Where Is The New 'temple' Going To Be Built? Inside The Walls Or Out?

[MountainChristian]

If one sees all the verses quoted above are past tense then there is no way to see a 3^rd Temple. If one sees the Jews as replaced forever in Matthew 21, Mark 12, Luke 20 and the kingdom of God, or the vineyard given to another nation forever, they should not be in the Holy Land. If the Jews build a Temple it will be an reproach to God and must be destroyed again, and they will need to be driven from the land to keep them from repeating the process. If they lost the vineyard forever they should not be a Nation today and should be removed from vineyard, (land).

 

The History of that view

The Romans removed them from the vineyard in 0070 and became the Nation containing the kingdom of God.

 

Justin Martyr who lived until 0165 taught Christians became the race of God replacing the Jews.

 

Origen who lived until 0254 taught the kingdom of God was spiritual, and the kingdom of God had already came. (Matthew 6, Luke 11)

 

Popes disagreed with Origen seeing the Holy Land as the vineyard then the nation that God allows to hold the vineyard would also hold the kingdom. This lead to wars over who would own the land. After going back and forth to only lose the land in the end, they returned to Origen's idea.

 

Martin Luther carried this idea outside of the Catholic church.

 

In modern times, America, Britain, France, Germany, etc all claim to be the Nation containing the kingdom of God and point to their blesses as an example that they own the kingdom. An expatiation of Origen's and Luther's teachings.

 

Currently the Jews own Jerusalem (the vineyard or land) and the orthodox Jews want to build a temple upon the ruins of the one destroyed in 70 AD. Using the Western Wall as a guide they can survey where the original Temples stood. On this important spot sets Al-Aqsa Mosque, to destroy it means all out war with Islam. For over 40 years fear of that greater war has caused Israel to not touch Al-Aqsa Mosque.

 

The talk of a new Temple has increased in the last 40 years with orthodox Jews longing for the Temple. Today Jews are talking about making Judaism their official religion, increasing the odds of building a new Temple. Some are so anxious they are willing to move the Temple from its original spot and share the Temple Mount with the Mosque.

 

Some Christians are longing too, because they see Jesus returning and destroying that Temple and building another one. Jesus living on earth with His headquarters in Jerusalem using His Temple for feasts. The kingdom of God as a real kingdom on earth. (Matthew 6, Luke 11) 

[No Nicolaitans]

There was one built in Egypt.

 

Apparently, you're correct. I investigated this, and there was a temple (of sorts) built in Egypt. I also read that there were two temples built in Egypt.

 

With that said, it's just a sad commentary of the fact that man will do that which is right in his own eyes...even when they think they are trying to please God.

 

God was explicit; in that, after the Jews came into the land, the ONLY place for the temple would be where God would choose...Jerusalem. The pseudo-temples built in Egypt were in direct contradiction to God's word. According to what I read, both were built after they came into the land; therefore, they purposely chose to disOBey God's clear command...whether they had good intentions or not. This just shows me that those who built those pseudo-temples weren't truly devout. They may have been devoted to "something", but it wasn't to God.

[LindaR]

Will The Temple Be Rebuilt?

[Invicta]

There was one built in Egypt.

 

Isaiah 19:19  In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD.

[No Nicolaitans]

Isaiah 19:19  In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD.

 

Isa 19:18-25
18  In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.
19  In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD.
20  And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the LORD because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.
21  And the LORD shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the LORD in that day, and shall do sacrifice and OBlation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the LORD, and perform it.
22  And the LORD shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the LORD, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them.
23  In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.
24  In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:
25  Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

 

That's not a temple. 

[Invicta]

Isa 19:18-25
18  In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.
19  In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD.
20  And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the LORD because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.
21  And the LORD shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the LORD in that day, and shall do sacrifice and OBlation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the LORD, and perform it.
22  And the LORD shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the LORD, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them.
23  In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.
24  In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:
25  Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

 

That's not a temple. 

 

There was a temple built during the reign of one of the Ptolemys, I cant remember which one, by Onais a high priest exile to Egypt about the time of Antiochus.

[No Nicolaitans]

There was a temple built during the reign of one of the Ptolemys, I cant remember which one, by Onais a high priest exile to Egypt about the time of Antiochus.

 

Yes, I realize that. That doesn't make it a true temple though. The TBN folks have built a temple in Orlando, Florida too...and God prOBably looks at it with as much disdain as the one(s) built in Egypt. God would never violate his own word, and he said that the ONLY place for the temple would be where he chose. He chose one place; he put his name there...Jerusalem. That's why I wrote the following...

 

Apparently, you're correct. I investigated this, and there was a temple (of sorts) built in Egypt. I also read that there were two temples built in Egypt.

 

With that said, it's just a sad commentary of the fact that man will do that which is right in his own eyes...even when they think they are trying to please God.

 

God was explicit; in that, after the Jews came into the land, the ONLY place for the temple would be where God would choose...Jerusalem. The pseudo-temples built in Egypt were in direct contradiction to God's word. According to what I read, both were built after they came into the land; therefore, they purposely chose to disOBey God's clear command...whether they had good intentions or not. This just shows me that those who built those pseudo-temples weren't truly devout. They may have been devoted to "something", but it wasn't to God.

 

People can build a temple anywhere they want I guess, but that doesn't mean God approves of it...or blesses it...or even acknowledges it. Why do you suppose that the Jews haven't already built a temple? There are many of them who want one. It's because...even though they are wrong in wanting temple worship...they know what God's word says. The only place for a temple is in Jerusalem on the temple mount (where God told David it would be built)...and until they are able to build one, they wait.

 

As for this future altar in Egypt...that's just an altar; it's not a temple. It's an altar that will be used by the Egyptians...not Israel who are God's chosen people. Many people throughout the Bible built altars, but that didn't make them a temple.

[Genevanpreacher]

"Jerusalem - The city is at present three miles in circumference, and has little altered its situation: for Mount Calvary, which was formally without the walls, stands now in the middle of the city; and Mount Sion, which stood near the center, is now without the walls."  ( Encyclopedia Britannica 1771 edition, vol. 2, pg.832. )

 

Hmm. Wonder where the Temple was then, compared to what they think now?

 

"Jews - When a modern Jew builds an house, he must leave part of it unfurnished, in remembrance that the temple and Jerusalem now lie desolate."  ( Encyclopedia Britannica 1771 edition, vol. 2, pg.833. )

 

Made desolate? Because of the overspreading of abominations no doubt.

 

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the OBlation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." (you know where.)

[No Nicolaitans]

"Jerusalem - The city is at present three miles in circumference, and has little altered its situation: for Mount Calvary, which was formally without the walls, stands now in the middle of the city; and Mount Sion, which stood near the center, is now without the walls."  ( Encyclopedia Britannica 1771 edition, vol. 2, pg.832. )

 

Hmm. Wonder where the Temple was then, compared to what they think now?

 

 

Sir, 

 

All that is saying is that the walls had changed and the city had grown. The temple mount was then...where it is now. It's hard to dismiss those HUGE foundation stones that Herod put in place under the Temple Mount.

 

 

"Jews - When a modern Jew builds an house, he must leave part of it unfurnished, in remembrance that the temple and Jerusalem now lie desolate."  ( Encyclopedia Britannica 1771 edition, vol. 2, pg.833. )

 

Made desolate? Because of the overspreading of abominations no doubt.

 

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the OBlation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." (you know where.)

 

No, just the fulfilment of Jesus Christ's prophecy that not one stone of the temple (that they could see) would be left standing on another; they would be thrown down.

 

I'm thinking that Encyclopedia Brittanica's definition of desolate might differ from God's.

 

We have to ask ourselves, "Who is the HE that shall confirm the covenant?" Is it Christ, or is it someone else? If we look at the previous verse, we will see who the "he" is...

 

Dan 9:26-27
26  And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27  And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the OBlation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

Messiah has been cut off, and another person is mentioned..."the prince" of the people who will destroy the city and the sanctuary. He (the prince of the people that shall destroy the city and the sanctuary) is the one who will confirm the covenant.

 

The view has been brought forward that "he" is the Lord Jesus Christ. The view has also been brought forth that the "he" was General Titus. However, verse 27 flows out of verse 26, and the last person mentioned in verse 26 is "the prince"; therefore, the "he" of verse 27 is continuing with that person...the prince of the people who shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.

 

That leaves us two options...since Jesus Christ wasn't the prince of the Romans.

 

1. "The prince" was General Titus. If so, what covenant did he confirm, and when did he perform the abomination of desolation in the temple?

2. "The prince" is unknown; however, other portions of scripture teach us who this "prince" is...the Antichrist...and this is a still future event that will happen in the rebuilt temple which will be located on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

[LindaR]

I'm not really interested in what the Encyclopedia Britannica has to say about the Jews and Jerusalem.  The Bible says that there will be a third temple rebuilt....IN JERUSALEM on the TEMPLE MOUNT!

[Genevanpreacher]

I'm not really interested in what the Encyclopedia Britannica has to say about the Jews and Jerusalem.  The Bible says that there will be a third temple rebuilt....IN JERUSALEM on the TEMPLE MOUNT!

 

Every reference you posted (from the bible) before did not mention that at all.

[Genevanpreacher]

 

 

 

Here it is. Your references from the Bible. In case you forgot.

 

Your "biblical proof" is lacking a bit.

[LindaR]

It's NOT a NEW TEMPLE.....it's a REBUILT TEMPLE.  There will be third temple rebuilt in order for the "man of sin/perdition"/antichrist to "sit in the TEMPLE OF GOD shewing himself that he is God....." (2 Thess. 2:4)

[No Nicolaitans]

Here it is. Your references from the Bible. In case you forgot.

 

 

Rude and unbecoming.

 

Col 4:6
Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

[LindaR]

Your "biblical proof" is lacking a bit.

Your "biblical proof" is totally lacking....it isn't even there.