Caner Vs. Caner

[John B. Carpenter]

1. Caner has claimed BOTH to have come to the USA in 1969 and 1978. Which was it? Listen to this video at 1:56 and again at about 4:00: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcXXq6n28-k). 

 

2. He claims to both be born in Stockholm, Sweden and Istanbul, Turkey: listen to him yourself at the above video.

 

3. Caner's mother Monica successfully fought against the provision in the divorce decree that the children be raised Muslim by making an appeal to the court on June 8th 1978. The court overturned the former condition of April 14th 1978, by allowing religious instruction "according to the desires of each parent" while in their custody. See the court order here: http://www.fakeexmuslims.com/caner-religion-web.pdf. Now, if Monica Caner was really a Muslim, why did she appeal to the court to let her instruct her children in religion other than Islam?

 

4. Butch came to the USA in 1969, at the age of 2 and attended public school. How could he, then, have only learned about American culture by what he saw on TV as a child growing up in Turkey as he claims? Here's Caner's father's immigration record, showing him coming in 1969: http://www.witnessesuntome.com/caner/Acar_Caner_Naturalization_duplicate-compressed.PDF

 

5. Can Caner speak Arabic? Here's an example of Caner's "Arabic": 

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. And another: 

[ASongOfDegrees]

I've briefly gone over these videos and there are so many things untrustworthy about them. Foremost they are all edited. Give me the full video. Also, the one about him speaking gibberish doesn't mean anything to me since I can't verify whether he is or not. Just because they spell out the way it sounds and then claim he spoke gibberish doesn't tell me a thing. How bout showing me how the phrase really should be spelled in Arabic. When a person whose first language is Spanish speaks it sounds nothing like how it is really spelled. If I was to copy it down the way it sounded I would have gibberish.

 

The application for citizenship doesn't prove anything other than his father applied for citizenship at one time.

[HappyChristian]

Thanks,Sword, for going over them.

[Dr James Ach]

I've briefly gone over these videos and there are so many things untrustworthy about them. Foremost they are all edited. Give me the full video. Also, the one about him speaking gibberish doesn't mean anything to mean since I can't verify whether he is or not. Just because they spell out the way it sounds and then claim he spoke gibberish doesn't tell me a thing. How bout showing me how the phrase really should be spelled in Arabic. When a person whose first language is Spanish speaks it sounds nothing like how it is really spelled. If I was to copy it down the way it sounded I would have gibberish.

 

The application for citizenship doesn't prove anything other than his father applied for citizenship at one time.

You won't get the full audio anymore because Caner sued them to have them taken down. I saw the full audios from the churches that posted them, and they are legit. There was nothing edited and the information wasn't provided by Caner's enemies, but directly from the churches he spoke it and their websites or youtube channels. But Caner went on a suing spree (some cases are still pending). He sued over "copyright infringement", so there are very few "original" videos left.

 

My problem isn't with the information that they have on Caner, it's with how they have pursued it, as I summarized on comment #50 on the other thread started about the exact same thing by the same poster (), and how that group of Calvinists are using this is a catalyst to influence other Baptist churches (like anti-King James, Calvinist pastors who join a KJVO fundamental Baptist forum to post their info on Caner, and then criticize IFB members while they are here).

 

I generally try to be kind in my debates, and patient in instructing others, but I have two pet peeves: those who attack the King James Bible, and those who attack fundamental Baptists through dishonest, deceptive means as well as attempting to utilize clandestine means to persuade them to Calvinism. NOT ON MY WATCH

[Pastor Matt]

No need for two topics, that is unless you have an agenda.

 

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