Concerned over accuracy?

[Jim_Alaska]

1 hour ago, Genevanpreacher said:

First off DaveW - there have been NO claims here of a doctrine of "Universal" church - but commenting on the accuracy of the fact that there IS a universal church, i.e. a whole body of believers, coming from at least 2000 years of human lives being born and dying.

And that body of believers makes up the WHOLE church (singular) of which scripture refers to in some of the above references. (Eph. 5:25)

Not in any way like the Catholic type of teaching, but scripturally. 

You can't have it both ways GP. In this last reply you clearly argue against any biblical doctrine of a Universal Church, yet go on to say that you believe there is such a thing. If there is such a thing then there is doctrine to prove it. Anything else can only be shown that you believe that there is a Universal Church, even in the absence of biblical doctrine to show such.

Your personal beliefs, in contrast to the clear teaching of God's word speaks volumes in regard to "rightly dividing". When I read what you wrote this morning it immediately reminded me that this sort of teaching lies directly in the camp of Unitarian Universalist teaching. Their stated doctrinal position is this:
Unitarian Universalists believe that each person is free to search for his or her own personal truth on issues, such as the existence, nature, and meaning of life, deities, creation, and afterlife. UUs can come from any religious background, and hold beliefs and adhere to morals from a variety of cultures or religions.

Although claiming to be IFB, yours is anything but any IFB teaching I have ever heard.

[Alan]

14 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Your personal beliefs, in contrast to the clear teaching of God's word speaks volumes in regard to "rightly dividing". When I read what you wrote this morning it immediately reminded me that this sort of teaching lies directly in the camp of Unitarian Universalist teaching. Their stated doctrinal position is this:
Unitarian Universalists believe that each person is free to search for his or her own personal truth on issues, such as the existence, nature, and meaning of life, deities, creation, and afterlife. UUs can come from any religious background, and hold beliefs and adhere to morals from a variety of cultures or religions.

Jim is correct.

The Roman Catholic position on the Universal Church, and the Unitaritian Universalist postion on the Universal Church, are both in scriptual error. Maybe a study on the Uniersalists is in order.

[Jim_Alaska]

24 minutes ago, Alan said:

Jim is correct.

The Roman Catholic position on the Universal Church, and the Unitaritian Universalist postion on the Universal Church, are both in scriptual error. Maybe a study on the Uniersalists is in order.

Your suggestion may be beneficial Dave. Why don't you start one in a separate thread?

[Genevanpreacher]

2 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

You can't have it both ways GP. In this last reply you clearly argue against any biblical doctrine of a Universal Church, yet go on to say that you believe there is such a thing. If there is such a thing then there is doctrine to prove it. Anything else can only be shown that you believe that there is a Universal Church, even in the absence of biblical doctrine to show such.

Your personal beliefs, in contrast to the clear teaching of God's word speaks volumes in regard to "rightly dividing". When I read what you wrote this morning it immediately reminded me that this sort of teaching lies directly in the camp of Unitarian Universalist teaching. Their stated doctrinal position is this:
Unitarian Universalists believe that each person is free to search for his or her own personal truth on issues, such as the existence, nature, and meaning of life, deities, creation, and afterlife. UUs can come from any religious background, and hold beliefs and adhere to morals from a variety of cultures or religions.

Although claiming to be IFB, yours is anything but any IFB teaching I have ever heard.

Well, I guess I am just not your kinda IFB Jim.

Flexibility in terminology, compared to so called 'doctrinal' terminology taught and bound by man, can be an 'Independent's' freedom.

I live in that freedom when I read God's word.

[Jim_Alaska]

Yes, I guess you really are not my kind of IFB GP. I take great assurance and am also saddened by that. You have shown more than just flexibility in terminology, but also flexibility in rightly dividing God's Word and bible doctrines that have been the mainstay of Independent Baptists for centuries.

You seem to think  that "Independent" means Independent in that you can choose to search out your own personal truth on critical Bible issues, just like the doctrinal statement of the Unitarian Universalist's that I posted.

Independent Baptists are and always have been, independent from any outside authority like conventions and fellowships, recognizing only the authority of God Himself. It does not mean independent to view scripture in any way you personally choose.

 2Pet 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 
 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 

[Genevanpreacher]

35 minutes ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Yes, I guess you really are not my kind of IFB GP. I take great assurance and am also saddened by that. You have shown more than just flexibility in terminology, but also flexibility in rightly dividing God's Word and bible doctrines that have been the mainstay of Independent Baptists for centuries.

You seem to think  that "Independent" means Independent in that you can choose to search out your own personal truth on critical Bible issues, just like the doctrinal statement of the Unitarian Universalist's that I posted.

Independent Baptists are and always have been, independent from any outside authority like conventions and fellowships, recognizing only the authority of God Himself. It does not mean independent to view scripture in any way you personally choose.

 2Pet 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 
 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 

Wow Jim. This is way above your normal criticism. 

If you would take a breath and reread what I posted, maybe you will see just how much you are over reacting.

I hope as a brother in the Lord you take the time, for I have said nothing unscriptural. If it is non-IFB then so be it. T'would be a shame for me to lean away from scripture just to show how IFB I am.

By the way - that is a great verse in support of how I perceive doctrine - NOT by the will of man.

Edited January 1, 2017 by Genevanpreacher

[MountainChristian]

On 12/31/2016 at 10:54 AM, Jim_Alaska said:

a. The word “church” is from the Greek word “ecclesia”, which means a called out assembly. The Greek free cities are a case in point. Citizens were called out to conduct city business

Every born again human belongs to Jesus' assembly. We are all assembled in the body of Anointed. So to use King James language we are all churched into Christ. Those in Heaven are spiritually assembled with Jesus, and those of us on earth are spiritually assembled with Jesus. I am assembled with Jesus through I live here in NC and you are assembled with Jesus where you live. 

The word church is from the Latin/Roman word ecclesia. It comes from the Roman Empire when Constantine ordered all Christians to assemble during daylight in buildings the Emperor provided. This is when the Roman Catholics was formed by the work and orders of Constantine. Some assemblies agreed and joined with Constantine to become "the Church", but other assemblies refused to join and remained church of location/home. 

This system was still in use when King James ordered a translation. The KJV was not an independent translation but it was a product of the State. Independent being, local independent assemblies joining together to fund a translation. So the Greek word ekklēsia became the Latin/Roman word ecclesia and the Latin ecclesia became the English word Church, a state run assembly. Church being owned by an earthly living King. Hidden local assemblies of location/home loved being able to buy a part of the State owned KJV leased out to printing houses who provided the King with a kickback when the translation or parts of the translation was sold. 

This comes down to the play on words started by the Romans. The government stole Jesus' word assembly/church and changed it's meaning. 

[DaveW]

12 minutes ago, Genevanpreacher said:

Wow Jim. This is way above your normal criticism. 

If you would take a breath and reread what I posted, maybe you will see just how much you are over reacting.

I hope as a brother in the Lord you take the time, for I have said nothing unscriptural. If it is non-IFB then so be it. T'would be a shame for me to lean away from scripture just to show how IFB I am.

By the way - that is a great verse in support of how I perceive doctrine - NOT by the will of man.

"I have said nothing unscriptural..."

Except that there is a universal church.

The name of the thread is "Concerned over accuracy?" - a name which YOU, GP, designated but which you then ignore.

For the sake of accuracy, the Bible DOES indeed speak of all believers, but it NEVER clearly refers to all believers as "the church".

The Bible refers to all believers as "all saints", "family of God", "fellowcitizens" and the like but NEVER as a church.

This is another clear instance of you simply making things up, another clear instance of you following doctrines which are plainly not IFB.

I think at this point I might leave this thread alone......

[MountainChristian]

1 minute ago, DaveW said:

For the sake of accuracy, the Bible DOES indeed speak of all believers, but it NEVER clearly refers to all believers as "the church".

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Does that say churches or church?

[DaveW]

9 minutes ago, MountainChristian said:

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Does that say churches or church?

MC, I would encourage you to do a study on the word church, the word body, and to find the way God Himself has chosen to refer to His Saints as a group.

Many people use your quoted verse to try to support a universal understanding of church, but the verse does not actually say that at all.

The verse makes perfect sense if you view the word as generic, or even if you view the word as literal,  ie the "church of the disciples" which was actually the only church that Jesus Himself directly built.

That singular, individual church has not been prevailed against by Satan as they spread across the world, forming new churches everywhere they went.

[Jim_Alaska]

I feel that I have made my points in this thread using scripture and historic Baptist doctrine. Any further input into this subject on my part would be nothing other than me justifying what I have already said and provided proof for.

There just comes a point where a thread degenerates into being silly, I don't need to go there, I have better things to do.

My hope and prayer is that anyone coming to this thread either now or in the future might be edified by this discussion. If one person is blessed with understanding regarding this subject, then let God be praised.

[Genevanpreacher]

5 hours ago, DaveW said:

"I have said nothing unscriptural..."

Except that there is a universal church.

The name of the thread is "Concerned over accuracy?" - a name which YOU, GP, designated but which you then ignore.

For the sake of accuracy, the Bible DOES indeed speak of all believers, *but it NEVER clearly refers to all believers as "the church".

The Bible refers to all believers as "all saints", "family of God", "fellowcitizens" and the like but NEVER as a church.

This is another clear instance of you simply making things up, another clear instance of you following doctrines which are plainly not IFB.

I think at this point I might leave this thread alone......

The scriptures say otherwise DaveW.

Ephesians 1:

22  And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

23  Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Ephesians 5:

25  Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26  That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27  That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

You cannot call me names and say this does not say the church in a singular term and still hold any type of weight when it comes to just what the scriptures teach DaveW.

Is this highlighted verse not saying that Christ gave himself for the church as a whole?

SURELY you aren't going to deny the word of God over a fear of what some Catholic doctrine states about a 'universal' church!!

As was stated more than once in this thread - I am not referring to the Catholic type of universal church ideology - are you guys not listening??

No, you aren't, and this is why your postings on OB are so low - you don't really care about accuracy - you just want to 'hold' to the common so-called doctrines, without any real understanding of the scriptures you use to support that doctrine.

Accuracy is the most important thing in the scriptures - without it we stand on man's doctrines and not the Lord's. And if the Lord is talking about the whole body of believers in the word 'church' then let God be true and every man a liar!!!

Edited January 2, 2017 by Genevanpreacher

[MountainChristian]

Mat_16:18  And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church (ekklēsian singular); and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Mat_18:17  And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church (ekklēsia singular): but if he neglect to hear the church (ekklēsias plural), let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Act_2:47  Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church (αυτό singular, means number) daily such as should be saved.

Act_5:11  And great fear came upon all the church (ekklēsian singular), and upon as many as heard these things.

Act_7:38  This is he, that was in the church (ekklēsia singular) in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Act_8:1  And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church (ekklēsian singular) which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.

Act_8:3  As for Saul, he made havock of the church (ekklēsian singular), entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.

Act_11:22  Then tidings of these things came unto the ears of the church (ekklēsias plural) which was in Jerusalem: and they sent forth Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch.

Act_11:26  And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church (ekklēsia singular), and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Act_12:1  Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church (ekklēsias plural).

Act_12:5  Peter therefore was kept in prison: but prayer was made without ceasing of the church (ekklēsias plural) unto God for him.

Act_13:1  Now there were in the church (ekklēsian singular) that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.

Act_14:23  And when they had ordained them elders in every church (ekklēsian singular), and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.

Act_14:27  And when they were come, and had gathered the church (ekklēsian singular) together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles.

Act_15:3  And being brought on their way by the church (ekklēsias plural), they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.

Act_15:4  And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church (ekklēsias plural), and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.

Act_15:22  Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church (ekklēsia singular), to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:

Act_18:22  And when he had landed at Caesarea, and gone up, and saluted the church (ekklēsian singular), he went down to Antioch.

Act_19:32  Some therefore cried one thing, and some another: for the assembly (ekklēsia singular) was confused; and the more part knew not wherefore they were come together. 

Act_19:39  But if ye enquire any thing concerning other matters, it shall be determined in a lawful assembly (ekklēsia singular). 

Act_19:41  And when he had thus spoken, he dismissed the assembly (ekklēsian singular). 

Act_20:17  And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the church (ekklēsias plural).

Act_20:28  Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church (ekklēsian singular) of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Rom_16:1  I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church (ekklēsias plural) which is at Cenchrea:

Rom_16:5  Likewise greet the church (ekklēsian singular) that is in their house. Salute my wellbeloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.

Rom_16:23  Gaius mine host, and of the whole church (ekklēsias plural), saluteth you. Erastus the chamberlain of the city saluteth you, and Quartus a brother.

1Co_1:2  Unto the church (ekklēsia singular) of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

1Co_4:17  For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church (ekklēsia singular).

1Co_6:4  If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church (ekklēsia singular).

1Co_10:32  Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church (ekklēsia singular) of God:

1Co_11:18  For first of all, when ye come together in the church (ekklēsia singular), I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.

1Co_11:22  What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church (ekklēsias plural) of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

1Co_12:28  And God hath set some in the church (ekklēsia singular), first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

1Co_14:4  He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church (ekklēsian singular).

1Co_14:5  I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church (ekklēsia singular) may receive edifying.

1Co_14:12  Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church (ekklēsias plural).

1Co_14:19  Yet in the church (ekklēsia singular) I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

1Co_14:23  If therefore the whole church (ekklēsia singular) be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

1Co_14:28  But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church (ekklēsia singular); and let him speak to himself, and to God.

1Co_14:35  And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church (ekklēsia singular).

1Co_15:9  For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church (ekklēsian singular) of God.

1Co_16:19  The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church (ekklēsia singular) that is in their house.

2Co_1:1  Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church (ekklēsia singular) of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

Gal_1:13  For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church (ekklēsian singular) of God, and wasted it:

Eph_1:22  And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church (ekklēsia singular),

Eph_3:10  To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church (ekklēsias plural) the manifold wisdom of God,

Eph_3:21  Unto him be glory in the church (ekklēsia singular) by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

Eph_5:23  For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church (ekklēsias plural): and he is the saviour of the body.

Eph_5:24  Therefore as the church (ekklēsia singular) is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Eph_5:25  Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church (ekklēsian singular), and gave himself for it;

Eph_5:27  That he might present it to himself a glorious church (ekklēsian singular), not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Eph_5:29  For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church (ekklēsian singular):

Eph_5:32  This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church (ekklēsian singular).

Php_3:6  Concerning zeal, persecuting the church (ekklēsian singular); touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

Php_4:15  Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church (ekklēsia singular) communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only.

Col_1:18  And he is the head of the body, the church (ekklēsias plural): who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Col_1:24  Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church (ekklēsia singular):

Col_4:15  Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church (ekklēsian singular) which is in his house.

Col_4:16  And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church (ekklēsia singular) of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.

1Th_1:1  Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church (ekklēsia singular) of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

2Th_1:1  Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church (ekklēsia singular) of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:

1Ti_3:5  (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church (ekklēsias plural) of God?)

1Ti_3:15  But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church (ekklēsia singular) of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

1Ti_5:16  If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church (ekklēsia singular) be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.

Phm_1:2  And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellowsoldier, and to the church (ekklēsia singular) in thy house:

Heb_2:12  Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church (ekklēsias plural) will I sing praise unto thee.

Heb_12:23  To the general assembly and church (ekklēsia singular) of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Jas_5:14  Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church (ekklēsias plural); and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

1Pe_5:13  The church (word added by translators) that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.

3Jn_1:6  Which have borne witness of thy charity before the church (ekklēsias plural): whom if thou bring forward on their journey after a godly sort, thou shalt do well:

3Jn_1:9  I wrote unto the church (ekklēsia singular): but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.

3Jn_1:10  Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church (ekklēsias plural).

Rev_2:1  Unto the angel of the church (ekklēsias plural) of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

Rev_2:8  And unto the angel of the church (ekklēsias plural) in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

Rev_2:12  And to the angel of the church (ekklēsias plural) in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

Rev_2:18  And unto the angel of the church (ekklēsias plural) in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;

Rev_3:1  And unto the angel of the church (ekklēsias plural) in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

Rev_3:7  And to the angel of the church (ekklēsias plural) in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

Rev_3:14  And unto the angel of the church (ekklēsias plural) of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

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Act_9:31  Then had the churches (ekklēsia singular) rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.

Act_15:41  And he went through Syria and Cilicia, confirming the churches (ekklēsias plural).

Act_16:5  And so were the churches (ekklēsiai plural) established in the faith, and increased in number daily.

Act_19:37  For ye have brought hither these men, which are neither robbers of churches (hierosylous plural), nor yet blasphemers of your goddess.

Rom_16:4  Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches (ekklēsiai plural) of the Gentiles.

Rom_16:16  Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches (ekklēsiai plural) of Christ salute you.

1Co_7:17  But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches (ekklēsiais plural).

1Co_11:16  But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches (ekklēsiai plural) of God.

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches (ekklēsiais plural) of the saints.

1Co_14:34  Let your women keep silence in the churches (ekklēsiais plural): for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1Co_16:1  Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches (ekklēsiais plural) of Galatia, even so do ye.

1Co_16:19  The churches (ekklēsiai plural) of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.

2Co_8:1  Moreover, brethren, we do you to wit of the grace of God bestowed on the churches (ekklēsiais plural) of Macedonia;

2Co_8:18  And we have sent with him the brother, whose praise is in the gospel throughout all the churches (ekklēsiōn plural);

2Co_8:19  And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches (ekklēsiōn plural) to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:

2Co_8:23  Whether any do enquire of Titus, he is my partner and fellowhelper concerning you: or our brethren be enquired of, they are the messengers of the churches (ekklēsiōn plural), and the glory of Christ.

2Co_8:24  Wherefore shew ye to them, and before the churches (ekklēsiōn plural), the proof of your love, and of our boasting on your behalf.

2Co_11:8  I robbed other churches (ekklēsias plural), taking wages of them, to do you service.

2Co_11:28  Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches (ekklēsiōn plural).

2Co_12:13  For what is it wherein ye were inferior to other churches (ekklēsias plural), except it be that I myself was not burdensome to you? forgive me this wrong.

Gal_1:2  And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches (ekklēsiais plural) of Galatia:

Gal_1:22  And was unknown by face unto the churches (ekklēsiais plural) of Judaea which were in Christ:

1Th_2:14  For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches (ekklēsiōn plural) of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

2Th_1:4  So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches (ekklēsiais plural) of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

Rev_1:4  John to the seven churches (ekklēsiais plural) which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

Rev_1:11  Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches (ekklēsiais plural) which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Rev_1:20  The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches (ekklēsiōn plural): and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches (ekklēsiai plural).

Rev_2:7  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches (ekklēsiais plural); To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Rev_2:11  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches (ekklēsiais plural); He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Rev_2:17  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches (ekklēsiais plural); To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Rev_2:23  And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches (ekklēsiai plural) shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

Rev_2:29  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches (ekklēsiais plural).

Rev_3:6  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches (ekklēsiais plural).

Rev_3:13  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches (ekklēsiais plural).

Rev_3:22  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches (ekklēsiais plural).

Rev_22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches (ekklēsiais plural). I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

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I can not see it. I wish I could. I'm going to work on it some more.

[DaveW]

Well, with GP now resorting to false accusations and once again ignoring previous posts, I  think it is possibly time to lock this thread.

Certainly no point in my further participation.

[Genevanpreacher]

4 hours ago, DaveW said:

Well, with GP now resorting to false accusations and once again ignoring previous posts, I  think it is possibly time to lock this thread.

Certainly no point in my further participation.

False accusations?

Where? Name one at least.