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We once had an "Independent Baptist Tabernacle" here not far from where I live. My wife and brotherinlaw visited it once, years ago, and the folks were dancing around, babbling in "tongues" and all that nonsense. Then you have some with Calvinistic doctrine and other various things. I tried to find a good IFB church in my area but was unsuccessful. One of them even had a "pastor" who was divorced and remarried. Our SBC pastor is the "husband of one wife" and his 5 grown and married kids are active in church. He preaches the Gospel/word of God with no Calvinism or any other false doctrine that I've heard. I think I'll stick with that.

Ezekiel 34 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 2 Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks? 3 Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock. 4 The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them. 5 And they were scattered, because there is no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered. I can remember one sermon, from a young visiting preacher during the last camp meeting which was held before we left, preaching on giving to people in need outside the church setting, and I thought it was remarkable. Because. 99% of "giving" messages had always seemed to have been about giving to the pastor, or a visiting speaker, or a missionary when one was present. I personally was verbally abused, slandered and even struck on the face by a pastor. The last pastor and pastor's wife tried to set their son up with my daughter. I had already seen how that could turn out so I was cautious. I approved of the young man at first, but I told the pastor, from the beginning, that his son could visit our daughter at our home but she wasn't to visit their son at his. You know, like, the boy is supposed to court the girl? Anyway, they would have nothing of it and tried to bully and manipulate me over this one thing. The pastor finally had his son write my daughter a letter "breaking up" with her. He did so, which told me that the young man wasn't really interested her anyway. I finally had enough of it and left the church. We visited two churches and the second one we visited, we stayed. l felt the Spirit of the Lord there and sensed we were at the right place. (where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty). No one at that church has mentioned anything about why we left or said anything about it. We had one man who called himself a preacher, visit our new SBC briefly, and confronted me in the foyer one Sunday night about my former church and told me he thought they were "too legalistic". I heard what he said and answered him NOT ONE WORD. I figured he was fishing for more information but he got none from me. I don't think that guy ever came back; proably to sow discord somewhere else.. Still to this day, no one at my church, other than that brief visitor, has enquired to me or mentioned about our leaving the other church. No one has abused us there either. The verses I posted here are concerning Israel, but can apply to God's people in general. . People are people and the principle is the same. Where we are now, our pastor preaches the word and there is a spirit of love. (he preaches about Hell too) But no, no celebrating about our leaving, at least not that I have been aware. 17 And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats. 18 Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet? 19 And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet. 20 Therefore thus saith the Lord God unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle. 21 Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad;

I also noticed he seems quieter, perhaps more humble this time. But even last time I had come to view his particular tendency to boast as just having an immensely positive attitude. He's also careful to thank others and to offer credit where credit is due, while having no compunctions about calling out anyone who deserves none.

WOW

How did he ever let himself get in that kind of trouble? A pastor, or any other man, should never allow himself to be in a situation where he is alone with a woman or girl other than his Wife, mother, daughter or sister.

Some may be "real" and some are likely staged: with real fatalities. Marxists and abortion advocates have no qualms about killing.

Yes, when we go out in the world, turn on the television, that stumbling block is everywhere. But one sin does not excuse another. Not to change the subject but, this relates to something that's been disturbing to me for a long time: preachers and pastors saying stupid stuff from the pulpit which is NOT Biblical. To "preach" that a man has an excuse for abusing a woman because of how she dresses is, in one respect, similar in outcome to "preaching" that a woman has an excuse for not submitting to her husband if he will not "lead". It DIVIDES people. Both these teachings are unbiblical and they are WICKED things to say or even imply because they sow discord among/between brethren (in this case men and women). No one has an excuse for their sin, no matter what another person does. . Preachers should preach against it, yes, but keep it Biblical. When they preach against ladies' immodest dress, in the same message they should admonish the men not to look and visa versa. If we strive to keep such matters fair, honest, Biblical and Holy like Peter and Paul did, the Holy Ghost might just show up in the sermon.

Ever since "Sandy Hook", I have been sceptical of the validity/reality of these "shootings". The Dems' conspiracies and schemes have no limit as I see it

I know that many young girls wear whatever they wear because that is how they are being raised and they know no better, at least not until they get older. We all do better if we are influenced/taught in the "spirit of meekness" instead of someone pridefully spouting stupid stuff. And methinks that focusing on clothes and sex all the time can get the "spouter" into trouble too. Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man [or woman] be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Of all the fellow workers I have had over the years, the ones who treated me the worst were other men. You know, historically, we as men have been taught from an early age that we are to be tough, to never cry, things like that. I'm reminded of a foreman I had once, who gave me a hard time most every day. I don't know why because I always made it a point to do my best, to work hard and do a good job. It was a church pew factory. One day at break time, he began trash-mouthing my Father in front of all the other men. I waited a little while until I caught him alone at the water fountain and I laid into him. I let him know just how much that was not appreciated. The owner of the business came up on us and broke it up. The owner never reprimanded me for my part of the kerfuffle and the foreman never said an unkind word or treated me bad again. He treated me with respect after that. When I left that job the owner practically begged me to stay. Offered me more money and asked me to work part time. Why is it that men treat each other so? Another time, I was asked by our pastor to "ring a bell" at the end of Sunday School to alert the other classes that SS was ending. Having never "rung the bell" before, I went into the utility/storage room and could not find the bell. I searched around up and down and I guess I took a little too long because the pastor came storming in and said IT'S UP THERE!. When he pointed, he hit me in the head, never said "excuse me", "I'm sorry" or anything, just stormed back out. We men are "tough" you know. I guess that's why there are more homeless men than women, more suicides and things like that. Men also die earlier. Stress is a killer you know. That same pastor would pin roses on all the church ladies, come Mother's Day, and run the men down to the dogs on Father's Day. He would tell us were to be "leaders" and not "dictators" and to love our wives and all that(which you should) but he would treat his own wife with disrespect. For example, we were at his house one day and, during the meal, he started fussing at his wife about the meat loaf. Personally, I thought the meat loaf was exceptionally good, and I don't even care for meatloaf. I think his problem was more about control. He was a controlling man. As for toning down my rhetoric, I apologize if I offended you. My whole point again, is that husbands and wives are equally responsible for building up, or destroying their families. Pastors are getting this wrong by placing all the blame and responsibility on husbands while essentially giving wives a pass by saying things like "If husbands will lead, wives will follow". That is unbiblical. A husband is responsible for his God given role; a wife is responsible for hers as well. Either one has the power to destroy or build a family.

I believe that #3 can be answered pretty easily with the Word of God: 1 Corinthians 3:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Quoting from my original post.... Yes, I said "all" from the beginning and that wasn't directed at you. It was before you even entered the discussion. Maybe that wasn't the best choice of az word but I will stick with that statement because, as I see it, for someone to say (as Voddie Baucham has) that "as the father goes, so goes the family" is putting all the blame on the father. But I did not direct personal attacks on your character, such as accusing you of "dishonesty",

No sir, I'll just be frank with you. The "head" is the "boss", AKA the one in charge. You can "lead" all you want to, but on those rare and unfortunate occasions, when nobody wants to "follow", a "boss" has to put his foot down, so to speak: Not a pleasant thing in most respects. And what happens when the "head" puts his foot down? Well, if the wife isn't in a "submitting" mindset a the time, there's going to be backlash. These little articles imply that husbands are to just "love and lead" only and that the wife and kids are just waiting and anticipating to be "led". No they're not. Just like husbands occasionally fail at their responsibilities, wives do too. Otherwise, the command to "submit" wouldn't be in there. All I'm saying is, yes, preach the "responsibility" like the Bible does. Don't place it all on the husband, when the Bible doesn't. The writer in your article/link mentioned the "lording it over" subject. I was addressing that. So, I reiterate, "lording it over" shouldn't be an issue if everyone is doing what they're supposed to.

Yes, I already mentioned that. That Bible passage does not present the husband as "more responsible" and it does not call him a "leader". It calls him the "head". Neither does it tell him to "lord it over" the wife. He shouldn't have to because it tells her to "submit". The last verse of the chapter sums it up perfectly.....Ephesians 5:33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

What Bible passage tells us that the husband is more accountable? And you say he is responsible for trying to bring his wife back into the fold? Because here is a scripture which tells the WIFE to do that very thing for the husband. 1Peter 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; 2While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.