Calvinism is an incorrect understanding of soteriology

[Behold]

On 3/7/2024 at 7:39 PM, BrotherTony said:

There's a lot of problems with people who psint everything and everyone into their preconceived groups. I told you why as well. This place has seen it's incoming of gung ho armchair theologians such as yourself.

Ive not posted very much Theology.

So, once i do, if i do, then you might post regarding it.

Till then, you are one more who finger points, because its your nature.

On 3/7/2024 at 2:05 PM, Jerry said:

Maybe - but you are never going to arrive at the truth in any discussion by blurring the lines of truth and error, hence the clarification.

 

If all you can do is falsely insinuate then how can we have a discussion?

See you posted a lie, and didnt even use a Quote.

Why? Because that is your nature.

So, if you want me to discuss anything with you, then start by being honest, and just ask a question.

[BrotherTony]

15 minutes ago, Behold said:

Ive not posted very much Theology.

So, once i do, if i do, then you might post regarding it.

Till then, you are one more who finger points, because its your nature.

 

If all you can do is falsely insinuate then how can we have a discussion?

See you posted a lie, and didnt even use a Quote.

Why? Because that is your nature.

So, if you want me to discuss anything with you, then start by being honest, and just ask a question.

You like to talk about things being in people's nature's. We see what yours is, and we find your description in Scripture.... false accuser of the brethren...care to be a bit more honest and civil?

[Behold]

3 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

You like to talk about things being in people's nature's.

 

No, what I did with you and regarding the other one who is just like you, is that i  pointed out what you did, as per your post.

You dont have to like it, but you do have to wear it.

Now, i'll tell you again... 

If you want to have a discussion with me, then put your finger away, and behave in a cordial manner and just ask me a question.

Its really that simple. @BrotherTony

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[BrotherTony]

2 minutes ago, Behold said:

 

No, what I did with you and regarding the other one who is just like you, is that i  pointed out what you did, as per your post.

You dont have to like it, but you do have to wear it.

Now, i'll tell you again... 

If you want to have a discussion with me, then put your finger away, and behave in a cordial manner and just ask me a question.

Its really that simple. @BrotherTony

I can guarantee you that if you continue on the path that you're taking addressing other posters here you might find your tenure here short lived. So far the only one posting lies here is you. You are the only one acting less than cordial. 

[Behold]

20 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

I can guarantee you that if you continue on the path that you're taking addressing other posters here you might find your tenure here short lived. 

Here is how we can make that happen, as you would hope....

Just keep falsely accusing me. @BrotherTony

 

Now i'll tell you again.. Get Off the finger pointing and the threats.

Behave Cordially, and just ask me a question.

a Theological question would be appropriate, and if you do, then avoid eschatology questions.., as that's an invite to a rabbit trail and im not interested.

Now, if you can't do that, then i CAN post a few Threads and you can respond to those, as that is really what needs to happen.

It's actually why im here.

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[BrotherTony]

7 minutes ago, Behold said:

Here is how we can make that happen, as you would hope....

Just keep falsely accusing me. @BrotherTony

 

Now i'll tell you again.. Get Off the finger pointing and the threats.

Behave Cordially, and just ask me a question.

a Theological question would be good, and if you do, then avoid eschatology questions.., as that's an invite to a rabbit trail and im not interested.

No threat. It's not my place to threaten. But, I have been here for several years now and I have seen your kind come and go. I've behaved as cordially as a I am going to. Jerry and I are nothing alike, and he himself can tell you that. I can tell you that neither he nor I are liars. Nor do we usually mess with those who call us liars. We let the moderators and administrators handle things. You might want to acqaint yourself with the rules of this site. 

There's no need for me to ask you any questions. Your posts have shown us all we need to know. Have a nice weekend.

[Behold]

5 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

No threat. It's not my place to threaten. But, I have been here for several years now and I have seen your kind

 

First of all ... Im not a "kind"

So, i'll ask you again.. @BrotherTony

"Be Cordial" and get off the INSULTS..... and ask me a theological  question, if you want to have a discussion.

[BrotherTony]

28 minutes ago, Behold said:

 

First of all ... Im not a "kind"

So, i'll ask you again.. @BrotherTony

"Be Cordial" and get off the INSULTS..... and ask me a theological  question, if you want to have a discussion.

First,You are going to find with your attitude few here are going to want to converse with you. Second, you're not asking anything. You're basically commanding us. Thirdly, there's no basis for discussion as YOU have not laid out anything that you would like to discuss. Is that you Ray?

[Behold]

6 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

First,You are going to find with your attitude few here are going to want to converse with you. Second, you're not asking anything. You're basically commanding us. 

 

Apparently you need to hear yourself talk, as you keep coming to me, and saying the same thing.

Listen, i invited you to ask me a question, 3x.

I invtied you to be "cordial" and you have yet to try that... even once.

So, If that was possible for you to do, you would have done so.

Now, im going to leave your noise.. to you..., and in the future, do realize @BrotherTony... that  i am available if you want to discuss the Scriptures (tho not eschatology).

 

-Shalom

 

-B

[BrotherTony]

10 minutes ago, Behold said:

Apparently you need to hear yourself talk, as you keep coming to me, and saying the same thing.

Listen, i invited you to ask me a question, 3x.

I invtied you to be "cordial" and you have yet to try that... even once.

So, If that was possible for you to do, you would have done so.

Now, im going to leave your noise.. to you..., and in the future, do realize @BrotherTony... that  i am available if you want to discuss the Scriptures (tho not eschatology).

 

-Shalom

 

-B

It's always funny to see someone use the same tactics your are using to try and make themselves out to be the "victim." You've not "invited" me to do anything First lie. You didn't "invite" me to be cordial. You TOLD me...you simply don't seem to have a great grasp of the English language. You've come to these forums calling people liars, have tried to instigate fights, etc. So, "kind" (type) is actually what you are. I've named you justly. This thread needs to get back to it's heading...Calvinism, as untasteful as the subject is. 

[Pastor Matt]

On 3/4/2024 at 12:25 PM, Behold said:

Find a believer. (any will do), and ask them..... = in person.

"Are you a CHRISTIAN". ???????

And they will say...>"Yes, im a Baptist, Yes im a Catholic, Yes im a Methodist....,Yes Im a Assembly of God... Yes im a Mormom..

Nothing unbiblical with the term denomination and of course Denomination does not equal Salvation, it's just a set of theological beliefs. What is your definition of Denomination? I think you are confused by the definition of denomination. 

 

[Pastor Matt]

@Behold I think Jerry summed it up perfectly below. Can you show from Scripture where you believe he is in error?

 

[Behold]

2 hours ago, Pastor Matt said:

@Behold I think Jerry summed it up perfectly below. Can you show from Scripture where you believe he is in error?

 

 

I teach that John Calvinism is a cancer on the body of Christ.  I teach this worldwide, including on many other "christian"  forums.

I explain that Calvin was theologically insane, as his theology insults the Grace of God, and blasphemes the Cross of Christ, mainly  by "limiting atonement" regarding  his TULIP nonsense  ="pre-destined teaching.

Calvin was a devil, and.,,,  any real student of Paul's Doctrine, will recognize this in about 1.3 seconds.

Also, i teach that the "cult of Mary" also insults God's Grace and denies the finished work of Jesus on the Cross by teaching from THEIR Douay Rheims demonic bible that we are "Born again.... BY water".

And that is absolutely a Hebrews 13:9 "doctrine of Devils".

So, If i can be of further service to you, @Pastor Matt, regarding either of these Satanic Theologies, im happy to share more.

 

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[MikeWatson1]

I think many Calvinists have the right intention of wanting salvation to be 100 percent from God, and not our doing. 

This is where I personally wonder whether they've got it right. But then I look at what they do with predestination and who actually gets 'chosen', and it's way off beam.

[Jerry]

Salvation being 100% of God doesn’t negate man’s response - and that’s where they get it wrong. The Holy Spirit enlightens us to the truth; convicts us of our sin, our unrighteousness, and our need for the Saviour, enables us to understand the truth of who Jesus is and what He has done to save us, and shows us that salvation is not something that can be earned through anything we can do. Man responds either positively or negatively to this. If we receive the truth by receiving the Saviour and His free gift of salvation, the Holy Spirit then regenerates and indwells us, we are adopted into the family of God, given an inheritance in Christ and a future home in Heaven. That’s all by His grace - but we need to receive it, and God doesn’t force man to believe or be saved. That is up to us - and yes, He even calls and compels us - but we still need to receive the Gospel to be saved.