Why Our Children Don’t Think There Are Moral Facts

ThePilgrim · March 17, 2015

It would be great if every child could go to a Christian school or be Home schooled but unfortunately that is not the case in the real world, the way the world is today. We all know the public and many private schools are not teaching the kids right from wrong but it goes beyond that. The wonderful new Common Core that you have heard about was picked straight out of Satan's tool box. http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/03/02/why-our-children-dont-think-there-are-moral-facts/?_r=1

Another fellow says:

"The idea that children as young as five are going to be some sort of Christian missionary light unto the pagans in public school was always an abysmally stupid one, but the fact that even a philosopher's son can be reprogrammed in such an insidious way should shake even the most foolish Christian parent's blithe confidence in public school. And the idea that your local school is "really good" is far from a panacea, it merely means that it is better at instilling this pernicious anti-philosophy into its students' heads."

I believe that is true also but unfortunately all Christians cannot keep their kids out of the system. If we can keep our kids out great. But whether we can or we can't we should do all we can to help change the public school system. Never vote yes on any school issue and get on school boards whenever possible.

John81 · March 17, 2015

All part of the secularizing of America, which is why they don't want to see the Ten Commandments in public and they do all they can to push Christians into their churches and lock the doors behind them.

If there is no set standard of right and wrong, as they teach, then they act upon that teaching and steal, kill or destroy (just like their father the devil) why does everyone act surprised and why do even those who promote this stuff complain when it happens to them?

Take their teachings to their logical conclusion and while Professor Dan might believe there is not right and wrong, yet believes it's wrong to do anything against him, another may believe there is nothing wrong with attacking Dan and taking everything he has. Who then is Professor Dan to tell the one who beat and robbed him they are wrong if there is no set right or wrong?

And to think, one of the contenders for the Republican presidency is a very strong and outspoken advocate of Common Core; Jeb Bush.

DaveW · March 17, 2015

It is not up to schools to teach right and wrong.

That is the job of the parents.

Schooling - whatever format - it for teaching knowledge and information.

heartstrings · March 17, 2015

It is not up to schools to teach right and wrong.
That is the job of the parents.
Schooling - whatever format - it for teaching knowledge and information.

But there still has to be morality in that teaching. As it is, they are teaching evolution and spontaneous generation of the Universe for science, secular humanism in social studies, and filth for English literature. As "knowledge", these are amoral.

ThePilgrim · March 17, 2015

It is not up to schools to teach right and wrong.
That is the job of the parents.
Schooling - whatever format - it for teaching knowledge and information.

If morals and right and wrong are not taught as a part of knowledge then there is no hope for man. It may be argued that public schools are no place to teach religion but morality and religion are not the same thing. Even heathen and pagan societies have moral codes and they teach them.

A child that is raised in a home where he is not taught morals may be deterred from doing evil to you or yours because he was taught morals in public school. How is this a bad thing? I am speaking about teaching morals, not religion.

John81 · March 17, 2015

It is not up to schools to teach right and wrong.
That is the job of the parents.
Schooling - whatever format - it for teaching knowledge and information.

It is indeed the primary job of parents to teach right and wrong but the school should be reenforcing these things rather than teaching against them.

It's not that the schools are neutral in the regard of morality (which there really is no neutral), rather it's a matter of the schools teaching there are no moral absolutes on one hand while on the other teaching their own version of moral absolutes which stand in contrast to both biblical and traditional views.

The schools teach the Ten Commandments are not for today, they are wrong, the God of the Bible either isn't real or just one of many gods. They teach it's sometimes okay to lie, cheat, steal, murder. Tho they claim there are no absolutes they tell the students it's absolutely wrong to deny a pregnant woman an abortion...it's evil to say anything negative regarding homosexuality, etc.

American schools were originally established with the main goal being actual education, which was believed to begin with the Bible. The KJB was the main teaching tool in schools for learning to read, studying history, training in proper behaviour, etc. The core subjects of reading, writing, math, history, were taught in light of Scripture.

Today, those core subjects are used to teach secular humanism, to teach against God and the Bible, and the schools are used as indoctrination centers to pump leftist secular humanism into the minds of the children. This is why America tests so low in comparison to many other countries in test scores on these subjects. Rather than providing a real education, the schools are busy promoting "safe sex", experimentation with homosexuality, holding classes on drugs, teaching phony history, and even using word problems in math classes to promote their leftist socialist agenda.

The schools work against parents and that shouldn't be the case.

1Timothy115 · March 18, 2015

The author, Justin P. McBrayer, is described in the Bible. He mentions truth (5 times), wrong (8 times), moral (18 times). He never mentions absolute or authority and wonders why children readily accept the opposing ‘view’ there are no moral truths or values. He completely misses the connection between the impending chaos and removing Christianity from our Children’s lives. John 17:17 “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” 1769 KJV

So, is Mr. McBrayer described in the Bible? The answer is true, yes he is mentioned in the following text. 2 Timothy 3:7 “Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” 1769 KJV

ThePilgrim · March 18, 2015

The author, Justin P. McBrayer, is described in the Bible. He mentions truth (5 times), wrong (8 times), moral (18 times). He never mentions absolute or authority and wonders why children readily accept the opposing ‘view’ there are no moral truths or values. He completely misses the connection between the impending chaos and removing Christianity from our Children’s lives. John 17:17 “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” 1769 KJV

So, is Mr. McBrayer described in the Bible? The answer is true, yes he is mentioned in the following text. 2 Timothy 3:7 “Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” 1769 KJV

I think we can all agree that the writer is not a Christian and does not write from a Christian perspective, but what think ye of the things he said?

1Timothy115 · March 19, 2015

The author, Justin P. McBrayer, is described in the Bible. He mentions truth (5 times), wrong (8 times), moral (18 times). He never mentions absolute or authority and wonders why children readily accept the opposing ‘view’ there are no moral truths or values. He completely misses the connection between the impending chaos and removing Christianity from our Children’s lives. John 17:17 “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” 1769 KJV

So, is Mr. McBrayer described in the Bible? The answer is true, yes he is mentioned in the following text. 2 Timothy 3:7 “Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” 1769 KJV

I think we can all agree that the writer is not a Christian and does not write from a Christian perspective, but what think ye of the things he said?

I read it last night but, what I recall is personal and observed situations, bemoaning the confusion over truth in education. I just went back for a review.

"Our schools do amazing things with our children." Our schools do amazing things TO our children and we let them! "Some of our beliefs are true. Others are not." Building on a past president's comment, "I'm the decider." George W. Bush So, in the case of which beliefs are proven truth, who gets to decide? He doesn't connect the dots dismissing God the creator is the problem; he is espousing humanism. The author is recognizing 'something' is amiss but he can't put his finger on it. After a lot of only complaining, I see no viable solution tendered by him. He does proffer a perfectly lost point of view, "The hard work lies not in recognizing that at least some moral claims are true but in carefully thinking through our evidence for which of the many competing moral claims is correct." His answer, the elite bastions of educational wisdom will determine what is truth for those poor illiterate parents...and children.

John81 · March 19, 2015

I read it last night but, what I recall is personal and observed situations, bemoaning the confusion over truth in education. I just went back for a review.
"Our schools do amazing things with our children." Our schools do amazing things TO our children and we let them! "Some of our beliefs are true. Others are not." Building on a past president's comment, "I'm the decider." George W. Bush So, in the case of which beliefs are proven truth, who gets to decide? He doesn't connect the dots dismissing God the creator is the problem; he is espousing humanism. The author is recognizing 'something' is amiss but he can't put his finger on it. After a lot of only complaining, I see no viable solution tendered by him. He does proffer a perfectly lost point of view, "The hard work lies not in recognizing that at least some moral claims are true but in carefully thinking through our evidence for which of the many competing moral claims is correct." His answer, the elite bastions of educational wisdom will determine what is truth for those poor illiterate parents...and children.

This is the overarching problem we have. Many realize something is wrong. Many can point to various problems, and they do see the bad which comes from these. However, being lost (unsaved, not in Christ) they have no real solutions. Often, they barely even offer a solution and when they do it's a man-made, worldly-minded solution that won't solve the problem.

As pointed out above, bemoaning a lack of moral teaching but then saying we need to compare all moral teachings and decide which are true, is how the problem began and how it continues. Without agreement that the God of the Bible is the author of true morality, the only morality worthy of promotion, we continually find ourselves redefining morality to suit ourselves.

While most Americans have always been lost, through most of American history there was an acceptance even throughout secular society that Christian (from the Bible) morality was right and thus most laws and societal expectations were based in such. That's no longer the case. Christian morality has specifically been rejected by much of American society, with many others who play Christian (even some actual Christians) pick and choose which moral points from Scripture they endorse or reject.

As Scripture points out, we are in a spiritual war, our warfare is not carnal. Unfortunately, many American Christians have yoked themselves with false religionists, secular christians, and others in choosing to fight a "culture war" for the past several decades. Rather than obeying the Word, relying upon our God, and fighting the spiritual war as He commands, trusting that He will bring about what's best, we turned to fighting a "culture war" in our own power, our own wisdom and choosing the lost and wicked as our allies to bring about what we think best. This hasn't worked and can never work.

We have the example of Israel in the Old Testament. When they followed God, even when such didn't seem to make sense, even when doing so seemed weak, Israel benefited and was blessed. At the same time we see that when Israel determined to do things in their own way, looking to the lost and wicked to bolster them, looking to their own wisdom for answers, they suffered loss and defeat.

Jesus is the answer. As long as we keep offering up alternate "answers" we will continue downward.