So where can I reply concerning the tithing thread?

[Guest Guest]

"I Corinthians 9:6-15 Or I only and Barnabas' date=' have not we power to forbear working? Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock? Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things? If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ. Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void."[/color']

I think that passage makes the Lords view on the subject rather clear.

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As a side note, Christ did not come to destroy the law, but to fullfill it. The cerimonial aspects of the law were fullfilled, they were pictures of things to come, so they are passed away. The rest of the law is in effect, and while we are under grace and through Christ free from the curse of the law, that does not mean God intended for us to ignore it. It reveals his will and character after all.

You thread hijacker :Bleh

What part of the law is still in effect? Please be specfic. Give an example. I never read one word about the law revealing God's will and character. I thought the Holy Spirit did that? If God's divine will and character has been written down all this time in the law.....and I didn't know about it.... I am going to be upset

I have said that the tithe was about Israel and was given before the law and had nothing to do with the law so to say. Though it was addressed in the Law. It had everything to do with Israel.

Should the tithe be taken from Israel and given to the local church?

Where did that happen in the scriptures?

When they rebuild the temple and the storehouse should I send my tithe across the pond?

[Guest Guest]

I am going out the door right now and I really doubt a response would do you any good anyway. Maybe I will respond when I get back, maybe not. :Green

[Marcus2Israel]

So, why did Melchizedek give a tithe to Abraham?

[Guest Guest]

So' date=' why did Melchizedek give a tithe to Abraham?[/quote']

Melchizedek was king of Salem. The city of Salem in Genesis is ancient Jerusalem. It was given to Melchizedek to establish the future capital of Israel.

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[Marcus2Israel]

That didn't answer my question...

[Guest Guest]

That didn't answer my question...

Why didn't it answer the question? I said the tithe of Abraham was given to establish Jerusalem.

Do you have another reason?

[John81]

There is no Scripture supporting that Christians are commanded to tithe.

All Scriptures regarding the tithe were in regard to the Jews and there were specific requirements for how they were to fulfill their obligation to tithe.

NT Scripture makes it clear that Christians are to surrender their hearts to Christ who will lead them accordingly as to how much they are to give, to whom and to where and when.

[Guest Guest]

He actually has a very different approach to tithing than the average Christian. I was trying to look for the book---and, of course, I can't seem to find it. All I can say...is that he has a gentle demeanor and he supports the NT scripture...in:

2 Corinthians 9:7...Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. "The Cheerful Giver" KJV 1611 AV.

BTW, I have also heard him preach...and, he is the same way when he preaches. :smile

[John81]

A key verse indeed! Tithing is "giving of necessity", which absolutely couldn't be what the Holy Ghost had Paul to write about here.

[JerryNumbers]

I have never been led by my Lord to speak on money from the pulpit. Our church is small in numbers, but its members support it very good.

I was once a member of a church, it seemed like at every service money, the lack of it, the need for it, was spoken of from behind the pulpit at ever service.

For those who fail to support Jesus' Church as they should, I don't believe harping on money often will do the least bit of good, but I think a great Christian message be what they are in need of. Even if the pastor persuades them, shames them, into giving much more, they have not given it cheerfully. I must say this, some pastors come off as if money is more important than anything else and make the church seem to be more about money that about our Lord Jesus Christ.

If an when I feel led by God to speak on giving of money to the church, them will I speak on it, not until, but it surely will not be on tithing, for tithing keeps many from being cheerful givers and from giving more than 10 %.

[Guest Guest]

After our last topic on this subject, please remember I do not feel tithing is taught in the New Testament, I checked to see what we had given to our church this year, at that time it was over 24%.

By the way, my income would be considered below the poverty level, but our merciful God always provides Linda and my our needs, after all that is all He promised anyone.

I also stated one who tithes would limit what many would give to their church thru out the year.

To be honest, I do feel for many, even many Christians who can't get enough money nor worldly stuff to make them happy, they can never be satisfied, they never have enough money to suit their self. I'm telling you, there is nothing else on this earth like being content in the Lord, and I do know all about being on the other side, I would not cross back over for nothing. Anyone and everyone can have this contentment, Paul spoke of it.

11 Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
Phil 4:11 (KJV)

7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
1 Tim 6:7-10 (KJV)

5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.
Heb 13:5-6 (KJV)

Right now we are facing a difficult moment, brakes went out on my old ride, window on passenger side the motor went out, insurance is due, our heating unit went out with temps dipping below 30

[JerryNumbers]

God got us thru it, and all is well.

I went down to my favorite parts store on Monday which I've always used, after I found out for sure I needed a $1500.00 dollar part to fix the brakes on my 92 S-10 Blazer. He talked me into going to a salvage yard 40 miles from here and getting a used one, it cost $60.00. I put it on, got my grandson to help me bleed my brakes, now my brakes work like brand new.

So all turned out well, but many times it does take effort on our part.

I'm not fully ready for a Thanksgiving Day.

[John81]

Good posts Jerry!

I've noticed from my own personal experiences that the churches which preach tithing tend to touch upon that often and they always say they lack money. However, the churches I've attended that preach New Testament giving very rarely ever mention any need for money; other than when something or an opportunity comes up for people to give to outside of the "normal" aspects of the church.

[Guest Guest]

I've noticed from my own personal experiences that the churches which preach tithing tend to touch upon that often and they always say they lack money.

My church teaches on tithing and they certainly don't harp on it. It might be taught once or twice a year but probably no more than that. Of course, my church teaches NT "grace" giving as well. Practically speaking I do not think it matters what you call it as long as you give. Not giving is not biblical in either the OT or the NT.

[John81]

My church teaches on tithing and they certainly don't harp on it. It might be taught once or twice a year but probably no more than that. Of course, my church teaches NT "grace" giving as well. Practically speaking I do not think it matters what you call it as long as you give. Not giving is not biblical in either the OT or the NT.

The reason it matters what one calls it is because there is a vast difference between the OT command to Jews that they MUST tithe and that NT Christians are told to give as the Lord leads.

No doubt, not giving is unbiblical. Whether God lays it on a persons heart to give one dollar or a thousand doesn't matter; what matters is whether or not that person has surrendered their will to Christ or not.

The church we attend, when I first started attending I prayed and gave the amount the Lord led me to give. When I joined the church (actually, a week or two before I officially became a member) the Lord "told me" that once I became a member I was to double what I had been giving before.