Woodrow Kroll and Chuck Swindoll

[Jeny]

Hello,

I am a listener to this two preacher. Their ministry are Back To the Bible and Insights for Living. I really like their sermons, very encouraging and as a Christian I learned a lot from their preaching. In my own opinion, the doctrines that they preach and teach are based on the bible. But there is one thing I don't like much in their preaching, ministry or websites... every end or in between to their audio sermon that I am able to access over the internet, they always ask donations from their listener and sometimes I find it awkward especially if I turned the audio so loud in order that my unbeliever friends can hear the preaching. Aside from asking donations they also sell books. Sometimes I have this impression that these preachers are doing business online. Not only them, I found a few websites who do the same. Is this Biblical? Kindly enlighten me because I really like to listen to them.

Thanks,

Jenjen

Edited July 3, 2010 by Jeny Lyn

[JerryNumbers]

My humble opinion. A local church is suppose to support its on ministry and not be begging for money from the world. But many have found this is an easy way to gain money and therefore its members do not have to dig deep into their pockets.

I feel the church of Christ are false teachers, yet there is one thing they do not do, they never ask for money, and they always offer to send free information to all that request it. Its so sad our Baptist brothers don't practice this, it makes them appear to be gold diggers of which many of them are.

I might add, there be a couple of local Baptist Churches in my area who broadcast their services on local radio, they do so only at their own expense, all Baptist Church ought to do the same.

If they can't support it, them they should stop it so that they will not look like gold diggers.

[John81]

If a ministry is of the Lord, the Lord will provide without having to constantly ask for donations. It's a shame some otherwise good teachings are coupled with appeals for money. It should be enough to perhaps mention once in awhile that donations are welcome or that they are listener supported without continually appealing for donations.

Woodrow Kroll is on one of our local radio stations and I listen to him sometimes. He's typically very good.

I don't know how these are associated or not with regards to a local church. Nancy Leigh DeMoss, who is also on the local radio station, has mentioned before that she's under the authority of her local church and has at times had her pastor on her program leading or teaching specific subjects. Her programs are specifically for women but I sometimes listen along with my wife.

[irishman]

If a ministry is of the Lord, the Lord will provide without having to constantly ask for donations. It's a shame some otherwise good teachings are coupled with appeals for money. It should be enough to perhaps mention once in awhile that donations are welcome or that they are listener supported without continually appealing for donations.

Woodrow Kroll is on one of our local radio stations and I listen to him sometimes. He's typically very good.

I don't know how these are associated or not with regards to a local church. Nancy Leigh DeMoss, who is also on the local radio station, has mentioned before that she's under the authority of her local church and has at times had her pastor on her program leading or teaching specific subjects. Her programs are specifically for women but I sometimes listen along with my wife.

I have a prOBlem with women preachers whether they are preaching to women or not. They are not meant to be preachers in any respect. I guess that is not a popular opinion, but I think it is right. I suppose I will hear from some who say that the Bible says they are not to usurp authority "over the man", but I believe it is also the office. We have been here before, but what has happened to guarding the office of the preacher instead of merely the man? Not to ignore the God-called man, of course, but what is he called to? An office. Edited July 6, 2010 by irishman

[John81]

I have a prOBlem with women preachers whether they are preaching to women or not. They are not meant to be preachers in any respect. I guess that is not a popular opinion, but I think it is right. I suppose I will hear from some who say that the Bible says they are not to usurp authority "over the man", but I believe it is also the office. We have been here before, but what has happened to guarding the office of the preacher instead of merely the man? Not to ignore the God-called man, of course, but what is he called to? An office.

I have a prOBlem with women preachers too, they are unbiblical! Nancy isn't a preacher, she's a teacher of women. She holds what amounts to Bible studies for women and she's under the authority of her pastor.

While I have some issues with Beth Moore, one thing I do like about her is that she's absolutely refused to become a preacher. Beth has rightly proclaimed she doesn't believe such is biblical yet a great many Christians have tried to pressure her into preaching for many years now.

I recall many years ago when I was still young in Christ and I was watching a Christian TV station. On came Kenneth Copeland (didn't know about him back then) and he was saying that his wife Gloria was going to be preaching in a bit. He went on to say something to the effect that some people try to say women shouldn't preach but that's just hogwash. He claimed Gloria was annointed to preach and everyone would be blessed by her preaching and they should just not listen to those who try and say a woman can't preach. (Never mind what the Bible actually says on this issue...and he certainly didn't go into Scripture on this topic!)

[irishman]

I have a prOBlem with women preachers too, they are unbiblical! Nancy isn't a preacher, she's a teacher of women. She holds what amounts to Bible studies for women and she's under the authority of her pastor.

While I have some issues with Beth Moore, one thing I do like about her is that she's absolutely refused to become a preacher. Beth has rightly proclaimed she doesn't believe such is biblical yet a great many Christians have tried to pressure her into preaching for many years now.

I recall many years ago when I was still young in Christ and I was watching a Christian TV station. On came Kenneth Copeland (didn't know about him back then) and he was saying that his wife Gloria was going to be preaching in a bit. He went on to say something to the effect that some people try to say women shouldn't preach but that's just hogwash. He claimed Gloria was annointed to preach and everyone would be blessed by her preaching and they should just not listen to those who try and say a woman can't preach. (Never mind what the Bible actually says on this issue...and he certainly didn't go into Scripture on this topic!)

There is a fine line between teaching and preaching, so close that they can hardly be defined. I do not believe that women should teach from the pulpit either, but that is not to say that they can't do as well as men, in fact, some are better preachers than men are! Even in Government, a woman's place is not "up front", though she may do a better jOB in a leadership position, she is disOBedient to the command, and is not made for the position.

[John81]

There is a fine line between teaching and preaching, so close that they can hardly be defined. I do not believe that women should teach from the pulpit either, but that is not to say that they can't do as well as men, in fact, some are better preachers than men are! Even in Government, a woman's place is not "up front", though she may do a better jOB in a leadership position, she is disOBedient to the command, and is not made for the position.

I agree. I'm not that familiar with Nancy Leigh DeMoss other than what I've heard on the radio from time to time. The only teaching sessions I know of she's conducted were not from behind a pulpit. They were more like a large Bible study for women.

There have been other women I've seen who do "teach" from behind a pulpit and what they were doing was preaching, not teaching. Such is wrong.

[Seth Doty]

Hello,

I am a listener to this two preacher. Their ministry are Back To the Bible and Insights for Living. I really like their sermons, very encouraging and as a Christian I learned a lot from their preaching. In my own opinion, the doctrines that they preach and teach are based on the bible. But there is one thing I don't like much in their preaching, ministry or websites... every end or in between to their audio sermon that I am able to access over the internet, they always ask donations from their listener and sometimes I find it awkward especially if I turned the audio so loud in order that my unbeliever friends can hear the preaching. Aside from asking donations they also sell books. Sometimes I have this impression that these preachers are doing business online. Not only them, I found a few websites who do the same. Is this Biblical? Kindly enlighten me because I really like to listen to them.

Thanks,

Jenjen

I don't care for Swindoll the other one I am not familiar with. Part of the prOBlem is the commercialization of Christianity which you picked up on. Another issue to me is that he seems very "professional", to such a degree that he sounds very fake. Almost like Joel Osteen. Another issue is that occasionally bits of bad doctrine are mixed in with his sermons. He will say something that might initially sound ok because of his speaking ability and manner of presentation, but when you think about what he actually just said you realize it wasn't really biblical. When all of this comes together as a whole it sums up why I don't care much for him.

[JerryNumbers]

There be several Swindoll lovers around here. The Baptist Book Store has several of his books, maybe all of them. I've never read one of his books. Had a pastor once who was fund of him and often mentioned his books. No doubt he is a good speaker, and presents things greatly, I've heard him on radio, I don't care for him.