Ohio Pastor Shot and Killed

[Jim_Alaska]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dayton-ohio-pastor-shot-killed-at-pulpit-while-choir-sang/

[Rosie]

[John81]

The headline says the pastor was shot while at the pulpit but in the body of the story it says he was shot in his office. The news I heard on the radio this morning also says he was shot in his office while the choir was practicing. They also said the pastor's brother had a history of mental illness.

A sad situation but thanks be to God, if the pastor was born again in Christ we have the assurance that absent from the body means present with the Lord.

May the pastor's brother yet have the opportunity to turn to Christ.

[Invicta]

Thank God that our country is not awash with guns.  It doesn't mean that there are not murders, but relatively few by guns.  Some people are trying to change that, though.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35690189

[Ronda]

The gun is not the culprit. The evil/murderous hatred of the killer is what led to the killing. Those who are intent on killing will find a way to do it, whether it be by gun knife, sword, bomb, or any number of means/methods.  The result is the same.

Saying that the gun is responsible is like saying a spoon is responsible for making a person obese. An hungry person will use a fork, a cup, or their hands to eat with should a spoon be taken away from them. The result is the same.

Personally I am thankful that this country still upholds the personal right to keep and bear arms. I would not want to have to depend upon a policeman alone to help me should an intruder break in. By the time the police arrived I would long be murdered.  If the government makes guns illegal, then the criminals will still find ways to procure them (as they do now illegally). It will just leave countless law-abiding people defenseless when a predator comes to do harm. That's my 2 cent anyways. 

[John81]

It doesn't matter if a gun, knife, club, bomb, bare hands or what means is used to commit murder, the murdered is still dead.

The problem is sin and the only remedy is salvation in Christ.

[Invicta]

On 2/29/2016 at 11:31 PM, Ronda said:

The gun is not the culprit. The evil/murderous hatred of the killer is what led to the killing. Those who are intent on killing will find a way to do it, whether it be by gun knife, sword, bomb, or any number of means/methods.  The result is the same.

Saying that the gun is responsible is like saying a spoon is responsible for making a person obese. An hungry person will use a fork, a cup, or their hands to eat with should a spoon be taken away from them. The result is the same.

Personally I am thankful that this country still upholds the personal right to keep and bear arms. I would not want to have to depend upon a policeman alone to help me should an intruder break in. By the time the police arrived I would long be murdered.  If the government makes guns illegal, then the criminals will still find ways to procure them (as they do now illegally). It will just leave countless law-abiding people defenseless when a predator comes to do harm. That's my 2 cent anyways. 

Well it would in your country because it is awash with guns.  You would be unlikely to be able to get rid of all of them.  I have never had a gun.  Our police don't have guns, except for special squads, my neighbours don't have guns,  Yet I feel safe.  

If you live in a country with a gun culture, you have to rely on being a better or faster shot than any criminal at the time they are criminalizing and that may not always be the case at the time.  

I would not feel safe in your country, which is one reason I would never visit it..

[wretched]

1 hour ago, Invicta said:

I would not feel safe in your country, which is one reason I would never visit it..

But see, now you will miss out on all our uniquely American cuisine. Such as: Italian, Chinese and Mexican foods, not to mention Thai, Pho and Japanese steakhouses.

[John81]

2 hours ago, Invicta said:

I would not feel safe in your country, which is one reason I would never visit it..

God is as able to keep you just as safe in America as He is in England or anywhere else.

[Invicta]

2 hours ago, wretched said:

But see, now you will miss out on all our uniquely American cuisine. Such as: Italian, Chinese and Mexican foods, not to mention Thai, Pho and Japanese steakhouses.

We get those all over here, apart from the American, unless you mean American Diner, Subway and McDonalds and other such rubbish,.We also have French, Indian, Bangladeshi.

In our town we also have English Oyster Bars and a number of fish restaurants.  Whitstable oysters are reputed to be the best in the world, but as I never eat them it makes no difference to me.

[wretched]

2 hours ago, Invicta said:

We get those all over here, apart from the American, unless you mean American Diner, Subway and McDonalds and other such rubbish,.We also have French, Indian, Bangladeshi.

In our town we also have English Oyster Bars and a number of fish restaurants.  Whitstable oysters are reputed to be the best in the world, but as I never eat them it makes no difference to me.

Oh ok, well can't convince you with food then, HA

[Invicta]

We are only a small town with, according to Trip Adviser, last time I looked we had 82 eating establishments.    But I guess that includes the villages outside. 

If I walk to the bottom of our road. about a quarter to half a mile, and around the corner there is a Bangladeshi /Indian Restaurant called spices.  There was anther about 20 yards further on which was called Fusion Lounge, It was taken over and renamed Raj Bari, but it closed within a few months.  A few years ago it was Italian.  A few yards further there is a Chinese take away and opposite that is a Fish and Chip bar and restaurant called Seven Seas, then you come to the railway bridge and underneath the bridge is a restaurant which opened as the Whistle Stop but now is called The Alimo  but only after  the railway bridge are you in the main shopping area. 

If I start at the far end of the shopping street, there is Harbour Street and the first one I notice is not an eating establishment as such but a little shop capped Sundae Sundae, it is called a seaside store. but it has the most delicious selection of ice cream.  I went in there an he asked what I wanted? I am rather fond  of pistachio.  I said I couldn't he didn't seem to have what I wanted.  He said "Try Me." I said, "Pistachio"   He went searching and said "Not only pistachio, but the best Italian Pistachio."  Sadly soon after that, his wife committed suicide on a railway foot crossing.  On the opposite side of the Road  is a fish and chip shop.  I didn't  realise it was there until a very cold winter day i was on the last bus home at 5.10 pm.  It was a time of very high fuel prices and cold weather.  The bus driver had to take a half hour break and the company had  ordered the drivers to leave their engines off to save fuel.  There was an elderly couple waiting on the bus and they asked the driver if they had time to get fish and chips. He said he would wait for  further along.them.  When it was past time for him to leave, he went to find them.  A few minutes later the wife came back and some time later the husband came back with the driver who was carrying their fish and chips.

Further along is the Tudor Restaurant.  The owner of that committed suicide on the same railway crossing about 2 months after the first. Opposite is Birdies Restaurant which does mainly French food.  The Chef is a member of our church.  A few doors away is another Indian, I can't remember its name.  Somewhere around there is the Invicta Tandoori.  Now we are in High Street.  There is Prezzo one of only two chains I can think of, the other is Wetherspoons.  Opposite is Samphire.  As Samphire is served with fish I suppose ii serves mainly fish.There is Ossies fishbar.  They started in Tankerton. the far end of town and are now expanding/  There is a oyster bar there somewhere and another on the beach  There is a place called Tea and Times.  I thought it meant they let you read their paper while you drank your tea, but I was wrong they also sell newspapers.

There is another Indian, The Star of Bengal.  There are more eating houses which I cannot remember and also a number of pubs which are reputed to do good food but I don't know their names except the Ship Centurion, there are other eating houses can't think of any at present .  

What is all this to do with the OP?  Oh yes.  I can walk down there not much more that a mile and I can be rest assured that no-one I meet or pass has a gun.

Edited March 4, 2016 by Invicta

[John81]

2 hours ago, Invicta said:

What is all this to do with the OP?  Oh yes.  I can walk down there not much more that a mile and I can be rest assured that no-one I meet or pass has a gun.

Yet they may have a knife, club, bomb or other instrument that could cause harm or death.

I live in a small, rural town where most people own guns. Hunting for food is very common here. In my lifetime here no one has been shot or killed by someone with a gun.

[1Timothy115]

On 3/3/2016 at 11:29 AM, Invicta said:

Well it would in your country because it is awash with guns.  You would be unlikely to be able to get rid of all of them.  I have never had a gun.  Our police don't have guns, except for special squads, my neighbours don't have guns,  Yet I feel safe.  

If you live in a country with a gun culture, you have to rely on being a better or faster shot than any criminal at the time they are criminalizing and that may not always be the case at the time.  

I would not feel safe in your country, which is one reason I would never visit it..

You could feel safe in my home.