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  1. We also have to know what is Testament, which rules over all mankind and what is a personal or group covenant which rules over only a select group of people. While we can learn what God likes and wants by looking at an individual or group covenant, but we are not obligated to keep a covenant we are not in. The National covenant of Israel also standardized what they were to do in regard to Testament obligations so there is some overlap in laws so their covenant is a good good tool to see what was required of God for the Old Testament as well. Many Nations, though not under the National covenant of Israel, have been blessed by aliening with the laws and structures of Israel so though something bay not be an obligation for us to keep it can make for good practices for society and health as a whole. Today we live in the New Testament because Christ took over Old Testament Melchizedek priesthood, and sacrifices for intersession for mankind, so we do not do any of the Levitical sacrifices, or holy days, or cleansings for physical righteousness (though they are sill good for basic hygiene!).
  2. Are you saying that Jesus' resurrection was on Friday before dark? The Jewish sabbath starts on our Friday night at dusk.
  3. We don't but that's what the Passover week is called in scripture. Luke 22:1 Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover. 2 Chronicles 35:17 And the children of Israel that were present kept the passover at that time, and the feast of unleavened bread seven days. Ezekiel 45:21 In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten. Matthew 26:17 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover? Mark 14:1 After two days was the feast of the passover, and of unleavened bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death. Mark 14:12 And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?
  4. In the quote his words are in black and mine are in red. Scripture that I reposted is in green. I didn't accuse him of anything.
  5. Israel means "God's Prince" which meant that God gave him power and authority and protection, both in heaven and in Earth, to rule over God's nation of Covenanted people. When Jacob ruled in faith the Bible would call him Israel but when he was fearful or in doubt of God's promises and protection he would be called Jacob in the Bible. Many times His name would alternate from Jacob to Israel in joining chapters. The "Nation of Israel" is more properly called "the Children of Israel" and is in reference to all of those who exited Egypt with Moses (including the mixed multitude that did not come physically from Jacob) and partook of the Israelite Covenant at Mount Sinai. Often when God promises to do something for the the nation of Israel, even when they do not have faith in His promises, then He will refer to the nation as Jacob. The "Israel of God" is in reference to those in the covenant of Israel and are also believers in Christ. The "Israel of God" does not include all believers but only the believers who are also in the "covenant of Israel". Those who do not believe in Christ but were born in the covenant of Israel will be "cut off in Righteousness" when Christ returns to set up the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. I can give a verse study later that shows these things, when I have more time.
  6. Easter is not pagan. It simply means "to rise in the East" and is a early Christian reference to the resurrection morning, which they memorialized at the end of their Passover week. Her is a good link from Brother Will Kinney's website that ducuments the proper meaning of the work and why the pagan myth is in error: https://brandplucked.webs.com/easter.htm?fbclid=IwAR3vdsm5pUf08BLNz8IEoA-pwQDxnsyiZc7tG9M_1FFFFRQb3DAuKoPNxf0
  7. To be clear, I believe Anderson and those in or friendly to the NIFB need to be called out on their errors in doctrine and practices but that it should not be mixed with unprovable rumors, assumptions about their motives, questioning their salvation, or personal ad hominem attacks to their person. Their error will not go away with sharp rebuke either as it is a doctrinal thing that is causing their errors and not mere disobedience to things they already know to do. The only thing that will work is clear and patient biblical teaching to their questions, regardless of how we are treated in response. 2 Timothy 2:24-26 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
  8. I understand where you are coming from. In my estimation though I see it not as salvation problem but a Doctrinal one. Most of those pastors who are flocking to his group (I believe Anderson himself as well) are saved but had doctrinal questions that they were not getting answered or were given wrong answers by their dispensationalist/IFB teachers. Not getting those answers from main IFB teaching they ended up getting them from other places that had a fundamentally wrong but "simple to understand from the bible" view that skews how they see the scriptures in regards to Israel. Regardless, Whatever opinion one has about the motives of Anderson and company, the only way it will be resolved is to have clear and loving refutation of His errant doctrine. Anything else will just serve to justify what they now believe and are doing to other churches.
  9. I think you've been mis-informed on what they teach about repentance. Also, as a rule, most do present the Gospel to everyone at the door who is willing to listen, as they believe everyone has the right to hear the gospel even if they won't believe it. They don't believe in making instant judgement call about a person they just met, unless of course that person is in their face about it. Which at that point that person probably isn't interested in hearing gospel anyway. And many of those in the NIFB do realize some are confused victims of that lifestyle indoctrination and not full fledged sodomites. In fact they often say they witness to more homosexuals door to door on accident then most do on purpose. In regards to Repentance, they are opposed to the term "Repent of Sins for salvation" or any variant, as when it is used by Armenians and other protestants, including many reformed Baptist and some independents, does mean stop sinning for salvation (which as we know means to tun back to the law before Christ will save you and to stay obedient to stay saved). They are opposed to any term that makes it seem as if the sinner stoping sin has any part in their salvation, as opposed to placing 100% trust in Christ alone to save and keep them saved. They do realize that the person needs to understand that they are a sinner and needs to turn to Christ in full faith for redemption of their sins (not just say a 123prayer as some claim).
  10. I may explain later why I think the "cult" narrative is flawed and not correct but rather we should focus on the core errors of their doctrine instead.
  11. I don't agree with the "cult" narrative, as that's a too arbitrary and subjective term. While I believe them to be a legitimate branch/camp of IFBs who have a right heart for soul winning, I do agree they are severely mistaken on key bible doctrines because if their inability to discern the differences in similar term and the covenants and testaments. Part three of this series is better than part 2.
  12. I know a lot of people who look saved for one reason or another but aren't. Some grew up as Christians and knew the actions and even liked the culture and had it in the head as a nice way to live life and even perceived it as intellectually viable, or even believed in Christianity on some level but it was never in their heart. God was never their authority and when something better to them came along, they took it. Parable of the four soils as an example. Atheism is just another religion, and like another, attempts to convert to their cause and sow seeds of doubt. If he merely became a secularist and naturalist then he would not care about Christians, as its all over when we die anyway. Much less come on a Baptist forum. He would just think to live and let live. His appeal to the fallacy of the "no true Scotsman" is plain silly considering he is an apologist for atheism. If he is to claim that fallacy then he would have to reasonably prove his conversion by providing at least his salvation and baptism testimonial, his local church contact information so we can verify his Christian service. Then, if he held up to the outward signs of being a true born again Christian and then we who examined him removed or modified the scriptural qualifications, only then could he claim the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. As it stands he could just be some white dude in a kilt claiming to be a Scotsman.
  13. Do you know what the cause of it is yet?
  14. He actually repented of that teaching a few years ago and apologized for believing it. The link I posted above is a refutation of any type of salvation other than that of faith in the Blood of Christ for any age and presents the following quots in its conclusion: "Although some teach that a person is saved by faith and works in the Tribulation (which is what I was taught), there is no indication that a man’s works are salvific. If people are taught that their works are an element in salvation and this turns out to be wrong, trusting in one’s faith PLUS WORKS will condemn the individual for trusting in a false gospel and a false hope (Revelation 14:6)."..."Salvation has always been and always will be by trusting in God’s revealed truth. Salvation is by grace because no one deserves salvation. Salvation is by grace because no one can earn salvation. Salvation is by grace through faith otherwise an individual could boast for the part he plays in his soul’s redemption. Salvation of the soul is always the unmerited favor of God. Praise God He opened my eyes to this truth and I have repented of having taught this wrong." While I still do not agree with certain particulars of his teaching I believe his material to have good value and shows a healthy level of thought that can be a helpful addition to our own personal study.
  15. Brother Doug Stauffer has a good article on the topic worth considering. It can be read by following this link: http://www.dougstauffer.com/2019/04/tribulation-salvation-by-blood.html
  16. In the second part of our two part study on "Dispensational Stewardship" we show how the believer can actually discern the Bible's doctrine without first learning an artificial framework theology. We show how the natural divisions and terms already in scripture are there to aid the believer in their study. In this overview of the Bible's terms we focuses primarily on understanding what Testaments, Covenants, Promises, and Laws are and how they work together to fulfill the Will of God. We emphasize the importance of discerning, learning, and keeping the Testaments, Covenants, Promises, separate and distinct while understanding how they work together to form our doctrine and practices. Preached: February 27, 2019 Wednesday Night. By Pastor John Young, at Edgecliff Baptist Church, Spokane Valley, WA. https://www.facebook.com/EdgecliffCBC/ (Please like, share, and subscribe for more Bible Sermons!) #DispensationalTheology #CovenantTheology #TheologicalFrameworks #BibleFrameworks #DispensationalStewardship #Stewardship #Steward #Dispensation #Dispensations #Covenant #Covenants #Theology (Link to Part 1 - Understanding Your Divine Mandates: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B6Q0DfXFNQ)
  17. In this two part general overview on "Dispensational Stewardship" we discuss Bible theology and how we should view and study the scriptures as contrasted by Dispensational and Covenant theologies. We believe the biblical view is realized when we look at the scriptures as a servant learning and serving in their God given role in life or as called here their "Dispensational Stewardship". Unlike the former two theologies which impose a man made structure and divisions onto the scriptures in attempts to understand the Bible, "Dispensational Stewardship" seeks to use the bible's own structure and unity to frame our biblical world view and understand our place within it. “Dispensational Stewardship” takes the position that we are servants of God tasked with divine mandates. We believe these Divine mandates as framed in God’s commissions and stewardships to us and are to determine the scope and nature of our actions as we humbly serve God and relate to others and the natural and spiritual worlds around us. These mandates are innately and naturally discerned and divinely revealed. Innately as determined from within ourselves in the way God has programmed us to function, naturally as we learn to relate to the world about us in which God has placed us, and Divinely revealed by God. Either directly by Divine personal revelation and guidance or indirectly by the witness of written Scripture. As we discern what God has dispensed to us and as we study scripture, we learn our role and place in God’s Divine plan and household and how to be faithful stewards. We believe this Stewardship should determine how we naturally and with Divine guidance study the scriptures to practically learn how to be, to the best of our ability, profitable servants of God’s creation. To this end, we take note of the following words as used in scripture, as to the organization in which God frames the Scripture so that we can learn how to use them properly as we serve Him. Dispensations, Stewardships, Testaments, Covenants, Promises, Will of God, Law, Discernment, Wisdom. In this two part lesson we give an overview of how each word relates to our study of scripture, to help the believer as they study these words in light of this view of their "Dispensational Stewardship", also using the Websters 1828 definitions, and example scriptures. Preached: February 24, 2019 Sunday Morning. By Pastor John Young, at Edgecliff Baptist Church, Spokane Valley, WA. https://www.facebook.com/EdgecliffCBC/ (Please like, share, and subscribe for more Bible Sermons!) #DispensationalTheology #CovenantTheology #TheologicalFrameworks #BibleFrameworks #DispensationalStewardship #Stewardship #Steward #Dispensation #Dispensations #Covenant #Covenants #Theology (Link to Part 2 - Discerning Proper Doctrine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NjX3h1qmOw)
  18. Psalm 89 ends with the psalmist longing and asking for the sure and tender mercies of David that were promised to all men through David's house and covenant of Mercy. This shows us that this Spiritual house given to David by God was not just for King David but for all men who would join themselves to the Builder of that house and to David's descendant, the Christ, the Holy one Of Israel, King Jesus. (Isiah 55, Acts 13:34) In the first three parts of Psalm 89 we are shown, with great confidence, the eternal plan of God, building a spiritual house of Mercy for us in the heavens and his ability to perform all that He has promised and finally the example of his covenant of mercy to us all as seen through the covenant of David. Yet in Part 4 of Psalm 89 we are brought back to the "here and now" by Ethan the Ezrahite, who is trying to reconcile the loving kindness God has for David and His promises to us, and his power, with their feelings of forsakenness, their sufferings, loss and destruction he sees them experiencing in the present times. We see that Ethan does not ask "why" God has chosen to allow thees things but asked "how long", showing that even now his groanings are not in doubt but in hope and longing for the final fulfillment of all things that were promised. In this final sermon of Psalm 89 we summarize the chapter and encourage Christians to have faith in the eternal promises of God and that He is working even presently to bring them about, even in times when it is not apparent. Like the Psalmist, and even more, Christians can take comfort in the Promises of God through faith in Jesus Christ, the son of David, who said He was departing from us for a time to continue preparing rooms in that same Spiritual house for us. Until we reunite with Him in heaven, and as Paul, Christ's faithful servant and Apostle, said, He has gone on before us and has given us the "Ernest of the Spirit" to keep and prepare us for when he finishes his divine plans for eternity. John 14:1-4 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. 2 Corinthians 5:1-5 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 3 if so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. 4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. 5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. To me Psalm 89 is one of the greatest Psalms of the Bible that has helped grow my understanding of bible theology greatly. It is my hope that God will bless the Christian as they study and apply it to their own understanding and that God might open the riches of its wisdom to you, giving you assurance in your eternal salvation and comfort in your times of suffering. Amen. Preached: February 20, 2019 Wednesday Night. By Pastor John Young, at Edgecliff Baptist Church, Spokane Valley, WA. (Please like, share, and subscribe to the channel for more Bible Sermons!) #TenderMercies #SureMercies #lovingkindness #MerciesOfDavid #SonOfDavid #JesusChrist
  19. True. If he was speaking of several physical generations then he would say generations but he was speaking of one whole evil generation. Physical generations are bound by their time but people in every generation within time can only be born Spiritually into two generations not bound by time. When reading the word "generation" the context shows the Spiritual state of each. He is speaking to physical people that live and die within a certain time frame but are part of a Spiritual generation that will last in Israel and on the earth until He does away with it. John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 1 John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother’s righteous. Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. Take the concept with the understanding laid out of it in Isiah 26 of this time when the Israelite nation will be restored in righteousness but the Wicked generation is still there hindering it. God comes in indignation against the evil Israelite generation so that the righteous Israelite generation can flourish. Isaiah 26 In that day shall this song be sung in the land of Judah; We have a strong city; salvation will God appoint for walls and bulwarks. 2 Open ye the gates, that the righteous nation which keepeth the truth may enter in. 3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee. 4 Trust ye in the Lord for ever: for in the Lord JEHOVAH is everlasting strength: 5 for he bringeth down them that dwell on high; the lofty city, he layeth it low; he layeth it low, even to the ground; he bringeth it even to the dust. 6 The foot shall tread it down, even the feet of the poor, and the steps of the needy. 7 The way of the just is uprightness: thou, most upright, dost weigh the path of the just. 8 Yea, in the way of thy judgments, O Lord, have we waited for thee; the desire of our soul is to thy name, and to the remembrance of thee. 9 With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness. 10 Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the Lord. 11 Lord, when thy hand is lifted up, they will not see: but they shall see, and be ashamed for their envy at the people; yea, the fire of thine enemies shall devour them. 12 Lord, thou wilt ordain peace for us: for thou also hast wrought all our works in us. 13 O Lord our God, other lords beside thee have had dominion over us: but by thee only will we make mention of thy name. 14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish. 15 Thou hast increased the nation, O Lord, thou hast increased the nation: thou art glorified: thou hadst removed it far unto all the ends of the earth. 16 Lord, in trouble have they visited thee, they poured out a prayer when thy chastening was upon them. 17 Like as a woman with child, that draweth near the time of her delivery, is in pain, and crieth out in her pangs; so have we been in thy sight, O Lord.18 We have been with child, we have been in pain, we have as it were brought forth wind; we have not wrought any deliverance in the earth; neither have the inhabitants of the world fallen. 19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. 20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. 21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. Isaiah 27 In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea. 2 In that day sing ye unto her, A vineyard of red wine. 3 I the Lord do keep it; I will water it every moment: lest any hurt it, I will keep it night and day. 4 Fury is not in me: who would set the briers and thorns against me in battle? I would go through them, I would burn them together. 5 Or let him take hold of my strength, that he may make peace with me; and he shall make peace with me. 6 He shall cause them that come of Jacob to take root: Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit. 7 Hath he smitten him, as he smote those that smote him? or is he slain according to the slaughter of them that are slain by him? 8 In measure, when it shooteth forth, thou wilt debate with it: he stayeth his rough wind in the day of the east wind. 9 By this therefore shall the iniquity of Jacob be purged; and this is all the fruit to take away his sin; when he maketh all the stones of the altar as chalkstones that are beaten in sunder, the groves and images shall not stand up. 10 Yet the defenced city shall be desolate, and the habitation forsaken, and left like a wilderness: there shall the calf feed, and there shall he lie down, and consume the branches thereof. 11 When the boughs thereof are withered, they shall be broken off: the women come, and set them on fire: for it is a people of no understanding: therefore he that made them will not have mercy on them, and he that formed them will shew them no favour. 12 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel. 13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the Lord in the holy mount at Jerusalem.
  20. The 14 year old boy probably has over 10+ years of experience with technology though. Its not that hard for those gowning up using it but can be pretty tricky for those not used to being around the technology.
  21. Jesus was speaking of the Good and Evil Spiritual generations that exits together in all ages that come from every physical generation. The viper generation of his day was the same generation as their fathers and they were keeping their present and future physical children from being regenerated into the righteous generation that Christ would save and protect. He is not speaking of only one physical generation of people, whither of that present time or the endtime. These two spiritual generations existed together in one family with Cain and Able and exited side by side in Israel and will continue to exist together in Israel until Christ raises up a Spiritual Israelite generation form their children and removes the vipers from the land. John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 1 Peter 1:22-25 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23 being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: 25 but the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you. 1 Peter 2:9-10 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 10 which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. Hebrews 6:7-9 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8 but that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. 9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.
  22. Time will tell. In a sense it is referring to all who will be in that spiritual generation which will not end until Christ Returns and removes them from the righteous generation. That end can include some from the founding of this present Nation but doesn't have to.

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