Bible - KJV or Modern Version Discussion

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   Genesis 3:15 prophecy about the devil or actual snakes?

   June 22, 2005 by JohnnyGotham

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   "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." Becaus not all snakes are snakes are deadly, and most of them don't attack people, this prophecy refers to the stuggle between Jesus and the Anti-christ in Revelations.

   

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   Inspired Scripture Or Inspired Because Quoted? 1 2

   June 16, 2005 by Jerry

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   This is not an addition to the threads on Inspiration, but a separate idea altogether. Do you think certain individuals whose sermons, songs, etc. that we have recorded in Scripture were inspired to speak those things, and then later recorded - or are they only inspired Scripture now that they are recorded in God's Word for us? An example of what I mean: the deacon Stephen and his sermon in Acts 7. I believe that God spoke through him - all the difficulties in that chapter can be reconciled. We have Stephen's inspired commentary on some OT events. Or Mary's and Zechariah's songs - containing some OT quotes. Are these inspired because they are now recorded - or we…

   

   Last reply by Jerry, July 4, 2005
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   The Jesus of The Bible and The jesus of The Koran

   June 26, 2005 by DaveF

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   Many believe that the Jesus of the Bible is the same jesus of the Koran. For example in THE KORAN, translated from the Arabic by J.M. Rodwell: Sura 6, verse 101: "Sole maker of the Earth! how, when HE hath no consort, should He have a son? He hath created everything, and He knoweth everything!" Sura 9, verses 30: "The Jews say, 'Ezra (Ozair) is a son of God', and the Christians say. 'The Messiah is a son of God.' Such the sayings in their mouths! They resemble the saying of the Infidals of old! God do battle with them! How are they misguided!" Sura 9, verse 31: "They take their teachers, and their monks, and the Messiah, son of Mary, for Lords besid…

   

   Last reply by brandplucked, June 30, 2005
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   John 19:39 - 100 or 75 pounds?

   June 28, 2005 by brandplucked

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   John 19:39 - 100 pounds or 75 pounds? Is the NIV better than the KJB? At a internet Christian forum I belong to, one of the members objected to my claim that the King James Bible is without proven error. He posted the following example of what he thinks is an error in the KJB. I had not run into this one before, so it gave me something new to consider. After I did some digging around, I found out that his alleged error post actually came from an article done by Gary R. Hudson, a well known anti-KJB only writer, who himself does not believe in an inerrant Bible. Here is the alleged error. He says: "Consider John 19:39 - The King James Version says: "And the…

   

   Last reply by brandplucked, June 30, 2005
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   Where (ie. What Passage) Was James 4:5 Quoting From?

   June 28, 2005 by Jerry

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   James 4:5 [i]Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, [b]The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy[/b]?[/i] I haven't been able to find where this is a quote from. Some have tried to say that James is quoting from the Septuagint - but there is a lot of proof that the Septuagint (not counting the Pentateuch) was put together by Origen - hundreds of years after the NT was completed (so it is the Greek OT that was adapted somewhat to attempt to fit the NT, not the NT quoting from the Greek OT). I believe Jesus and the Apostles would have quoted the preserved Hebrew Masoretic Text (not a corrupted text - inasmuch as it was translated before the NT era). Coul…

   

   Last reply by Anon, June 28, 2005
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   Excruciating Pain

   June 26, 2005 by Kubel

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   Our pastor started out his message today with something that I really never considered. "Excruciating Pain" Latin: Ex (to come out of, through) Cruce (the cross) The world uses this term every day to describe extreme pain and don't even know that what they are describing is the torment that our Lord experienced on the cross. I thought that was a very interesting little english / latin lesson that would be nice to share with you all. :)

   

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   Language, vowels and such

   June 24, 2005 by Guest Guest

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   I heard a sermon by a guest speaker and it was more of a history lesson then anything, he was mentioning that professors in fundamental colleges are tring to say that 1. The Hebrew language was not the first language, it was a derivavtive of what the canaanites spoke 2. That God spoke in consenants and not vowels when He breathed the Bible through inspiration. and a few other things. Now this speaker was not stating those to be true. Has anyone heard of such bogas teaching?

   

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   "The Bible Fraud" Good for a laugh

   June 23, 2005 by JohnnyGotham

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   http://www.rense.com/general66/hide.htm The article in the above link was writtin by some new age nut. I went to their website, where in their website they offered "a gnostic astrologers outlook for the future." It's total garbage, but I got a few chuckles out of it.

   

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    Quick Question

    June 2, 2005 by nodnarb

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    All of my mothers family is catholic. HEr uncle died last week since he was catholic they had a catholic funeral(which was the strangest thing ever might I add)but they had a lady get up and read a passage of scripture she said it was from the book of wisdom. I have heard of many other books that the catholics add but i have never heard of the book of wisdom. Now my question is where did it come from and is it part of the Approcphal or whatever they call that

    

    Last reply by nodnarb, June 23, 2005
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    "and to thy SEED" - the modern version blunder

    June 20, 2005 by brandplucked

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    One of the Hebrew words the NKJV is constantly changing for no good reason is the word SEED. In Nehemiah 9:2 we read: "And the SEED of Israel separated themselves from all strangers..." The Hebrew word is SEED # 2233, and is used for both the seed of plants and the seed of men. Here SEED is also the reading of the Geneva Bible, the Jewish translations, the RV, ASV, Young's, and many others. Even the NKJV often correctly translates this word as "seed", but not here and not in many other places as well. Here, instead of the correct "the SEED of Israel", the NKJV says "THE LINEAGE of Israel", the NASB has "the descendants", NIV and Holman "those of Israelite DESCENT"…

    

    Last reply by brandplucked, June 22, 2005
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    Messiah cut off, but not for Himself - Daniel 9:26

    June 21, 2005 by brandplucked

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    Daniel 9:26 "Messiah cut off, but NOT FOR HIMSELF" An extremely important Messianic prophecy about the significance of the death of Christ has been drastically changed in a multitude of conflicting modern versions. "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, BUT NOT FOR HIMSELF." Christ, who obviously is the Messiah, was cut off out of the land of the living and He died, not for Himself, but for His people. He laid down His life as a ransom for many. He gave Himself for the church, laid down His life for the sheep, and purchased the church of God with His own blood. By His death the Lord Jesus Christ made reconciliation for iniquity and broug…

    

    Last reply by brandplucked, June 21, 2005
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    Ezra 1:9 Bible Babel in action

    June 2, 2005 by brandplucked

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    Ezra 1:9 - another prime example of the modern Bible Babel In the book of Ezra we read of king Cyrus being moved upon by God Almighty to issue a decree that the Israelites could leave the kingdom of Persia and return to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple. Among the various vessels and utensils the children of Israel carried back with them, we find the following list in Ezra 1:9. "And this is the number of them: thirty chargers of gold, a thousand chargers of silver, nine and twenty KNIVES,..." However there is a confusing hodge-podge of contradictory and conflicting modern versions that have totally different meanings the one from the other. Many people wrongly a…

    

    Last reply by brandplucked, June 20, 2005
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    Are parts of the Bible not inspired?

    June 17, 2005 by JohnnyGotham

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    Someone said that only the spoken word was inspired and not the written word. Is this true?

    

    Last reply by bloodwashed52, June 17, 2005
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    Let me see if I've got this right...

    June 13, 2005 by JohnnyGotham

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    I believe the King James Version I have now is the infallible, inspired, perfect word of God, translated without error. I believe the translation was perfect, and I also believe in "secondary inspiration". I do not believe that the translators themselves were inspired, but I believe the product they made was, just not "more" inspired than the TR. Did I miss anything? Also, if something comes from "secondary inspiration" does that make in more or less inspired than the originals?

    

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    SATAN DISTRACTS CHRISTIANS IN ANY WAY he CAN.

    June 10, 2005 by Guest Guest

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    With other Translaters of Different Versions adding and taking away from Gods Preserved Word KJV, this would distract a lot of Christians from Soul Winning. This is what the satan wants. Suggestions: Take time for both. But KEEP Obsorbed in Gods Preserved Word,KJV. Satan is sly, and ever so Slick with words and meanings,& punctuation, that have been added and taken away in Different Versions,this is one of his tools to to get Christians [b]away from[/b] Soul winning. (satan is in the world working against Christians) Lets all Work for Jesus Christ and Glorify the Kingdom of God, Righteously. Your opinions Please,thanks and God Bless.

    

    Last reply by Guest, June 10, 2005
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    Confusion in other versoins? read this and find out.

    June 10, 2005 by Guest Guest

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    [b]Dear friends, I've posted this message on this website B4 (same board, different artilce), I ask that you read it carefully and let me know your opinions. thanks and God Bless.[/b] "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." Hebrews 13:8. (This includes The ORIGINAL Hebrew and Greek Scrolls and The KJV Bible ). Other versions have Much confusion. Let me prove that to those who think otherwise, ..... ================== Picture this: A Preacher and 5 people in the congregation. The Preacher reads from the NIV- the 5 people read from the HCSB,NLV,CEV, E-W & TM. The Preacher says, " Lets turn to Jon 3:16." Lets look at what the…

    

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    The Book of Philemon

    June 6, 2005 by charles_scarle

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    I've recently been studying the book of Philemon.It's so short but so packed with meaning. Does anyone have anything to say about this book?

    

    Last reply by Guest, June 9, 2005
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    The Authors/Editors Of Corrupt Lexicons

    June 4, 2005 by Jerry

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    I thought these articles were worth passing on. There are many in the KJVonly crowd who would never read a corrupt modern Bible version, YET they will often use or quote from the same corrupt lexicons (dictionaries of Hebrew and Greek) - some of which were even written by those involved in the translations of corrupt versions. For example, if someone does not believe that Jesus was God manifest in the flesh or believe that He made the complete atonement for our sins (and therefore we must still add our good works), then they will certainly be off in some or many of their definitions. Their definitions are to promote their theology. [b][url=http://www.wayoflife.org/f…

    

    Last reply by John the Baptist, June 9, 2005
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    Ezra 8:5 and 10 - nasb (95), niv, esv, Holman add to Hebrew

    June 6, 2005 by brandplucked

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    Ezra 8:5 and 8:10 NASB 95, NIV, ESV, RSV, Holman all add to the Hebrew Scriptures. For many more examples of this sort of thing, see: http://www.geocities.com/brandplucked/NIVapos.html Ezra 8:5 and 8:10 NASB 95, NIV, ESV, RSV, Holman all add to the Hebrew Scriptures. In Ezra chapter eight we read of the genealogy of those who went up with Ezra from Babylon to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple. In Ezra 8:5 we read: "Of the sons of Shechaniah; the son of Jahaziel, and with him three hundred males." This is the reading of the Hebrew text, as well as the Geneva Bible, the RV, ASV, Young's, Darby, Douay, the Spanish Reina Valera, and the Jewish translations of …

    

    Last reply by brandplucked, June 8, 2005
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    "All Bibles have Errors" 1 2 3 4 7

    March 18, 2005 by brandplucked

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    "There is No Infallible Bible" Most Christians today do NOT believe The Bible IS the inerrant and infallible word of God. This statement may seem shocking at first, and many pastors and Christians will give the knee-jerk reaction saying that the do believe the Bible IS the infallible word of God. However, upon further examimation, it will soon be discovered that when they speak of an inerrant Bible, they are not referring to something that actually exists anywhere on this earth. They are talking about a mystical Bible that exists only in their imaginations; and each person's particular version differs from all the others. God said: "Behold, the days come, saith…

    

    Last reply by Guest, June 7, 2005
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    Different Versions - Why are the Different.

    June 7, 2005 by Guest Guest

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    Before I begain with this topic, I really need to be 100% SURE that this is a KJV Only website. moreso that folks won't get offended with what I post on different versions, is it or isn't it? replies please, thanks. ------------------------------------ [b]I would like to show the good people here some information, that I have researched and studied for quite some time now. If you get offended, then upfront, I DO appologize,I mean no offence, but I would like for you to just look and study this information. There are some Interesting Facts that should not be ignored.[/b] ----------------------------------- Hi there Good People! I have been researching more o…

    

    Last reply by Guest, June 7, 2005
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    What are the books of the minor prophets about?

    June 6, 2005 by JohnnyGotham

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    I heard one guy say they should be renaimed "uess what God's angry about now Parts 1-12"? What are they about?

    

    Last reply by bloodwashed52, June 7, 2005
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    Acts 19:20 - Is James White correct?

    June 5, 2005 by brandplucked

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    http://www.geocities.com/brandplucked/Acts5-30.html Acts 19:20 "So mightily grew the word of GOD and prevailed. Is it true that the word "God" should have been translated as "the Lord"?. How do you answer those who challenge the King James Bible in this way, saying that there is a translational error here in Acts 19:20? In his book, The King James Only Controversy, James White says on page 67 that the King James translators used the Latin Vulgate to come up with the reading "the word of GOD", rather than the Greek texts. Is this true? People who say it is a translational error show little understanding of languages. I am not an expert, but I know enough to …

    

    Last reply by brandplucked, June 5, 2005
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    Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments

    May 31, 2005 by brandplucked

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    Revelation 22:14 "Blessed are they that DO HIS COMMANDMENTS" "Blessed are they that DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." This verse is sometimes criticized as teaching a works salvation, and thought to be based on inferior Greek texts. Let's examine the issues more closely. Other modern versions that began to appear with the Revised Version of 1881 are based on a very different Greek text than the Traditional text of the King James Bible. Westcott and Hort introduced textual changes in the New Testament affecting some 5000 words, most of these being omissions; but there also were …

    

    Last reply by brandplucked, June 2, 2005
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    Answering a hypocritical KJB critic 1 2

    May 30, 2005 by brandplucked

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    This conversation took place at another club. Hypocricy of those who do not believe any Bible ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote: Originally Posted by Huldrych You mean "texts." Found this over at kjvonly.org: http://www.kjvonly.org/jamesp/jdprice_greek_text.htm He goes on to show where the AV departs from Stephanus, and where it agrees with other texts (Complutensian Polyglot, Vulgate, etc.) But here's another interesting quote from that article:"Scrivener produced the Greek text that underlies the English of the 1611 edition of the AV. There have been a few alterations in later revisions of the AV t…

    

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