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  1. The two branches of God's rule on earth is the Church and the Courts. In Psalm 82 we deal with the authority that God has given to the Judges of the earth. We learn that they are treated as "gods" because they have been given authority from God to dispense His justice, over Mankind, on His behalf. While this Authority is invested primarily in the Judges it also extends over and applies to the executives as the executors of the judge's ruling of the Law. In this sermon we deal with the Judges roles in a civilized society and their responsibility before God to Judge in righteous Judgement. We also deal with the responsibility of Christians to do their best to make sure righteous and godly men are appointed to the rule of law in our Nations. We also deal with the fact that as Christians, it is better to settle our civil (not criminal) problems outside of court, and even suffer to be defrauded, rather than allow an unrighteous judge to rule over disputes among Believers. We also show how the same Spirit that gives the Judge his authority is in every New Testament Believer. This Spirit was called by Christ as "the Word of God" by which the Judges were to discern righteous judgement (John 10:34-36). Therefor we also, as the Sons of God, should also make righteous judgments and actions as they pertain to our own lives and relationships, as God will also hold us accountable in following His Word. Preached: December 12, 2018 Wednesday Night. By Pastor John Young, at Edgecliff Baptist Church, Spokane Valley, WA. https://www.facebook.com/EdgecliffCBC/ (Please like, share, and subscribe to the Youtube channel for more Bible Sermons!) #CivilAuthority #YeAregods #JudgeRighteousJudgement #JudgesAreTheFoundationOfSociety #GodJudgesTheJudgers #SonsOfGod #ChildrenOfGod #Psalm82 #John1034
  2. I would say that the majority of IFB pastors are actually humbly and quietly working and serving in their local areas and are mostly model Christians (There are over 6,000 IFB preachers in America). Its the very few public, limelight teachers (many not even pasotrs or IFB) that spread most of the contention that I have seen which give that impression to the masses who see their bad spirit. And conversely the same attitude in those of the Non-KJB limlight teachers do not help matters any.
  3. Fact is there are two types of Jews just as there are two types of Gentiles. Saved and unsaved. I will go further and say for the blinded Jews that there are two types, those that embrace their OT covenant Heritage and those that don't. To attribute the wickedness of a few anti-Christ Jews to the whole is wicked. This would be like attributing the actions of Israelite Baal worshipers on the OT to King David or equating the evils of the false religious leaders actions to the early Jewish church that gave to us Gentiles the Gospel of salvation. So to today there are lost and blinded Jews that have nothing to do with the actions of the anti-Christ Jews. Fact is that in any nation and culture there are wheat and tares that grow up together. Only at the harvest will they be separated by God and the angels and We are warned not to attempt to pull up the tares ourselves lest we hurt the wheat. Today the Pro- and Anti- Zionist political movements among Christians have infiltrated our churches and both positions are wrong. One seeks to materially and physically bless the Jew indiscriminately while the other seeks to curse the Jew indiscriminately. Neither side has an interest in their salvation. Rather we are to, as Paul did, seek their salvation while not condoning or enabling wicked actions. Be careful that you are not deceived by the propaganda of the devil regarding the blinded Jew (as Paul too was a blinded Jew who was evilly manipulated by the devil). Most of these modern Pro and Anti Jew groups and ideas are just the two sides of the same evil coin. Fact is that ALL Jews are in a covenant with God by their circumcision. Some will be obedient and circumcise their heart as well but others will be blinded and even others will actively rebel against their covenant by joining their heart to the devil. What we must do as Christians is continue the Great Commission indiscriminately to Jew and gentile alike regardless what the Physical Jew does. Matthew 13:24-30 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Luke 3:16-17 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: 17 whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable. Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. Romans 12:14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not. 2 Chronicles 19 And Jehoshaphat the king of Judah returned to his house in peace to Jerusalem. 2 And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the Lord? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the Lord. 3 Nevertheless there are good things found in thee, in that thou hast taken away the groves out of the land, and hast prepared thine heart to seek God. 4 And Jehoshaphat dwelt at Jerusalem: and he went out again through the people from Beer-sheba to mount Ephraim, and brought them back unto the Lord God of their fathers. 5 And he set judges in the land throughout all the fenced cities of Judah, city by city, 6 and said to the judges, Take heed what ye do: for ye judge not for man, but for the Lord, who is with you in the judgment. 7 Wherefore now let the fear of the Lord be upon you; take heed and do it: for there is no iniquity with the Lord our God, nor respect of persons, nor taking of gifts. 8 Moreover in Jerusalem did Jehoshaphat set of the Levites, and of the priests, and of the chief of the fathers of Israel, for the judgment of the Lord, and for controversies, when they returned to Jerusalem. 9 And he charged them, saying, Thus shall ye do in the fear of the Lord, faithfully, and with a perfect heart. 10 And what cause soever shall come to you of your brethren that dwell in their cities, between blood and blood, between law and commandment, statutes and judgments, ye shall even warn them that they trespass not against the Lord, and so wrath come upon you, and upon your brethren: this do, and ye shall not trespass. 11 And, behold, Amariah the chief priest is over you in all matters of the Lord; and Zebadiah the son of Ishmael, the ruler of the house of Judah, for all the king’s matters: also the Levites shall be officers before you. Deal courageously, and the Lord shall be with the good.
  4. Please pray for Brother James Knox. He has been experiencing neural visual impairments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNWjEJXsiaQ
  5. I think its dangerous to paint Anderson's "followers" with broad strokes or to say that they are only out to get people to say "a prayer". As with any person with false or errant beliefs that would come to our church, seeking a place to serve, and who share with us their views, to see where our common ground is, we should never write them off as "part of that cult". Rather the pastors who deal with them should treat them with long suffering and compassion, and should also be ready to answer their questions with clear scripture and not just baptist platitudes. To me Anderson's "followers" have the same spirit as the Ruckman "followers" of the past. Filled with crazy ideas from the non local crazy "TV Personality" but if treated right can make great level headed church workers and their wrinkles can be ironed out over time as they study the scripture in the local church. They can't get that if we all push them away to Anderson's franchise churches.
  6. Keep in mind many of them were saved because of his ministry or were nominal Christians that would not have had any interest at all in going to church, much less an independent baptist one, before stumbling on to his videos online. So any exposure to passionate doctrine has only been by his videos. While many of them will bring up Anderson's unique doctrines, most just want a place to humbly serve in soulwinning and are reasonable when making clear they are welcome if they do not speak against the church doctrine. Granted there are trolls and trouble makers in the mix but those usually don't last long.
  7. The Jewish afterlife is called "Olam Ha-Ba": http://www.jewfaq.org/olamhaba.htm
  8. Brother Will, all of us Baptist here familiar with your work and research on the King James Bible issue appreciate you alot. However, you will find very few of us here really care very much for Reformed theology's in house arguments which ultimately amounts to a technical argument between Theodore Beza and his student Arminius. In their insatiable desires to prove there own ideas about HOW God moves and keeps people in salvation they both ignore clear contexts in order to prove the other wrong. Most of us here are Contextual Bible Christians and Not "Reformed theology" Christians so do not care very much for even the flawed theology that frames this argument between two groups of people who are on the opposite sides of the SAME wrong non-contextual theology.
  9. Because of our small size we do not have an "alter call" but I do say to get a hold of me after the service if they need to be dealt with on a matter. While there are abuses and misunderstandings of its purpose (as with anything) its actually not a bad practice. An alter is basically a place where you give something over to the LORD. The Levitical sacrifices for example were about: 1. Giving your whole life to God or dedicating yourself to a specific purpose (burnt offering) 2. Giving your tithes or first fruits (Meat offering) 3. Making peace with God on an issue (peace offering) 4. Giving over a sin to God and asking forgiveness for committing it (Sin offering) 5. Asking forgiveness for not reverencing something holy or for treating a holy thing in a common way (trespass offering). All of these are now dealt with at or around the "Lord's table" instead of an actual alter.
  10. John Young

    New car!

    If you are in the same Commonwealth does that mean you are just a Southern Canadian? Or are they northern Aussies? or are you all just displaced British?
  11. Wow, that many? I wasn't counting. I think maybe limiting the ability to create new main post to like one or two a day but still be able to comment on the forum would be reasonable for most new members. Even regular members hardly ever post more than a few new topics. Even our teachers here don't open new topics very often. Usually if there were more than one or two in a day it was by a false teacher trying to overwhelm the forum and had no real interest in actually teaching or clearly answering honest questions.
  12. I don't mind new people having some freedom to post several topics in the general forums so we get a general idea of their doctrine and demeanor and so they can get a feel for becoming an active member but when some one posts 20+ new main topics their first few days with each one pages long like this EvangAlived person.....pretty excessive.
  13. The Reprobate doctrine is certainly not limited to Anderson's Camp in the IFB. I also hold to a reprobate doctrine. Its clear in scripture that there are people who God had stopped dealing with and in full knowledge freely reject God and fully accept the devil as their father. Where most would disagree is in being able to determine who is Reprobate with certainty. Paul appeared outwardly reprobate but obtained mercy because he did not know and many outwardly alternative lifestyles appear reprobate and are on that path to destruction but are actually confused victims of sodomite Reprobates. John 6:43-45 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;... 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;...32 who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. John 8:43-45 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 1 Timothy 1:12-13 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; 13 who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
  14. In regard to "Replacement theology" I want to point out that "commonwealth", in the overall context of Ephesians 2 and the rest of the bible, does not mean the Gentiles are now in the same physical or "spiritual" country called "Israel" but rather only share in the same economy and governance. We Join in to the same "household of God" by faith and in the "Body of Christ" but in regard to the nations, they still remain separate nations, even into the millennium. We partake in Israel's "common wealth" of faith but not Israel itself. Some natural branches of God's "household of faith" were broken off because they did not have faith but gentiles were graphed in because they did have faith. An example of this in the past was seen in the British commonwealth with Canada, Australia, south Africa, and India, etc who joined in a shared economy and shared style of governance with the Queen as their symbolic head but remained independent countries. So too we Gentiles of faith join the OT saints of faith in heavenly places with Christ but do not join into the nation of Israel itself nor with their particular covenant unless by "Circumcision of Moses" (Acts chapters 15, 21 and Exodus 12:48).
  15. Luck is truly biblical when it comes to Pot-Luck Dinners at church, I'm sure it and "casserole" are from transliterated Greek or Hebrew words for freewill meat offerings or something. Either way it is a tradition handed down to us by faithful men and women and it has been very beneficial to the body of Christ. So we are very lucky to have it.
  16. Edgecliff Baptist Church in Spokane Valley, WA. Its currently a church plant and the acting pastor is myself - John Young.
  17. I went to one church down south, a long while ago, that the women had gotten spare modesty attachments for dresses. They were about the size of a hand towel and attached to the garment. If a new person came and was clear they were trying but just didn't know how to cover properly, one of the older ladies would kindly take here aside and explain the churches modesty requirements and show her how to attach it. Typically those who dressed immodestly did not come on their own but were invited by a conservative relative who would take them aside, so there was not to big of a problem with it for them.
  18. I haven' studied it out much but I believe the accepted father was Simon the leper of Bethany. It was at Simon's house that Christ publicly rebuked Judas about the Alabaster ointment and it was there where Judas decided to find a way to betray Christ.
  19. Basically, for me, Repentance is the state in which grace can be received. God will not chose a non-repentant person for salvation nor will a non-repentant person want to be saved.
  20. We are currently going over "Repentance and Faith" at church. Below are my notes in regard to this topic. We are also currently going over in our Sunday School every time the word "repent" is being used in scripture. REPENTANCE AND FAITH We believe Repentance and Faith are solemn obligations, and inseparable graces, wrought in our souls by the quickening Spirit of God; thereby, being convicted of our guilt, danger and helplessness, and of the way of salvation by Christ, we turn to God with unfeigned contrition, confession and supplication for mercy; at the same time heartily receiving the Lord Jesus Christ and openly confessing Him as our only and all-sufficient Savior. Psalm 51:1-4,7; Isaiah 55:6-7; Mark 1:15; Luke 12:8; 18:13; Acts 2:37-38; 20:21; Romans 10:9-11,13 Repentance: Always has an inward change of heart and mind that manifests in an outward change. We believe “Repentance towards God” is the spiritual action of humbling one’s self before God in the knowledge they sinned and deserve the punishment declared and is willing to do what is required to make it right again. (Re=to do again; penitence=the state of being penitent; regret; contrition; repentance; penitent=feeling or expressing sorrow for sin or wrongdoing and disposed to atonement and amendment; repentant; contrite. Contrite=showing sincere remorse. filled with a sense of guilt and the desire for atonement; penitent: a contrite sinner. A broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. Psalms 51:17. (Repentance is a requirement for mercy and grace from God regardless if the person has been saved or not. God resist pride but rewards the humble with grace. Proverbs 3:34, James 4:6) Faith: We believe “faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ" is Realizing the penalty and payment made for our rebellion, Accepting this payment, and Relying on Christ to keep us. Obligations: The requirement to do something. (The binding power of a vow, promise, oath or contract, or of law, civil, political or moral, independent of a promise; that which constitutes legal or moral duty, and which renders a person liable to coercion and punishment for neglecting it. The laws and commands of God impose on us an obligation to love him supremely, and our neighbor as ourselves. Every citizen is under an obligation to obey the laws of the state. Moral obligation binds men without promise or contract. Web1828) Grace: A special favor given to the humble sinner to be heard of God, even though Judgement has been declared. Quicken: to make alive again. (1. Primarily, to make alive; to vivify; to revive or resuscitate, as from death or an inanimate state. Romans 4:17.2. To make alive in a spiritual sense; to communicate a principle of grace to.You hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins. Ephesians 2:1. 3. To hasten; to accelerate; as, to quicken motion, speed or flight.4. To sharpen; to give keener perception to; to stimulate; to incite; as, to quicken the appetite or taste; to quicken desires. 5. To revive; to cheer; to reinvigorate; to refresh by new supplies of comfort or grace. Psalms 119:25. Web1828) Thereby: By the Spirit of God we receive the ability to repent, believe, and call out for salvation from our corrupted state. It is not of our own ability but that of the Spirt of God working in us when we hear the Gospel of our salvation. Heartily: From the heart; with all the heart; with sincerity; really. (1. With zeal; actively; vigorously. 2. Eagerly; freely;) only and all-sufficient: Not trusting in self, works, or anything or anyone else to save and that Christ Saves so completely that nothing else is ever needed again. Processes involved in biblical repentance and faith. 1. Man rebels by violating God's order and God declares his intent to punish it. (the Soul that sins shall die) 2. Mankind recognizes their fault, God's rightful justice, accepts it, humbles self before God, and asks for mercy. (re-pentance) 3. God sees their humility before Him and humbles Himself by forgoing judgement and grants mercy. (Mercy. A stay of judgement but not a removal of grievances) 4. God then extends Grace in their humbled so that they can believe in his prescribed method of removing the grievances (Grace) 5. Mankind accepts the method and conditions offered for restoration of peace. (Faith) God repenting: God repents of declared punishment of rebellion only if Mankind repents of the rebellion (Jeremiah 26:13). God does not Repent of Covenants or Promises (Numbers 23:19-20)
  21. We choose Edgecliff because there was no church, real or fake, of any type, within a mile of the neighborhood. It was also situated between two large cities that will need many more baptist churches in the coming future. We have about 6 IFB churches here for 300,000+ people and 20,000+ more each year. Of loose Baptist type we have about 10 solid churches. The rest seem to be very lax on doctrine/standards or protestant/catholic/cult.
  22. Welcome to the forum, David Jay Jordan. I appreciate the fact that you have been serving Christ for over 50 years. You and I have something in common as I am pasturing in your old neighborhood. I do not want to take away form your professed service to Chrsit and commend you for it. However, the problem most have with your testimonial is that you say that Jesus is your authority yet you seem to have never submitted to Believer's Baptism nor to His church, of any type. If you follow scripture and have Christ as your authority then you should also be obedient to a local church. Baptist is basically those churches who baptize and serve Christ in accord with the clear outline presented in the Gospels and Acts as contrasted to catholic and protestant churches which follow extra biblical traditions and teachings. Baptist is not a denomination and can include non-denominational, and other bible churches which follow the NT church model. House gatherings which do not have an ordained pastor, nor practice church discipline, nor have a organized membership, nor great commission effort are not churches.
  23. I should have had three sermons for Acts 15 but didn't so basically this is two sermons in one. The first part we dealt with James use of scripture supporting Peter's testament and conclusions and around the forty minute mark transition to how they were to resolve the issue with their sister church in Antioch.
  24. Confusion on who and what the Church is in this day and time abounds. We believe the Church is not an Israel of any type and that Church and Nations have always had separate functions in both Old and New Testaments. In the last sermon (on Acts 15:1-11) we showed how we are not Israel. In previous sermons we showed how the New Testament Church is an extension of the Old Testament Melchizedek Priesthood, now with Christ as it's High Priest, in Heaven, before God's throne. In this sermon we also show how James uses Amos 9 to show that today the Church is like David's Tabernacle. In the Old Testament, Israel and Church were in fellowship but when the New Testament came and Christ was anointed king, the Nation rejected Him but the Church received Him. This same picture is found with King David. After God, rejected King Saul and had David anointed King, King Saul and the Nation sought David's death. In seeking David's death, King Saul turns against the Tabernacle (Israel's church) by having the Priests of Nob and their families killed (1 Samuel 22). The surviving priest, Abiathar, fled to David for protection and remained separated from the nation until David was received by the nation. James makes it clear that today the Church is with Christ and the Nation is separated from Christ and His Church. We understand from scripture that Israel is separated from Christ, with the world, into the Spirit of Anti-Christ. We also show how the Church in Jerusalem, predominately Jewish in faith and nationally Israelite, reconciled their doctrine with these understandings of separation of Church and State and how in order to be a peace with other churches, particularly those churches of the Gentiles and other nations, wrote letters clearing up and resolving the errors and the unsettling doctrines their members had started to spread. Lastly we are shown the divisions of ministry between Paul and Barnabas because of personal differences. In all this we are given a template for resolving issues between Churches and Ministries, either how to resolve them or how to continue on with ministry without resolving our differences. We show how the resolutions are not based on "forcing" our will upon each other other but rather on mutual cooperation and in the template of Matthew 18, where Christ teaches us how to deal as equals with our brothers. Showing If a resolution cannot be made then we are to separate in peace until it one day it can be made. All the while the primary goal is not to harm and keep pure the gospel ministry, in spite of any unresolved personal differences. Preached: August 5, 2018 Sunday Night. By Pastor John Young, at Edgecliff Baptist Church, Spokane Valley, WA. https://www.facebook.com/EdgecliffCBC/ (Please like, share, and subscribe to the channel for more Bible Sermons!)

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