Eternal Security

[Free Spirit]

Personally...I believe in OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved)

or,: Eternal Security.

I base it on Eph.4:30

and 1st John 5:13.

[Jerry]

Yes, the only salvation Jesus gives is eternal life.

John 10:27-29 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

[1Timothy115]

On 4/11/2022 at 6:03 PM, Free Spirit said:

Personally...I believe in OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved)

or,: Eternal Security.

I base it on Eph.4:30

and 1st John 5:13.

1 John 5:13 is one of my favorite verses in John's Road to salvation.

[Joe Chandler]

God is eternal and His salvation is eternal. When you called on Him for salvation, He saw your entire life and forgave you completely. His forgives your past present and future sins. He forgives your sins, but just as importantly He forgives you for being a sinner. 

[Dr. Robert S. Morley]

On 5/17/2023 at 8:20 PM, Joe Chandler said:

God is eternal and His salvation is eternal. When you called on Him for salvation, He saw your entire life and forgave you completely. His forgives your past present and future sins. He forgives your sins, but just as importantly He forgives you for being a sinner. 

I believe in OSAS from God's wrath (having been at enmity with Him), and into eternal life, forgiven of all sin (past, present, and future).

However, God still points out our sin and disciplines us as His children. This familial context is characterized by conditional forgiveness as a means of discipline, wherein we still ask for and receive His forgiveness.

For example, Jesus says to the church in Ephesus, "Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent" (Rev. 2:5). Needing to repent implies needing to be forgiven.

Also, the Lord's Prayer teaches the principle of being forgiven by our Father only in the manner we forgive others.

Jesus warns His disciples of withholding forgiveness from those who ask, saying, "So likewise shall my heavenly Father [deliver you "to the tormentors"], if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses" (Matt. 18:21-35). This, however, speaks of temporary discipline, not eternal separation.

Edited May 23, 2023 by Dr. Robert S. Morley

[MikeWatson1]

Yeah...  Many look at disciplining verses and think it's removal of eternal life.

Many also.. as soon as you say osas.. will say you are teaching a license to sin.

They don't understand what grace compels us to do.

[Joe Chandler]

On 5/23/2023 at 1:48 PM, MikeWatson1 said:

Yeah...  Many look at disciplining verses and think it's removal of eternal life.

Many also.. as soon as you say osas.. will say you are teaching a license to sin.

They don't understand what grace compels us to do.

You are right, Mike. I think Paul reconciles the idea of eternal security (Our position) with our behavior. (Our sanctification.)

Colossians 3:1-7   If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.  2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.  3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.  4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.  5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:  6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:  7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.