes But every transformation comes in phases"""" So, here Jon is writing symbolically again, and these "transformations" are how the Believer Grows in Grace, or as Paul teaches.. "is changed from Glory to Glory"... KJV Now @BrotherTony.. let me give you one more.... Jon writes.. """"The light that you seek is seeking you Let the dead seed go and watch it grow brand-new""""" See that "light" that is seeking you? That is "Jesus who is the Light of the World, came into the world to save sinners"... KJV And "dead Seed"... Well, that is "FAITH"< being explained as dead seed.. And why? ?Its because all seed is dead, until its made alive . And our FAITH, is just a feeling, and a hope, and a trust, until our "Faith is counted as Rightesounes", KJV. See that?? That is God taking our faith (seed) and making it COME ALIVE.... And what is "NEW"... ??? """That is the NEW Creation in Christ."""...KJV So, as im showing you... Jon's lyrics are very profound and symbolic... and if you own a KJV< you might notice that Jesus often spoke enormous Truths, as veiled parables and symbolic stories. And often, smart and mature believers, who write songs, do this as well, and its good for us to consider their lyrics, as often they can give us a more panoramic (Spiritual/Discerning) view, vs, a closed minded one. -B Edited March 13 by Behold Quote
Members BrotherTony Posted March 13 Members Posted March 13 7 minutes ago, Behold said: - @BrotherTony I appreciate your opinion, and those of your pastor friends, whatever that means. Well, I guess comprehension is NOT your strong suit. Thank you for clarifying that for me. 7 minutes ago, Behold said: You are welcome to name the chruches that your "pastor friends" rule, so that we can check out what is what.... Old ploy...care to try again? 7 minutes ago, Behold said: And also. I recall that many years ago when i was a baby believer, and i listened to "christian" music, .. i was very dogmatic, as this is always the "new believer", mind, .. and if the song didnt have the world "Jesus" in it, in every line, then i wondered how it could be considered " Christian".. .So, i do understand your Thinking.... @BrotherTony. Apparently you understood nothing. Again, comprehension is a good thing. I'm far from a "baby" Christian, and I have dealt with music for most of my 62 years. I have nowhere intimated that Jesus had to be mentioned in every line. I did however mention that the use of "God" in the song was in the form of common slang among the world. 7 minutes ago, Behold said: Now However, im a mature believer, and ive been teaching Pauline Theology since '1991... And along the way ive learned that regarding music, = lyrics, some people write about the New Birth experience, in a more obtuse way, more veiled, as for them this is a higher level of songcraft and "art". Having written music for many years I am sure I know as much or more about music, lyrics and composition than you. As to your "maturity" as a Christian, if you have to continuously place yourself on a pedestal looking down on others shows you have no humility, and definitely no business telling others anything until you remove that huge log from your own eye. And really, again with the worship of Paul... I have been preaching and teaching since the middle 70s, and 42 years of that in churches across the country. 7 minutes ago, Behold said: Let me show you what i mean.. Now Jon's Lyrics are all about the old man of sin dying, and the new creation in Christ, becoming him... And he relates this to a "desert in bloom" and a Butterfly leaving the "chrysalis" (Thats a cocoon).... . Now let me reveal some of the lyrics to you, and you can explain them to your "pastor friends'> Notice.. """""My broken history decomposes But it's a part of me that's pushing up roses""""" Now see that? The "broken history decomposes" .. that is the old man who is crucified with Christ.... its gone and we are to "reckon it dead" KJV..... And Jon writes..... "it's a part of me, that is pushing up roses".... .so, that means its dead..... and that is to "reckon the old man dead". So, see how Jon is using very figurative language to describe Paul's Theology? Notice this verse... """"I see the chrysalis going through changes But every transformation comes in phases"""" So, here Jon is writing symbolically again, and these "transformations" are how the Believer Grows in Grace, or as Paul teaches.. "is changed from Glory to Glory"... KJV Now @BrotherTony.. let me give you one more.... Jon writes.. """"The light that you seek is seeking you Let the dead seed go and watch it grow brand-new""""" See that "light" that is seeking you? That is "Jesus who is the Light of the World, came into the world to save sinners"... KJV So, as im showing you... Jon's lyrics are very profound and symbolic... and if you own a KJV< you might notice that Jesus often spoke enormous Truths, as veiled parables and stories. And often, smart and mature believers, who write songs, do this as well, and its good for us to consider their lyrics, as often they can give us a more panoramic view, vs, a closed minded one. -B 7 minutes ago, Behold said: Brother Tony said:This song was so vaguely worded with no true spiritual leaning, just like most of the CCM of the last 50 years. It could have very easily been sung by some country music artist here in Nashville. My baby brother has been in the entertainment industry for the last 30 years in Cincinnati. He would dissect this song in a heartbeat as just another "feel good, no message" song that it is...at least when it comes to trying to put it forth as a Christian song. As has been told you by another here, we are to earnestly contend for the faith and not let "a little leaven" enter. Have a nice day. BT Napsterdad 1 Quote
Members Behold Posted March 13 Author Members Posted March 13 (edited) 25 minutes ago, BrotherTony said: Well, I guess comprehension is NOT your strong suit. And ive noted that according to your posts to me... being honest along with bible study is not yours. Want to prove it again? Then fire away. 26 minutes ago, BrotherTony said: Having written music for many years I am sure I know as much or more about music, lyrics and composition than you. If that is true, then its interesting that you had no idea what Jon Foreman was writing about in his Song "Desert in Blood". ]This is why i had to explain it to you, as you were so confused by the lyrics that you had to find some "pastors" to try to figure it out. Edited March 13 by Behold Quote
Members BrotherTony Posted March 13 Members Posted March 13 5 minutes ago, Behold said: And ive noted that according to your posts to me... being honest along with bible study is not yours. Want to prove it again? Then fire away. If that is true, then its interesting that you had no idea what Jon Foreman was writing about in his Song "Desert in Blood". ]This is why i had to explain it to you, as you were so confused by the lyrics that you had to find some "pastors" to try to figure it out. I'm well aware of what was being expected. I've been 100 percent honest. I can't say the same of you. This is the third FALSE accusation directed towards me, and believe me the next one will go much further than just between you and I. That's a promise. Quote
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Members Behold Posted March 13 Author Members Posted March 13 (edited) - ----------------------Here are the LYRICS...//.........- There's a name that levels mountains It carves out highways through the sea And I've seen its power unravel battles Right in front of me .. Oh, there's a faith that stands defiant It sends Goliath to his knees And I've seen as praise unravelled shackles Right off my feet (come on) 'Cause that's the power of Your Name And just a mention makes a way Giants fall and strongholds break And there is healing And that's the power that I claim It's the same that rolled the grave And there's no power like the mighty Name of Jesus .. (No power like the Name) (Come on, there's a hope) Oh, there's a hope that calls out courage And in the furnace unafraid The kind of daring expectation That every prayer I make Is on an empty grave And that's the power of Your Name Just a mention makes a way Giants fall and strongholds break And there is healing That's the power that I claim It's the same that rolled the grave And there's no power like the mighty Name of Jesus There's no power like the mighty Name of Jesus 'Cause I see You taking ground Oh, I see You press ahead And Your power is dangerous to the enemy's camp You still do miracles You will do what You said For You're the same God now as You've always been Your Spirit breaking out Your kingdom moving in Your victory claims the ground that the enemy had You still do miracles And You will do what You said For You're the same God now as You've always been And that's the power of Your Name Just a mention makes a way Giants fall and strongholds break And there is healing Oh, that's the power that I claim It's the same that rolled the grave And there's no power like the mighty Name of Jesus There's no power like the mighty Name of Jesus There's no power like the mighty Name of Jesus - ----------------Here are the Lyrics.... - You were the Word at the beginning One with God the Lord Most High Your hidden glory in creation Now revealed in You our Christ Chorus 1 What a beautiful Name it is What a beautiful Name it is The Name of Jesus Christ my King What a beautiful Name it is Nothing compares to this What a beautiful Name it is The Name of Jesus Verse 2 You didn’t want heaven without us So Jesus You brought heaven down My sin was great Your love was greater What could separate us now Chorus 2 What a wonderful Name it is What a wonderful Name it is The Name of Jesus Christ my King What a wonderful Name it is Nothing compares to this What a wonderful Name it is The Name of Jesus What a wonderful Name it is The Name of Jesus Bridge Death could not hold You The veil tore before You You silence the boast of sin and grave The heavens are roaring The praise of Your glory For You are raised to life again You have no rival You have no equal Now and forever God You reign Yours is the kingdom Yours is the glory Yours is the Name above all names Chorus 3 What a powerful Name it is What a powerful Name it is The Name of Jesus Christ my King What a powerful Name it is Nothing can stand against What a powerful Name it is The Name of Jesus Tags What a powerful Name it is The Name of Jesus What a powerful Name it is The Name of Jesus Edited March 13 by Behold Quote
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