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  1. I haven' studied it out much but I believe the accepted father was Simon the leper of Bethany. It was at Simon's house that Christ publicly rebuked Judas about the Alabaster ointment and it was there where Judas decided to find a way to betray Christ.
  2. Basically, for me, Repentance is the state in which grace can be received. God will not chose a non-repentant person for salvation nor will a non-repentant person want to be saved.
  3. We are currently going over "Repentance and Faith" at church. Below are my notes in regard to this topic. We are also currently going over in our Sunday School every time the word "repent" is being used in scripture. REPENTANCE AND FAITH We believe Repentance and Faith are solemn obligations, and inseparable graces, wrought in our souls by the quickening Spirit of God; thereby, being convicted of our guilt, danger and helplessness, and of the way of salvation by Christ, we turn to God with unfeigned contrition, confession and supplication for mercy; at the same time heartily receiving the Lord Jesus Christ and openly confessing Him as our only and all-sufficient Savior. Psalm 51:1-4,7; Isaiah 55:6-7; Mark 1:15; Luke 12:8; 18:13; Acts 2:37-38; 20:21; Romans 10:9-11,13 Repentance: Always has an inward change of heart and mind that manifests in an outward change. We believe “Repentance towards God” is the spiritual action of humbling one’s self before God in the knowledge they sinned and deserve the punishment declared and is willing to do what is required to make it right again. (Re=to do again; penitence=the state of being penitent; regret; contrition; repentance; penitent=feeling or expressing sorrow for sin or wrongdoing and disposed to atonement and amendment; repentant; contrite. Contrite=showing sincere remorse. filled with a sense of guilt and the desire for atonement; penitent: a contrite sinner. A broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. Psalms 51:17. (Repentance is a requirement for mercy and grace from God regardless if the person has been saved or not. God resist pride but rewards the humble with grace. Proverbs 3:34, James 4:6) Faith: We believe “faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ" is Realizing the penalty and payment made for our rebellion, Accepting this payment, and Relying on Christ to keep us. Obligations: The requirement to do something. (The binding power of a vow, promise, oath or contract, or of law, civil, political or moral, independent of a promise; that which constitutes legal or moral duty, and which renders a person liable to coercion and punishment for neglecting it. The laws and commands of God impose on us an obligation to love him supremely, and our neighbor as ourselves. Every citizen is under an obligation to obey the laws of the state. Moral obligation binds men without promise or contract. Web1828) Grace: A special favor given to the humble sinner to be heard of God, even though Judgement has been declared. Quicken: to make alive again. (1. Primarily, to make alive; to vivify; to revive or resuscitate, as from death or an inanimate state. Romans 4:17.2. To make alive in a spiritual sense; to communicate a principle of grace to.You hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins. Ephesians 2:1. 3. To hasten; to accelerate; as, to quicken motion, speed or flight.4. To sharpen; to give keener perception to; to stimulate; to incite; as, to quicken the appetite or taste; to quicken desires. 5. To revive; to cheer; to reinvigorate; to refresh by new supplies of comfort or grace. Psalms 119:25. Web1828) Thereby: By the Spirit of God we receive the ability to repent, believe, and call out for salvation from our corrupted state. It is not of our own ability but that of the Spirt of God working in us when we hear the Gospel of our salvation. Heartily: From the heart; with all the heart; with sincerity; really. (1. With zeal; actively; vigorously. 2. Eagerly; freely;) only and all-sufficient: Not trusting in self, works, or anything or anyone else to save and that Christ Saves so completely that nothing else is ever needed again. Processes involved in biblical repentance and faith. 1. Man rebels by violating God's order and God declares his intent to punish it. (the Soul that sins shall die) 2. Mankind recognizes their fault, God's rightful justice, accepts it, humbles self before God, and asks for mercy. (re-pentance) 3. God sees their humility before Him and humbles Himself by forgoing judgement and grants mercy. (Mercy. A stay of judgement but not a removal of grievances) 4. God then extends Grace in their humbled so that they can believe in his prescribed method of removing the grievances (Grace) 5. Mankind accepts the method and conditions offered for restoration of peace. (Faith) God repenting: God repents of declared punishment of rebellion only if Mankind repents of the rebellion (Jeremiah 26:13). God does not Repent of Covenants or Promises (Numbers 23:19-20)
  4. We choose Edgecliff because there was no church, real or fake, of any type, within a mile of the neighborhood. It was also situated between two large cities that will need many more baptist churches in the coming future. We have about 6 IFB churches here for 300,000+ people and 20,000+ more each year. Of loose Baptist type we have about 10 solid churches. The rest seem to be very lax on doctrine/standards or protestant/catholic/cult.
  5. Welcome to the forum, David Jay Jordan. I appreciate the fact that you have been serving Christ for over 50 years. You and I have something in common as I am pasturing in your old neighborhood. I do not want to take away form your professed service to Chrsit and commend you for it. However, the problem most have with your testimonial is that you say that Jesus is your authority yet you seem to have never submitted to Believer's Baptism nor to His church, of any type. If you follow scripture and have Christ as your authority then you should also be obedient to a local church. Baptist is basically those churches who baptize and serve Christ in accord with the clear outline presented in the Gospels and Acts as contrasted to catholic and protestant churches which follow extra biblical traditions and teachings. Baptist is not a denomination and can include non-denominational, and other bible churches which follow the NT church model. House gatherings which do not have an ordained pastor, nor practice church discipline, nor have a organized membership, nor great commission effort are not churches.
  6. I should have had three sermons for Acts 15 but didn't so basically this is two sermons in one. The first part we dealt with James use of scripture supporting Peter's testament and conclusions and around the forty minute mark transition to how they were to resolve the issue with their sister church in Antioch.
  7. Confusion on who and what the Church is in this day and time abounds. We believe the Church is not an Israel of any type and that Church and Nations have always had separate functions in both Old and New Testaments. In the last sermon (on Acts 15:1-11) we showed how we are not Israel. In previous sermons we showed how the New Testament Church is an extension of the Old Testament Melchizedek Priesthood, now with Christ as it's High Priest, in Heaven, before God's throne. In this sermon we also show how James uses Amos 9 to show that today the Church is like David's Tabernacle. In the Old Testament, Israel and Church were in fellowship but when the New Testament came and Christ was anointed king, the Nation rejected Him but the Church received Him. This same picture is found with King David. After God, rejected King Saul and had David anointed King, King Saul and the Nation sought David's death. In seeking David's death, King Saul turns against the Tabernacle (Israel's church) by having the Priests of Nob and their families killed (1 Samuel 22). The surviving priest, Abiathar, fled to David for protection and remained separated from the nation until David was received by the nation. James makes it clear that today the Church is with Christ and the Nation is separated from Christ and His Church. We understand from scripture that Israel is separated from Christ, with the world, into the Spirit of Anti-Christ. We also show how the Church in Jerusalem, predominately Jewish in faith and nationally Israelite, reconciled their doctrine with these understandings of separation of Church and State and how in order to be a peace with other churches, particularly those churches of the Gentiles and other nations, wrote letters clearing up and resolving the errors and the unsettling doctrines their members had started to spread. Lastly we are shown the divisions of ministry between Paul and Barnabas because of personal differences. In all this we are given a template for resolving issues between Churches and Ministries, either how to resolve them or how to continue on with ministry without resolving our differences. We show how the resolutions are not based on "forcing" our will upon each other other but rather on mutual cooperation and in the template of Matthew 18, where Christ teaches us how to deal as equals with our brothers. Showing If a resolution cannot be made then we are to separate in peace until it one day it can be made. All the while the primary goal is not to harm and keep pure the gospel ministry, in spite of any unresolved personal differences. Preached: August 5, 2018 Sunday Night. By Pastor John Young, at Edgecliff Baptist Church, Spokane Valley, WA. https://www.facebook.com/EdgecliffCBC/ (Please like, share, and subscribe to the channel for more Bible Sermons!)
  8. Often we hear many say that the church is the true Israel and Christians are the true Jew. While there is an interconnected relationship between them in God's service, Acts 15 makes it clear these are separate and distinct Institutions of God. Failure to keep Israel and Church separate will ultimately lead to compromising the Grace of God given towards the Gentiles and Church, which are in Christ, apart from the Covenant Nation of Israel. Acts 15 shows certain men, Judaizers, who believed Christian salvation was only for those in the Convent Nation of Israel, by the circumcision of Moses and fellowship with God by keeping the Law of Moses. Paul, Barnabas, Peter, and James, knew that the Covenant of Israel, that the Jews, kept was separate and distinct form salvation and the other nations were never under obligations to keep that Covenant and after much discussion the Jerusalem church agreed with this understanding. In this sermon we show why we stand for a clear separation of Church and State Covenants in both Old and New Testaments. Particularly that Israel is not the church and Gentile Christians are not Jews unless they enter into the Covenant of Israel by the Law. We also show how the errors of Keeping the law "for salvation" or "to keep salvation" or "to keep in fellowship" or to "prove our salvation" are derivative of this error of the believing Pharisees. Rather we show how living by true FAITH is better than any LAW. We also give the example of Paul the Apostle to show that he kept the covenant of his own Nation of Israel, as an obedient Jew, even while teaching the gentiles were under no obligation to do so. We also show also show how James, Pastor of the church in Jerusalem, supported this practice of Jewish obedience to the covenant, while supporting the freedom of the Gentiles not to be. Preached: July 29, 2018 Sunday Night. By Pastor John Young, at Edgecliff Baptist Church, Spokane Valley, WA. https://www.facebook.com/EdgecliffCBC/ (Please like, share, and subscribe to the channel for more Bible Sermons!)
  9. Of note is the fact that every verse speaking of predestination Is not ever talking about predestined to "salvation" but rather conformation. In other words the already saved/converted are predestined to be conformed to the image of God's son. So we see that it was predetermined from the beginning for all those who enter into Christ but that the entering in is not at the beginning but rather in the fullness of time. Romans 8:28-30 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Ephesians 1:3-6 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 to the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. Ephesians 1:10-12 that in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: 11 in whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: 12 that we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
  10. I need to correct myself and say that the "request" are later called decrees they were to keep" in Acts 16:4 And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem. 5 And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily. Though this may refer to the letter of Acts 15, may it also be the other epistles of James, Peter, and Jude as well? I'm still of mind that the four request were not the decrees but the resolved doctrine to be taught was the decrees as the doctrine was important but in references to the four request Paul noted that 1 Corinthians 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not. and Romans 14:21-22 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. 22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. Showing the four request were request and not decrees but rather the decrees were Salvation, Church, And Israel, doctrines that were resolved.
  11. A big contention against local autonomy is Acts 15 were they say the "Jerusalem Council" is determining doctrine for "the whole church" but to me it seems to be a case for local autonomy. As it started out with certain men trying to force the gentiles in Antioch to live as Jews for salvation but they went to Jerusalem to resolve the issue because the offending people were members of the Jerusalem church. While some of the apostles weighed in with guidance on the matter, it was James, the pastor of the Jerusalem church and not the apostles that passes sentence on the matter and the letter is written by that church as a clarification of their doctrine and as a request, not as a decree. Its basically Matthew 18 but with automatons churches, showing us how issues between churches should be resolved and not showing a denominational church hierarchy.
  12. "House bound" or "church challenged" maybe? lol
  13. I'm referring to basic reading and facts of scripture. It has nothing to do with Dispensational theology. First ignore the word "jew" for a moment. You do not need that term to understand the concept between Christ's church and the Israeli State. Biblically Israel is a servant nation. Anyone in that nation by the circumcision of Moses is a servant of God. Its priesthood is Levetical and only for those in the nation. Leviticus 25:55 For unto me the children of Israel are servants; they are my servants whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God. Exodus 12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. Biblically the church is a Priesthood and family of God. You enter it by believer's baptism. Its Priesthood is a continuation after the order of Melchizedek and is for any believer in the world. Galatians 3:26-28 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 1 Peter 2:5 ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. Hebrews 5:6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Hebrews 6:20 whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. Hebrews 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? Now "Jew" as you said is a religion but it is also a culture of displaced people. Similar to how the Slavic (Russian) Baptist Church here in Spokane, WA is a church and a Russian culture. You don't have to be Slovic to join but most are and if you join you will pick up a lot of Russian traditions and habits as well. Now to be clear the Slavic church is Russian and many (not all) of their people are Russian descent but they are not in Russia, nor are they Russia. When Israel was dissolved as a nation in the dispersion to Babylon, their identity switched from national to their synagogue or OT church. At the time of Christ the Jews were the only correct teachers of salvation as Christ said: John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. Also Israel had been reconstituted in Jesus day as well (Acts 5:21 And when they heard that, they entered into the temple early in the morning, and taught. But the high priest came, and they that were with him, and called the council together, and all the senate of the children of Israel, and sent to the prison to have them brought.) but the Jews religion was not just in Israel nor was it all Israeli: Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. And all the believing Jews Joined the NT Church in the Apostles generation. Only those Jews rejecting Christ remained in their OT synagogue church and formed the Jewish false religion we have today. Now in Acts 15 the believing Jews confused Israel and the NT Church. Because they had been in their displaced Israeli church they identified Church and Israel as being the same, So they said the Non Israeli had to Join the nation by circumcision of Moses in order to access the salvation of Christ. Acts 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judæa taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. What you need to understand is that the church is not a spiritual Israel but rather the priesthood of the Kingdom of Heaven. The Kingdom of Heaven is the spiritual nation that the church will be a priesthood for. Mark 1:14-15 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. Israel and its Jewish religion had first chances to enter and indeed the believing did but the unbelieving did not. Acts 1:5-8 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. 6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. So you see the church is NOT a "spiritual Israel" but Israel will receive the kingdom when Christ returns to take control of that nation as its King and cut the wicked off from it. Romans 9:27-29 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: 28 for he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. 29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha. Romans 11:25-27 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 for this ismy covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
  14. What you are referring to is replacement theology which basically confuses Church and State. Israel is a nation. Its father is Jacob. They are a servant people by flesh. The church is a priesthood its father is God, they are sons by Spirit. It is possible to be saved and not part of Israel. It is also possible to be saved and part of Israel. It is also possible to be lost and part of Israel. Acts 15 shows clearly Jews were of Israel and Christ but the Gentiles were just of Christ without needing to be of Israel at all.
  15. I've spoken to him on facebook a few times. We disagree on theology and on his online persona direction if you will but I actually like him somewhat and knows he is a genuine christian who wants people saved. Having watched his ministry over the years, I can tell you he is very smart and I would say he knows exactly what he is doing. One friend of mine likened him to the Donald Trump of the IFB world. He he knows how to pick the "right" enemies and build an online audience around it and then capitalizes on it. Notice his positions carters to the average online "nut" that no average IFB guy would typically reach and he has been able to reach them and mobilize them somewhat into soul winners, followers, or hecklers who will in turn draw in more. He is not actually interested in if the average IFB guy likes him online but that it gets views from the greater online world. Again I'm not saying I agree with his methods but whatever he is, he is not definitely not ignorant. (For example, the above video would not have been shared normally hut because the inciting crude language, now its being shared. It does not mater if the one sharing it likes it or not. every share helps make the "controversial video" go viral to reach those who would not have seen it otherwise. then when it goes viral the news picks it up and the more it reaches.)
  16. Here is a good Youtube video of a quality live stream tutorial showing all the components for a church set up with the sound system. Both the cell stream and camera computer setups are shown.
  17. We don't live stream but we do upload and post the sermons because our space does not have internet. We use a Cannon Vixia HF R62. It has a 52x optical zoom and a aux audio input that can be plugged into your sound system if needed and a hmdi plug for the computer live stream feed and a slot for an SD card for manual uploads. The camera can be bought online referbished for around $160. The newer models go for around $250 but are basically the same. The cheapest and easiest is just to have a good cellphone in the front row directly streaming with the Facebook or Youtube but for quality sound and video the camera will work in the sound booth connected to a video processing box (it takes the HD processing load off of your computer) that is then connected to a quality computer connected to the live stream.
  18. The church plant I currently pastor has about 12 right now and we post our sermons as well. As few main reasons we do it is because it is a cheap and easy way to evangelize and get our message out to those we minister to, it gives us an openness and accountability to our home church and community, so even if they do not attend they will know what is being taught and done in our church. Because the church is a second generation church plant of Steven Anderson's church. Faithful Word Baptist Church sent out Donnie Romero to start Steadfast Baptist church in Fort worth Texas and they sent out Adam Fanin to start Steadfast Baptist of Jacksonville,FL. He is not yet an ordained pastor but consider him an evangelist out of their church. The church is still under the authority of Steadfast of Fort Worth.
  19. I don't consider myself a Dispensationalist and I allow non-dispensationlist in our church. We hold to a Stewardship Theology. Though I have a feeling that the issues you have are not actually with dispensation theology itself. The fact that you bring up the "Jewish question" and then relate it to dispensational theology shows you have been primed against the theology even before you actually know what it is. Probably by a person who holds to Replacement theology. Not being able to defined replacement of Israel with the church from the scriptures directly, they have to confuse the issue by appealing to "Jewish religion" and the "historical Christian view" Which is just another term for catholic theology. Catholic theology believes they are the "Spiritual" State of Israel. Baptist, on the other hand believe in the separation of Church and State. Even in the OT Church and State were separate.
  20. I put non-denominational.... I do consider myself Baptist but I don't consider that a denomination... Though I am thinking about switching my denomination to "Independent right wing fried chicken eating radical baptist" or something.
  21. Seems to me it is time to talk removal proceedings for "tooldtocare". Why do you join a Baptist site yet only post leftist political rhetoric?
  22. Leviticus 20 gives the Penalties for committing the Abominations listed in Leviticus 18. The primary sin from which the rest flows is the abomination of "whoring with Molech". This basically was the giving of their new born babies to be killed by burning over a fire on the hands of a metal Idol called Molech. This evil practice was done by people who wanted to get rid of their unwanted children in exchange for the idol to give them good crops. This practice was popular with promiscuous men who did not want the responsibility for the child or mother. God commanded the most severe penalty for such whoremonger. Not only was Molech outlawed any man spreading his seed in the land and giving it to Molech was to be put to death and if he was not then wrath would also be against his family and nation. In this sermon we see how allowing such men in the land will result in and lead to the other societal abominations as well. This chapter deals with the penalties for molestation, fornication, adultery, hatred of parents, homosexual acts, bestiality, and witchcraft. In this sermon we explain how each nation has a duty to keep the whorish men of Molech from destroying their land or the land will spew us out and God's wrath will be on our nation. Preached: April 29, 2018 Sunday Morning. By Pastor John Young, at Edgecliff Baptist Church, Spokane Valley, WA.
  23. I had a good time preaching this a few weeks ago. The text says he is a believer but that he desired a power that did not belong to him and was becoming bitter. Its similar to a lot of Christians who want to serve God in certain ways or in a certain office but are not qualified to serve in that way. We get our term Simony (the buying of church offices) because of Simon.

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