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  1. The plague was stayed in the camp but not eliminated. That's why Moses forbade them from entering the camp (Numbers 31:16) and inisiated the purification of everything that was to be brought in the camp from the cities they destroyed. The plague actually remained and festered in the uncleaned parts of the land as stated in Joshua 22:16-19 Thus saith the whole congregation of the Lord, What trespass is this that ye have committed against the God of Israel, to turn away this day from following the Lord, in that ye have builded you an altar, that ye might rebel this day against the Lord? 17 Is the iniquity of Peor too little for us, from which we are not cleansed until this day, although there was a plague in the congregation of the Lord, 18 but that ye must turn away this day from following the Lord? and it will be, seeing ye rebel to day against the Lord, that to morrow he will be wroth with the whole congregation of Israel. 19 Notwithstanding, if the land of your possession be unclean, then pass ye over unto the land of the possession of the Lord, wherein the Lord’s tabernacle dwelleth, and take possession among us: but rebel not against the Lord, nor rebel against us, in building you an altar beside the altar of the Lord our God.
  2. This is starting to sound like "a rose by any other name" or a dinosaurs vs dragons debate..... Its clear they contracted it and died because of fornication with the women. Whatever the plague is called makes no difference to how they died, what they were commanded to do to eliminate it, and its application for us today.
  3. That sin removed the divine protection Israel had from God which opened up them to the plague fro the actual act of fornication which was broke out among them from God. Remember Apostle Paul states it was the act of fornication that caused 23,000 of them to fall and so the other 1,000 by the judges most likely. The whoredom started first and no sickness but then the worship happened and those who joined died from the act of fornication or execution. Out of curiosity, which definition do you think is meant, if not a physical disease or pestilence? Plague PLAGUE, noun plag. [Latin plaga, a stroke; Gr. See Lick and Lay. The primary sense is a stroke or striking. So afflict is from the root of flog, and probably of the same family as plague ] 1. Any thing troublesome or vexatious; but in this sense, applied to the vexations we suffer from men, and not to the unavoidable evils inflicted on us by Divine Providence. The application of the word to the latter, would now be irreverent and reproachful. 2. A pestilential disease; an acute, malignant and contagious disease that often prevails in Egypt, Syria and Turkey, and has at times infected the large cities of Europe with frightful mortality. 3. A state of misery. Psalms 38:1. 4. Any great natural evil or calamity; as the ten plagues of Egypt. PLAGUE, verb transitive plag. 1. To infest with disease, calamity or natural evil of any kind. Thus were they plagued And worn with famine. 2. To vex; to tease; to harass; to trouble; to embarrass; a very general and indefinite signification. If her nature be so, That she will plague the man that loves her most--
  4. I've not written anything here with the intent to demean anyone's character. I have the upmost respect for Salyan, DaveW and anyone else here who wants to have a biblical conversation on this forum. The reference to "liberal" is reference to the source of the teaching that would make the purification actions mandated by God as merely being "the cultural reactions of that day of victors over any conquered foe". I have no interest in questioning the motives of any person here, or the people who think the teaching has validity but rather the veracity of the teaching itself. That teaching is not original with anyone on this form but is often found in various commentaries that are too lose with opinions on the scriptures and picked up by preachers who merely repeated it in the pulpit in passing but id not look too much into it as most teachers do not deal with Numbers 25 and 31 directly with much study but only touch on it in passing. STD simply means "Sexually transmitted disease" and fits with the description given of "a plague that is spread by fornication". I do not reject the fact that God gave this plague to whomever was fornicating with the women. It was not simply a natural occurrence but it was spread as an STD by the women once God let it lose. Whither God had prepared it in them before hand, as He can and often does, or if it was not there until they intentionally intermingles with the population does not matter. Its my belief it was already there in them prepared because it was initiated "through the counsel of Balaam". This means Balaam knew God would lift his protection and allow a plague in the camp if He could get them to worship idols and fornicate with the women (Exodus 15:26) and that's what God did because of their rebellion "in the matter of Peor". Additionally the Apostle Paul used this passage as a reason that we should not fornicate even today, and tied the passage to what can happen to us. 1 Corinthians 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. This means that if we commit fornication that we can suffer the same fate as they did, even today. Today those who commit fornication contract plagues called STDs that the normal population does not. So to call the plague a form of STD is not unreasonable and one of the most basic deductions that can be made of what is happening in the passages. The only differences between eliminating an deadly STD (purification) back then was they had only execution, fire, water and quarantine. Today we have medicine that can cure or treat many things that were once deadly to a population. Paul concludes this example with the statement in 1 Corinthians 10:11-13 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. This ties back to the promise of Exodus 15:26 and also to the fact that what happened to them is common to man and STDs are what we call the plagues that are common to those who fornicate today. As a side note and example AIDs/HIV is a deadly plague that is spreading rampant and the only reason those who live as long as they do is because of our advanced medicine and sanitary protections. Also all STDs can be eliminated from a society within a generation if it follows God's laws as Israel was required to do for protection. So I fully believe God initiated Aids and all the other STDs as he did the plague in the matter of Peor. Those who fornicate contract them yet those who do not fornicate are mostly safe from them.
  5. Here are the sermons we preached at church on the incident in Numbers 25 and 31: Description: "Numbers 25 - Whoredom Breeds Disease (in Body and Mind) Edgecliff Baptist Church, Pastor John Young" Giving your sexual devotion to someone other than your wife and your spiritual devotion to someone other than God is evil. It can corrupt you in both body and soul and it can ruin your society as well. Christians should never be involved in any lifestyle outside one man and one woman as promiscuity leads to transmittable disease in body and mental instability in mind. Not being able to get God to curse Israel, Balaam showed Balack how to get Israel to curse themselves by letting whorish women join with the camp and lead its people to worship pagan gods. These whores carried with them sexual venereal disease as well which spread as a plague in the camp, eventually killing around 24,000 people. It was so bad that the the judges were commanded to execute anyone who was caught defiling themselves with any of these women. Both to stop the physical spread and put fear into anyone even thinking about consorting with the whorish women. Unfortunately, the command was hindered by predominate men who defied the command and even openly solicited their fellows to lay with the women in open orgies before the congregation and tabernacle of the LORD. Numbers 25 Gives the example of Phinehas the son of the High Priest Eleazar, who saw one such a leader of the people drawing away his fellows from a national time of morning before the tabernacle in order to commit whoredom with a diseased Midianitish woman in a tent nearby. Rising up from the time of prayer, he grabbed a javelin and struck down the man for his treason. This action was recolonized as the key action that turned the hearts and minds away from whoring with the diseased women and saving the people from spreading the plague and being lead astray to fraternizing with the pagan nation, in receiving their gods and unhealthy sexual customs. For this act his family line received the office of intersession on behalf of the people before God. In this sermon we deal with the destructive nature of sexual promiscuity and what happens when supposed "Godly leaders" promote a sexually promiscuous lifestyles among God's people, rather than God's ordained Spiritual Purity regarding sexual matter wither within or without the marriage covenant. We also note the importance of government in protecting from and educating society of the destruction that comes with the introduction and propagation of sexual promiscuity and their need to judge such acts as evil to both people's mind and body. Preached: December 2, 2018 Sunday Morning. By Pastor John Young, at Edgecliff Baptist Church, Spokane Valley, WA. Description: "Numbers 31- Eradicating The Flesh Trade (Why it flourishes and how to stop it) Whole Bible Preaching" One of the last things a Christian must gain victory over in order to have a victorious Christian life is the hidden sexual sins of their flesh, with all of its affections and lusts. Often, even seemingly "Holy" and "great men" of the faith have fallen from lofty heights because they never mortified, and in fact enabled habitually, their hidden sexual sin lusts. Even the average good Christian is not immune if they do not mortify their secret fleshly sins. When we as individuals secretly allow the flesh to rule in our hearts, the community will suffer as, the flesh having secret rule will seek to be satiated through the sex trades. The more the secret beast is allowed to grow, the sex trade then becomes public and eventually will have to be stocked by the evils of human trafficking through mental manipulation and kidnapping of people. Eventually, such a society will be over taken by a sodomite culture that will tear down the public morals of family life and "alternative flesh lifestyles" will be promoted and sexual (and mental) diseases will become prevalent and destructive. These things follow of necessity, to feed the secret beast of the flesh, even of those who may even condemn them openly, but do nothing about it in themselves. Numbers 25 showed us the need, hand how, to destroy this system from within society, cutting it off at the source, and in Numbers 31 we see how the visages of it was to be destroyed from without, so that it could not easily take root again. In this message we note that while the harsh methods Israel had to employ, in order to rid the area of the plague are not what is needed in our modern society of advanced medicine and quarantine, the procedures are none the less the same. We show that until we individually as Christians, can mortify our flesh by employing the Spirit of Christ and then together, being an example for all, we cannot hope to eradicate this blight from society. Preached: January 6, 2019 Sunday Morning. By Pastor John Young, at Edgecliff Baptist Church, Spokane Valley, WA.
  6. There are many other technical reasons, both biblical, scientific, and historical as to why the view I presented is correct but but I just limited it to the basic scriptural reference of the passage that if anyone wanted to thoroughly investigate will come the same conclusion of STD Plague had to be eliminated for the reasons why God had them do what they did. The view you presented as an alternative theory was put forward by liberal "bible scholars" and imposed upon the text as an attempt to explain away their actions without actually showing why they acted in that way. It is one born out of cultural presumption of the nations around them and not based on what the scriptures presented. It acts as if the actions of Israel as lead by God and Moses were no better than the cultural norms of the wicked nations they displaced. We need to remember God initiated the purification procedures in Numbers 31 and if it was up to the natural cultural norms of the Israelite people (which was much more noble and compassionate than brute killers) they would have kept ALL the women and children alive, both male and female children, as stated in Numbers 31:9. The purification procedure was initiated to cleanse the plague from the among captive population so that they could enter the camp as shown in Numbers 31:13-16. The goal was to eliminate the plague and those responsible and not to kill anymore then they had to.
  7. Not a problem. The answer probably does not require an extra thread. Several things indicate that they were diseased. The obvious first fact is that God gave this plague to whomever had fornicated with the women. So as to wither or not God let lose a new deadly STD directly or by natural means already in the women from that culture is rather immaterial as any person who participated in their sex cult worship with them by fornication contracted it and the men and women who participated contracted it as well a spread it by willful fornication. The second is that we know from history that sexual perversion and STDs were rampant in the culture of that area and most were cariers of many diseases which God said He would place on their enemies. Deuteronomy 7:15-16 And the Lord will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee. 16 And thou shalt consume all the people which the Lord thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them: neither shalt thou serve their gods; for that will be a snare unto thee. The third is that they had to take special care to purify the spoils and the people before returning to camp. Numbers 31:19-23 And do ye abide without the camp seven days: whosoever hath killed any person, and whosoever hath touched any slain, purify both yourselves and your captives on the third day, and on the seventh day. 20 And purify all your raiment, and all that is made of skins, and all work of goats’ hair, and all things made of wood. 21 And Eleazar the priest said unto the men of war which went to the battle, This is the ordinance of the law which the Lord commanded Moses; 22 only the gold, and the silver, the brass, the iron, the tin, and the lead, 23 every thing that may abide the fire, ye shall make it go through the fire, and it shall be clean: nevertheless it shall be purified with the water of separation: and all that abideth not the fire ye shall make go through the water. The fourth fact is the unique determination of how Moses was told to decide who of the Moabites/Midianites would live or die. This particular group could not be purified but had to be put to death in order not to spread this deadly STD. Only the girls who had not known man were allowed to live and become part of the Israelite people. All males had to be put to death because their was no way to tell who was a carrier. Numbers 31:9-18 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. 12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp. 14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle. 15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? 16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord. 17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. This purification measure saved 32,000 in addition to the Israeli camp. Numbers 31:35 and thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.
  8. I've been to places in West Texas where we not only lose cell reception but all radio reception and out there the plants want to kill you and the sticks on the ground might be snakes.
  9. The apostle Paul was referencing Numbers 25 where disease women form Moab had infiltrated the camp and were intentionally spreading disease and a false sex cult religion. God had promised to protect the people of Israel if they were obedient to his law and covenant but if they partook in the sins of the people around them and rejected his laws then God said they would also partake in their punishments of sexually transmitted disease that had been placed upon the wicked who practiced fornication as a form of worshiping their false Gods. Exodus 15:25-26 And he cried unto the Lord; and the Lord shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet: there he made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there he proved them, 26 and said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the Lord thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the Lord that healeth thee. We see the same today. While our particular sexually transmitted viruses we have today are not as bad as the one they experienced we still see that those who sleep around will most likely contract and carry many STDs while those who only have one sexual partner, with their union protected by the marriage covenant, will not have any STD. In this we learn that STDs are a punishment from God upon those who reject his word. We are God's creation so he can do whatever he wants with us. In His creation he set certain things in motion to fulfill certain functions (viruses, bacteria, and other very small creatures, etc) but because of the sinful environment man has created these things can mutate and or get into places that they shouldn't be that can harm us. If we do not follow His warnings then He will allow theses things to harm us as a form consequences of our rebellion and freewill.
  10. When we did the membership at our church plant, in addition to a proper salvation and baptismal testimony we also required them to read and generally agree with our "Articles of faith" and in those areas in which they disagreed on a minor point they had to agree not to go against its teaching. Considering the Great commission is threefold (Salvation, Baptism, Discipleship) potential members were required to agree with the church's method for each.
  11. Because nowhere in the text does it say its referring figuratively to the womb and neither do your referenced verses. It simply is not a metaphorical passage but a describing actual literal actions taken by Christ. Apostle Paul is not making poetry about Christ physical birth but rather contrasting literal actions that Christ took as his Death Burial and Resurrection. As to Psalms 139:15 David is not referring to his formation in the womb but rather to his "substance". His elements in the earth formed by God long before he was conceived that would one day make up his body. Psalm 139:16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them. As to Isaiah 51:1 that is a figurative allusion, but not of a womb, but of a rock quarry.
  12. You may be looking at 1 Timothy 3. The assignment is for 2 Timothy 3 2 Timothy 3:10-17 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience, 11 persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 and that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
  13. To say nothing of the fact that it is literally Christ, God the Son, who took the Book out of God the Father's hand and is opening each of the seals. Also, the fact that much of the Judgement God sent against Israel in their disobedience appeared "man made" but was clearly claimed to be by His determinant will that could be changed. Such as in Ezekiel 21, letting them know the King of Babylon at the crossroads was his doing and what they did next would determine which road God would send him down.
  14. I'm sure that book would be generally good but I have not read it. Also because it comes from "bible.org" it will probably not be using the King James Bible but their version called the "New English Translation" or "NET Bible" as a short name. The "NET bible" is an online "contentiously updated" version of the bible that also cross references many study materials to the bible passage you are reading at the time. Many like it because of the study feature and its ability to quickly be updated to reflect the latest and greatest in scholastic discoveries. The problem with this is that their bible is always changing depending on who is in charge and what the culture pressures them to change at the time. It also becomes too easy to rely on the study material to tell you what the bible says rather than doing the study work yourself. Which may be quicker learning at times but also causes errors of the teacher to be passed down to the student and will be hard to unlearn later when you find the mistake. Modern bible versions encourage the mindset that the "original bible" has been lost so we must "find" and search for older manuscripts that are "closer" to the originals. Therefor, this idea has let to many new bible versions that are contentiously updated and changed. However the bible teaches that God has preserved the bible and has entrusted it to faithful men to pass down to us today and that we will pass it to the next generations (Psalm 12:6-7, 2 Timothy 2:2) . The King James Bible is translated from the faithful text and is considered to be a faithful English translation of what was passed down to us. Therefor our bible does not need to be changed and can be relied on to teach us the truth. As you search online for study material, you will come across generally good teaching materials but if they use a bible different then the King James Bible then you will see that they ultimately do not rely on a faithful bible that was passed down for their teaching but believe the bible and doctrine can be changed based on what men can "discover" from places other than the Holy Bible. The Holy Bible must be the highest authority that changes us and should not be changed by lower authorities (Romans 13:1-2, Psalm 138:2). This goes for the study material we chose to use as well. The best study material will always bring you back to the bible in your study to find your answers. This is why I like the teaching material from www.baptistpublications.org. The book I recommended can be ordered from this link http://www.baptistpublications.org/p/D-ABCB.html I am not sure of how ordering it from China will work but if you are unable to get it then we can look around for an online alternative that might work.
  15. I was able to find a PDF copy of Larkin's Revelation work here for anyone who would like to read it: http://www.earnestlycontendingforthefaith.com/Books/Clarence Larkin/Revelation/ClarenceLarkinTheCompleteBookOfRevelation.pdf This copy probably has a variant page structure then your hard copy as the section on the 24 elders started on page 31 in the PDF.
  16. I have not yet read what Larkin teaches on the 24 elders, so someone can let me know if this lines up with his teachings or not. We do know that they represent the Israel and the Apostles because OLD and NEW Testament saints together make up the New Jerusalem saints. They without us were not made perfect because Christ had not yet redeemed them from Hell until he died, went to Hell for them and brought them to Heaven. They are NOW in Christ just as we are and have all the rewords of a NT believer in addition to those of Israel. The 12 tribe fathers and the 12 apostles of the Lamb (David's Household leaders) were all promised thrones to rule over the twelve tribes of Israel. Daniel 12:11-13 and Job 19:25-27 are not referring to the resurrection specifically (as we all receive our resurrected bodies at the rapture) but more specifically to their inheritance of land on the earth in the Kingdom which happens at the decent of New Jerusalem after the tribulation period. Israel's tribal fathers will rule the world, Jerusalem Apostles will rule the nation of Israel, and Christ will rule Jerusalem. Numbers 1:44 These are those that were numbered, which Moses and Aaron numbered, and the princes of Israel, being twelve men: each one was for the house of his fathers. Numbers 7:2a that the princes of Israel, heads of the house of their fathers, who were the princes of the tribes, and were over them that were numbered... Psalm 122:3-5 Jerusalem is builded as a city that is compact together: 4 whither the tribes go up, the tribes of the Lord, unto the testimony of Israel, to give thanks unto the name of the Lord. 5 For there are set thrones of judgment, the thrones of the house of David. Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Deuteronomy 32:7-9 Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee. 8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. 9 For the Lord’s portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
  17. I think this is the main reason a lot of theologies get the events of Revelation wrong. Instead of searching the scriptures for specific answers to a difficult passage or term, they appeal to "logic", allegory, some event of history or current event that "seems to fit", or some other arbitrary idea or application. I'm convinced that every term and event presented in Revelation can be found in the OT scriptures and that we do not need to go outside of them in order to discern what is meant in Revelation. Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. Galatians 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. Revelation 19:10d for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
  18. I joined in January 13, 2015 but had problems longing in at the time of the study so I was a member but hadn't been able to participate or read it. While I was familiar with Larken's teaching and charts, I left off studying Revelation commentaries until after I was confident of the general order of things from my own study. Particularly when it comes to Revelation, everyone and their dog seems to have an interpretation and news paper in hand and early on in my study it just seemed to confuse the topic. For that reason I didn't even take the Revelation class in college as I didn't want to get caught up in anything that might be wrong. So in looking over the review of his book and charts its nice to see that we are generally on the same track and that it confirms what I have studied on my own. I'm about halfway done reading the study and will let you know if I have any questions.
  19. It can be described well enough to be understood what it is and that it is sinful and why and how the character got involved in it but it not to do so in order to give pleasure or delight from its description. Remember also, even the law of God is pure and holy but to condemn sin it needed to give examples of sin. It is not wrong and it is even helpful sometimes to describe it. Sadly many will take the warning and use it to teach them how to sin. Yet that is not the fault of the Law but the evil manifestation of the Law breaker. Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
  20. That makes sense. I see the events starting in progressive order with the the results of each continuing into the next. The Basic order of events being in four sections, at the end of which is a return for and a judgement. The 7 Churches he admonishes Holy Ghost Filled Saints and prepares them for His inseminate return for them and Judgement in Chapter 4. The 7 Seals is the events preparing the way for His Glory to return and cleanse the Israelite Temple and seal the 144,000 in chapter 7. The 7 Trumpet events are there to prepare the World for the return of the Lamb in Chapter 14 to set up his Earthly Kingdom. Then the 7 vials judging the Wore and preparing for the return of the Word of God and Jerusalem in Chapter 19/21.
  21. Some of the best Fundamental Baptist Bible study material that I know of can be gotten from www.baptistpublications.org . It is a ministry out of Bible Baptist Church of Oak Harbor Washington Pastored by Brother Robert Sargent. They do not have an "online course" but they do have material showing local churches how to start their own Bible Institutes (http://www.baptistpublications.org/INST.html). Their source material is also set up for new believers to be mentored by an older believer in the faith. They have their teaching material organised in three groups "Basic Discipleship" (The ABC's of Christian GROWTH), "Advanced discipleship" (The ABC's of Christian MATURITY) and "Institute curriculum". In all the cost for materials is around $500, which can be bought a little at a time and is well worth the price and will provide many years worth of productive study. The main course descriptions I've posted below form their site shows what is taught and for how much each book is: The ABC's of Christian GROWTH $11.00 (PRODUCT DETAILS: by: Robert J. Sargent. Proven doctrinal and practical lessons to help disciple new Christians and refresh older saints. Suitable for personal study, one-on-one discipleship, group study, all-church series, family devotions, high school devotions, jail ministries, radio ministries -- you name it! It works! Requires students to search the scriptures (AV1611) to find Bible answers. Suitable for adults and youth. Lessons are based on the letters of the alphabet, with two introductory lessons (making 28 lessons in all). A - Assurance; B - Bible; C - Church; D - Daily Walk; E - Enemy (Satan); F - Family; G - God; H - Holy Spirit; I - Immersion; J - Jesus Christ; K - Kinship (Baptist heritage); L - Lord's Supper; M - Missions; N - New Birth; O - Obedience; P - Prayer; Q - Questions often Asked; R - Return of Christ; S - Separation; T - Tithing & Stewardship; U - Unity; V - Victory; W - Witnessing; X - X-Rated for Baptists; Y - Your Church; Z - Zion. THIRD EDITION: Revised 2004. 187 pages. 8½" x 11" spiral bound. The ABC's of Christian MATURITY, Volume 1, $16.00 (PRODUCT DETAILS: by: Robert J. Sargent This Bible-study manual follows the format of the popular ""The ABC's of Christian growth,"" and presents in-depth studies on a wide range of thought-provoking, sometimes controversial, subjects. It is designed to challenge Baptists to get into the Word of God. Suitable for adults and older teens -- a great resource for busy pastors. Two volume set. VOLUME I... A - Apostasy. B - The Bride of Christ. C - The Crucified Life. D - Divorce. E - Education. F - Financial Freedom. G - The Gifts of the Spirit. H - Hell. I - Israel. J - Judging & Discerning. K - The Kingdom of God. L - Liberty, Legalism, & License. M - The Mysteries of God. 204 pages. 8½" x 11" spiral bound. The ABC's of Christian MATURITY, Volume 2, $16.00 (PRODUCT DETAILS by: Robert J. Sargent. This Bible-study manual follows the format of the popular ""The ABC's of Christian Growth,"" and presents in-depth studies on a wide range of thought-provoking, sometimes controversial, subjects. It is designed to challenge Baptists to get into the Word of God. Suitable for adults and older teens - a great resource for busy pastors. Two volume set. VOLUME II ... N - Numerology; O - Offenses & Forgiveness; P - Precepts, Principles, Preferences; Q - Qualifications of Officers; R - Repentance; S - Sin, Suffering, & Sickness; T - The Tabernacle; U - Unseen World; V - Preacher's Vocation; W - Role of Women in Churches; X - Xcuses; Y - Youth; Z - Zeal. 204 pages. 8½" x 11" spiral bound. ENGLISH Bible Institute curriculum. Baptist Doctrine (In 4 volumes, $16 per book) $64.00 ( PRODUCT DETAILS by: Robert J. Sargent. A FOUR volume set of Systematic Theology, arranged under the following sections: 1. An Introduction to Theology. 2. The Doctrine of the Bible (Bibliology). 3. The Doctrine of God (Theology Proper). 4. The Doctrine of Christ (Christology). 5. The Doctrine of the Holy Spirit (Pneumatology). 6. The Doctrine of Man (Anthropology). 7. The Doctrine of Sin (Harmartiology). 8. The Doctrine of Salvation (Soteriology). 9. The Doctrine of the Church (Ecclesiology). 10. The Doctrine of the Unseen World(Angelology). 11. 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Prisk. Lecture notes covering the Old Testament in a chronological way from Genesis to Esther (Creation to the Captivity). 255 pages. 8½" × 11" spiral bound. Personal Evangelism, $20, ( Robert J. Sargent. This manual provides an excellent tool for training men for the Baptist ministry. It is a comprehensive study in the theology and methodology of soul winning, emphasizing three important areas of personal evangelism: the message, the motivation, and the mastery of winning precious souls to Jesus Christ. The lectures are: 1. The CALL to Personal Evangelism 2. The REASON for Personal Evangelism 3. The MESSAGE of Personal Evangelism 4. The PROCESS in Personal Evangelism 5. The EXAMPLES of Personal Evangelism 6. The POWER for Personal Evangelism 7. The TECHNIQUES of Personal Evangelism 8. The CHALLENGES in Personal Evangelism 9. 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A four-column chronological harmony of the four Gospel accounts of the life and ministry of our Lord Jesus Christ, accompanied by maps, chronological notes, and a detailed chart of the “passion week.” Unlike most other harmonies, this volume does not correct the Word of God and it presents a Wednesday crucifixion in accordance with Matthew 12:40. Fully indexed. Great library and study tool. Recommended for use with The Life of Christ course. 220 pages. 8½" × 11" spiral bound.) Life & Labors of Paul the Apostle, $25, (by: Robert J. Sargent. This manual presents a comprehensive study in the life and ministry of the Apostle Paul, including a presentation of the geographical and political background of his day, the chronological and historical account of his life and ministry, and an examination of his sufferings and prayer life. Significant emphasis is placed upon Paul's "missionary methods," comparing and contrasting them which the methods of the 21ST century. 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Organizing a Church. 466 pages. 8½" × 11" spiral bound. Includes a comprehensive resource appendix on a CD-ROM (adding another 265 pages). Appendix includes a sample set of By-Laws.) Women in Ministry, $20, (By: Vicki L. Sargent. A complete training course, specifically structured to help train and prepare godly women to work alongside their husbands as pastors? wives and/or evangelists? wives. This course has seven chapters: The Role of Women in Baptist Churches. Your Perceived Life. Your Personal Life. Your Family Life. Your Church Life. Your Ministry Life. Your Approved Life. 216 pages. 8½" × 11" spiral bound.)
  22. By "concurrently", Do you mean progressively in order, all at once, or like the first seal happening with the first trumpet, and first vial, etc?
  23. I'm not sure why you keep thinking I'm making excuses. My replies are not excuses or "different stories" but my attempts to explain to you what I wrote. It is not hard to see what I meant. Even if its not to your likening. Obviously we Gentiles never have kept "the Passover" or are we to keep any OT or Jewish tradition. However, to ignore Passover events, and what they were called in the Bible and how they relate to our Easter events, how the Jewish Christians integrated them, especially in this conversation and particularity as to the details of Acts 12 where the only KJV mention of Easter is, is to be a bit thick headed. I've tired to explain what I meant several times but if you want to call my replies excuses or demand that I apologies for some wrong or error on my part, then I can't help you, because what you accuse me of saying I'm clearly not. If I confused or frustrated you in the way I worded my reply to Invicta as they relate to that week then I'm sorry.
  24. I was referring to the events in Jerusalem in Acts 12 where "Easter" refers to Jews vs. the Jewish Christian's events. I did not mean to imply that it was a world wide Christian tradition to keep the week of unleavened bread. Only that the OT Passover was held in the days of unleavened bread and that the Christians hold the Lords supper in place of the ceder or with the supper and then the Easter celebration just after that week, the following Sunday.
  25. We Gentiles don't but the Early Christian JEWS of Jerusalem did in Acts 12. They kept the Passover week as part of their National traditions and celebrated Easter (Resurrection Morning) at the end of those events. Remember Christian Jews were still doing all their national events and traditions, including Paul who kept many feast in Jerusalem and even took a Nazareit vow the whole of his third missionary journey then went to the temple, under the instruction of James and the Church to the temple, with Four other Christian Jewish men to offer up his hair. We Gentile Christians on the other hand only observe the lord's supper in place of the OT Passover and then Easter the following Sunday Morning. Because we are factoring in dates and times in this discussion, the days of unleavened bread do factor into our conversation as relating to the Passover/Lord's supper, Lamb Temple Sacrifice/Christ Sacrifice, then Easter as being Resurrection Morning. For the JEWS it is traditionally all Passover/Pesach week but for the Gentile Christian it is traditionally Easter Week. That is why the Translators translated the Greek "pascha" as Easter in Acts 12:4 because they were telling English speaking Christians that Herod was waiting until after Resurrection Morning and not just the Jewish Passover supper that had already past earlier that week. Acts 18:18 And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow. Acts 18:21 but bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus. Acts 21:20-27 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: 21 and they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. 22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. 23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; 24 them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. 25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. 26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him, Acts 24:17-18 Now after many years I came to bring alms to my nation, and offerings. 18 Whereupon certain Jews from Asia found me purified in the temple, neither with multitude, nor with tumult. Easter E'ASTER, noun A festival of the christian church observed in commemoration of our Savior's resurrection. It answers to the pascha or passover of the Hebrews, and most nations still give it this name, pascha, pask, paque. ~ Webster's Dictionary 1828 - Online Edition

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