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DaveW

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DaveW last won the day on January 14

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About DaveW

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    Resident Aussie and general dumb bloke
  • Birthday 09/30/1968

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    I'm a West Aussie
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  1. DaveW

    Local Church

    I didn't think you did believe that baptism is a part of salvation, but the verses that I have pointed to show that in order to make "church" from that passage the universal group of all believers, a person MUST believe in baptismal regeneration, for the order of events is indisputable. The order of events in vs 41 is: received the word, baptised, added unto them - this order states clearly that they were baptised before they were added (vs 47 identifies what they were added to, the church). There are two possible ways to look at this passage then - either: "the church" mentioned is not the universal group of all believers, and then we can easily say that salvation and baptism are not part of the same process, or "the church" IS the universal group of all believers, in which case baptism is clearly a requirement to finish salvation, for it is ONLY AFTER being baptised that they were added to the church. This is the simple issue in this passage - the order is exceptionally plain - received the word (saved) THEN baptised, THEN added unto them (the church). This is what the Bible says - there is no way around this matter. either it is a local church and salvation is totally separate to baptism and totally separate to being added to the church, or it is a universal church and baptism comes after receiving the word, BUT before being added The order of the events mentioned in Acts 2:41 is clear: Received (saved) -----------------------------> Baptised -------------------------------> Added (vs 47 to the church). If church is universal group of all believers, then baptism MUST happen before you are added to that group. This equals baptismal regeneration, or baptism as part of salvation. If church is local church. then salvation can still add to the group of all believers (unstated in this passage), but then the order remains as above, baptised, then added to the local church.. Salvation is separate to baptism, and baptism is separate to church membership - the timing of these things is not referenced in the passage ONLY THE ORDER. And vs 47 does not say that baptism doesn't come before church membership - that would contradict vs 41. Vs 47 simple omits that information because it is commentary, not instruction. That they were baptised is already referred to in vs 41. I have done nothing more than highlight the order of these events from the Bible passage, and show the logical conclusions involved. There would appear to be no further purpose to me taking part in this discussion as I will only be restating the same information.
  2. DaveW

    Local Church

    Well then, according to the plain order of events laid out in Acts 2:41, you MUST believe that baptism is part of salvation, because the order is: recieved the word, THEN baptized, THEN added unto them (the church). If the church is that universal group of all believers then according to Acts 2:41 baptism completes your salvation. If however the church is local, the order does not add baptism to salvation, but they three separate events, occurring in a specific order: salvation, baptism, added to a local church. Scripture is absolutely clear on this point of the order of events. Universal church nessecitates baptismal regeneration, local church shows them as separate events.
  3. DaveW

    Ages Digital Library software.

    Actually, I finally got a reply, and they apparently have a version that will work for me, but it is more than just the Spurgeon disk I have. I will have to purchase it again, but if I return the disk I have I will possibly get a discount. They will then supply my old disk to someone who can use it, most likely in a "third world country" where older computers and OS are still used. Edit to add: the "they" I mention are the keepers of the software - I think brother Markle is mostly correct in that the "Ages Software" mob are no longer doing their thing as far as I can tell, but these keepers of the software are doing their best to keep "old but useful" software available. And not just the Ages Library.
  4. DaveW

    Local Church

    "Salvation adds to His Church" in respect to this one single portion, can I ask you to consider something? Act 2:41 (41) Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. and: Act 2:47 (47) Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. verse 47 clarifies exactly what they were added to - I think there is little debate about that point - added to the church. However, in considering this passage, what is the order of events here? Is it not "received his word" (saved), then "baptised", then "added unto them" (the church: see vs 47)? It is very clear that baptism comes before being added to the church - so if we believe that baptism is not part of salvation (and I certainly believe that baptism is not part of salvation), then we have to understand a couple of things from this passage. These people were added not to the group of all believers, for that is salvation, and they were clearly baptised BEFORE being added. The church being spoken of here MUST be a local church, or else you MUST follow after baptism being a part of salvation. The order is clearly noted - "received his word" (saved), then "baptised", then "added unto them" (the church: see vs 47). And before someone tries to make this baptism something other than water baptism: Act 2:38 (38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Peter, in this verse is clearly noting that "baptism" in this context is a separate thing to the "receiving of the Holy Spirit". This baptism IS NOT HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM, because Peter say it is not...... (And I don't believe that Peter is teaching baptism is part of salvation either, but if we go down that trail we will simply be adding confusion - one passage at a time folks.) Funny isn't it, that my use of these passages seems to support baptismal regeneration - but ONLY if you accept the idea of a universal church - if the Bible is speaking of a local church ONLY in this passage, then it absolutely defies the concept of baptismal regeneration...….
  5. Many, many years ago I came across "The C.H. Spurgeon Collection" for a super bargain basement price - so I grabbed it. Now I am not a huge Spurgeon fan, but I can appreciate his body of work. When we upgraded the church computer, we went to a 64bit system, and it seems as though no matter what I do, the Ages software will not load. I have downloaded the PDF's from the disk (that is the storage format), but the beauty of the software is that it gives a great index system. I can print the index, but then have to go and find the individual PDF files - painful...…. (21st century problems hey?! 🙄) So, any of you pooter gurus know of any way to get this thing working? Extra info: I have tried compatibility mode - the problem is that the program appears to be totally incompatible with a 64bit system. Extra extra info: Win 10, on a pooter that is less than 2 years old, and still well capable of keeping up with anything that I need to run. It NEVER gives me performance issues. And yes - I have wanted to reference some of this material in the last two years since our Pooter upgrade, just not enough to find the disk and do it. I came across the disk the other day whilst looking for something else and thought I should load it up. Extra, extra, extra info - It seems like the Ages software site has not been maintained in this respect - I would be more than happy to get a link showing otherwise. Thanks folks, Dave.
  6. I recently spoke to a kind hearted gentleman who simply wants to help the homeless, the fatherless, and the helpless in my community. He came across a "ministry" of Joyce Meyers, called Hand of Hope, and decided that it sounded just like what he wanted to be involved in. Turns out that if he pays them $1000, they will make up to a million dollars available to him to start a Hand of Hope supported ministry to the homeless. So he stumped up $1000 to Joyce Meyers, and is now waiting for the next step...…... If this came in a letter from Nigeria, hardly anyone would give it a second look, because it would obviously be a scam, but Joyce Meyers name on it, and this guy - and I can only assume many others, throw money at them. It will be interesting to see what happens. If they have a million dollars to give out, why do they need his $1000? And they told him to download a phone app so they talk privately. Anyone else heard of this sort of thing? - I did a brief search but couldn't turn up any other instances of people being required to donate before getting this help.
  7. DaveW

    Local Church

    Were the 12 disciples saved? (aside from Judas)? Were they gathered together for the purpose of serving the Lord and doing His will? Were they baptised? Were they organised and orderly? What more did the disciples and Jesus need to be classified as a church? If it swims like a duck, and flies like a duck, if it waddles like a duck, and quacks like a duck, what do you think it might be?
  8. DaveW

    Local Church

    What are the requirements for a church to be a church?
  9. DaveW

    Looking to convert.

    Not many IFB churches officially identify as such - most just call themselves independent Baptist. It is the clear reliance on the Bible, and the intent to follow the Bible in all things that separates a poor church from a fundamental Baptist church.
  10. DaveW

    Local Church

    Well, Jesus is talking to the disciples at that time - the obvious conclusion is that they are the church he was talking to. They were baptized believers, they were organized as displayed by the fact that they had a Pastor and a treasurer, and they were gathered to do the will of God - what else do they need to be a church?
  11. DaveW

    Way of Life:Friday Church News Notes

    She doesn't realise that Jefferson used that very Quran to plan the defeat of the Muslim pirates. As long as she can tell the story her way, she will be able to rewrite history, but Jefferson had no respect for Islam - he wanted to know how they could free themselves from blackmail. She has actually demeaned her religion by using the book that helped their enemies to defeat them, because Jefferson was able to show the reasons they needed to stand against them.
  12. DaveW

    The beauty of creation

    Love his cute "smiling face"..... 😊
  13. DaveW

    Jews Versus Gentiles

    Jeremiah 13 23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil. How about we actually quote the verse and show that the BIBLE doesn't refer to the Cushite in this verse?
  14. DaveW

    Jews Versus Gentiles

    The Jews are the nation of people that sprang from Abraham because of God's promises to Abraham. By the time Abraham was around to be the father of a great nation there were many people all over the world. Even from Abraham there has sprung two separate and different peoples - the Jews and the Arabs (broadly speaking). Only those who are descended from Abraham through Isaac and Jacob are of the nation of Israel, and therefore Jews. The Jews then later made the distinction between their own nation and all other nations of the world, calling them as a general term "Gentiles". This has nothing in fact to do with Noah and that all people are descended from Him - you are correct that there is only one family of men, those who are descendants of Noah.
  15. DaveW

    Quick intro and testimony

    Welcome.
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