Founder Of Westboro Church In Kansas Excommunicated, On Deathbed

[Alimantado]

About ten years or so ago I read an interview he gave and watched a short video clip attached to it.

 

For many years one of my hobbies was studying communism and as an aside learned to ferret them out.

 

But you don't need to 'ferret out' someone who's an 'avowed communist', because 'avowed' means that they've made a public declaration of the thing. So an 'avowed communist' is someone who's stood up and said publicly 'I am a communist' or 'I am a member of the communist party' or something like that. You are saying that Phelps has done this, so are you saying that it was in the interview you read that he specifically said he was a communist?

[swathdiver]

But you don't need to 'ferret out' someone who's an 'avowed communist', because 'avowed' means that they've made a public declaration of the thing. So an 'avowed communist' is someone who's stood up and said publicly 'I am a communist' or 'I am a member of the communist party' or something like that. You are saying that Phelps has done this, so are you saying that it was in the interview you read that he specifically said he was a communist?

 

Your Honor, I have no recollection of that.

 

I remember reading it in an interview and seeing him talk about it on a video, the other details are lost.  Someone asked before and I tried to look it up again but it's not there anymore, just like a lot of things that go away if certain people don't want them there.  Maybe someone with a subscription to Lexus-Nexus could find it?  It doesn't really matter now, the man is not here anymore.

[HappyChristian]

Actually, the only reference I could find to Phelps being a Communist was in Landover - the stupid parody site that mocks everything.  I don't believe Phelps was an avowed Communist. The current Democrat Party (here in the US, Carl) seems to be working hand-in-glove with Communism/Socialism, so if one is a member of that party, it makes one suspect.  Especially if that one runs for office as a Democrat and claiming to be a Christian at the same time - knowing what the Dem party stands for (pro-abortion, pro-sodomy, etc) and the Bible stands against.  Granted, the GOP is following closely behind, but isn't there yet.

 

Phelps had a lot of problems, both politically and biblically.  But I would hesitate to call him an "avowed" Communist.  

[Alimantado]

Your Honor, I have no recollection of that.

 

I remember reading it in an interview and seeing him talk about it on a video, the other details are lost.  Someone asked before and I tried to look it up again but it's not there anymore, just like a lot of things that go away if certain people don't want them there.  Maybe someone with a subscription to Lexus-Nexus could find it?  It doesn't really matter now, the man is not here anymore.

 

Swath, I'm not asking you to provide the evidence for me to see--I'll take your word for it. I'm just asking you to confirm that Phelps claimed he was a communist, i.e. that he publicly said it about himself in no uncertain terms. That's what 'avowed' means after all. I'm asking because it doesn't strike me as the sort of thing he would say. I'd expect him to say something along the lines of "God hates republicans, democrats, communists and all politicians in this doomed nation etc etc etc..."

[Standing Firm In Christ]

I think that Phelps' line of thnking was that God hates everyone but the elect WBC.

Sound familiar? It should.

Luke 18:11 (KJV) 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men [are], extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

[Alimantado]

Actually, the only reference I could find to Phelps being a Communist was in Landover - the stupid parody site that mocks everything.  I don't believe Phelps was an avowed Communist. The current Democrat Party (here in the US, Carl) seems to be working hand-in-glove with Communism/Socialism, so if one is a member of that party, it makes one suspect.  Especially if that one runs for office as a Democrat and claiming to be a Christian at the same time - knowing what the Dem party stands for (pro-abortion, pro-sodomy, etc) and the Bible stands against.  Granted, the GOP is following closely behind, but isn't there yet.

 

Phelps has a lot of problems, both politically and biblically.  But I would hesitate to call him an "avowed" Communist.  

 

Was Phelps a democrat either, HC? I mean the guy we all became familiar with on TV in the last few years, not the Phelps from years ago before WBC started doing all the stuff it does now. I've never heard a democrat say that God hates the USA and that they are pleased that God is going to destroy it and everyone in it. I would have thought that in order to be either a democrat or a republican, one would have to at least be a supporter of their own country in some sense. Plus, I thought that in the USA democrats were associated with liberalism. Is being fervently anti-gay a liberal view?

[HappyChristian]

Was Phelps a democrat either, HC? He ran on the Democrat ticket when he ran for office - and it was years after the church was started.  And he made no bones about voting Democrat. He and his family claimed to be Gore's campaign workers for that area when they supported him. I mean the guy we all became familiar with on TV in the last few years, not the Phelps from years ago before WBC started doing all the stuff it does now. I've never heard a democrat say that God hates the USA Well, at the last convention, many Democrats booed the idea of having God mentioned in part of their official platform...and that they are pleased that God is going to destroy it and everyone in it. I would have thought that in order to be either a democrat or a republican, one would have to at least be a supporter of their own country in some sense. You would think, right?  But it's not always so... Plus, I thought that in the USA democrats were associated with liberalism. They are, usually. Is being fervently anti-gay a liberal view? No. Liberals are against anything that keeps them from ascending to power, spending other people's money, and controlling other people's lives.  All in the name of supporting freedom and helping others.

I don't know why he was a Democrat. I agree that it doesn't seem to fit. But there it is...

 

He was also a disbarred lawyer. So he has some things in common with Bill Clinton and Barack and Michelle Obama. 

[swathdiver]

Phelp's home or property was used by AlGore during both of his presidential campaigns, Freddie was trying to get the man elected.  Then of course he turned on him too as statists always do.  He, Fred Phelps, also ran for governor on the Democrat ticket a number of times, once with 15% of the vote.

[Alimantado]

I don't know why he was a Democrat. I agree that it doesn't seem to fit. But there it is...

 

He was also a disbarred lawyer. So he has some things in common with Bill Clinton and Barack and Michelle Obama. 

 

Fair enough, HC. And of course there's no disputing that Phelps was involved with the Democrats before WBC started the picketing antics that made them famous. I guess I'm asking because I wonder whether he used to be a Democrat but wasn't by the time the church got famous, which would explain why his public views at that time were atypical of Democrats.

 

But then, it does sound like 'democrat' can mean almost anything. Someone can be called a democrat for being liberal, but also for not being liberal. A democrat can be one who claims to be "supporting freedom and helping others" but it can also mean one who openly claims to want the USA and everyone in it to be destroyed.

[HappyChristian]

Fair enough, HC. And of course there's no disputing that Phelps was involved with the Democrats before WBC started the picketing antics that made them famous. I guess I'm asking because I wonder whether he used to be a Democrat but wasn't by the time the church got famous, which would explain why his public views at that time were atypical of Democrats.

 

But then, it does sound like 'democrat' can mean almost anything. Someone can be called a democrat for being liberal, but also for not being liberal. A democrat can be one who claims to be "supporting freedom and helping others" but it can also mean one who openly claims to want the USA and everyone in it to be destroyed.  Sadly, you've pretty much summed it up.  

[ThePilgrim]

True or not?  I don't really know much about these people other that what I've seen in headlines about there disgusting behavior.

But wouldn't it be ironic?

 

God bless,

Larry