John Young

Well, I originally wanted to call the message "Be a Liberal" considering those who might get triggered by the word because of the elections but that would have been too much like click-bait... The word is used a lot in non-political connotations ie. Add the spice liberally to the sauce, etc. So it's a good word on its own. Also, political "Liberals" do know how to uses this Biblical law to their advantage, so we ought to as well. Being a liberal in itself is not bad but only when it is to do evil or haphazardly dispersing without understanding the outcome of what you are sowing.

The goal of the harvest is not to store the grain in big barns and keep it there but rather to use it. While in storage it has enormous potential but no actual worth. Its power and value comes only when it is transferred from the Grainery to the people. So too it is with faith. It is of little use to others when it is only within us but it's true power comes when it is transferred to others. In this message we show how "The Liberal Law of Transference" works. How seeds harvested from the ground are transferred to others, in the selling of it, creates wealth, then the wealth is used to pay for education to righteous living, and then that right livening is transferred into the winning of souls to your purposes. In this we show how the believer uses their earthly physical seed liberally transferred into Spiritual wealth to develop and save souls for eternity. (Preached Sunday Night 10-20-2024, By Brother John Young, at Green Meadow Bible Baptist Church, in Kalamazoo MI.) Proverbs 11:24-31 There is that scattereth, and yet increaseth; and there is that withholdeth more than is meet, but it tendeth to poverty. 25 The liberal soul shall be made fat: and he that watereth shall be watered also himself. 26 He that withholdeth corn, the people shall curse him: but blessing shall be upon the head of him that selleth it. 27 He that diligently seeketh good procureth favour: but he that seeketh mischief, it shall come unto him. 28 He that trusteth in his riches shall fall: but the righteous shall flourish as a branch. 29 He that troubleth his own house shall inherit the wind: and the fool shall be servant to the wise of heart. 30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise. 31 Behold, the righteous shall be recompensed in the earth: much more the wicked and the sinner.

Read what was written again...carefully. We don't celebrate the day. We celebrate ON that day. Also, the scripture is clear when that Resurrection occurred. Hence our joyful celebration ON that day. If you wish to celebrate ON another day, you certain can but its a special time because its the time when it happened. Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Whenever people ask me why to have an evening service, my two points are 1. It was the only service time we know of that Jesus attended after his resurrection (John 20:19-29). and 2. Work Schedules are so messed up now days that many people can't attend Sunday morning. Our church recently had a young couple that attended (and got saved) because ours was the only church with an evening service and being in the military he had to work in the mornings. Those are the reasons I like them but not every church needs to have them, particularly when it's a bi-vocational or small/Rual church. Each church will have to decide which types of services/community outreach ministry times that they have based on its people and its opportunities or limitations. Nor would it make the church better or worse off for not having one "just because". Just because churches die because they care more about what has always been than about reaching their community.

There are actually a lot of testimonies online about de-transitioning. The one thing they make clear is that it is not "sex change" but rather mutilation and augmentation to look like but not actually change. There are many but here of Walt Heyer is one victim who was convinced to go "all the way", showing the process of "transition" but was saved from the deception through faith in Christ. He also has many testimonies on his website here: sexchangeregret.com | Transgender To Transformed Sex Change of a Child is a form of Child Abuse | Walt Heyer | Ruth Institute Annual Summit (rumble.com)

I doubt that is a determiner as many manipulators can get their victims to doing many unspeakable things, including bodily mutilation and brainwashing. For me I think it falls along the line of those who feel they need to change themselves to align with a false sense of self that they are lacking (up to even self-mutilation and lashing out at others) verse those who are past feeling for others and want to change others and derive joy from their manipulation. For example, we can see many children who removed body parts and committed suicide afterwards and older persons who de-transitioned from the "sex change" and warn others of the false change they were tricked in to thinking they could obtain.

Much of the online only followers of any movement can fixate on the hating and that is why if you are going to work for the Lord it is so important to reduce the online following and focus on the local church fellowshipping and attendance. Just like road rage can ruin a nice drive, "Christan" internet trolls can really wreak a good soulwinning movement.

So with this, "homosexual" is not a bible term and that is where this doctrine breaks down. True reprobates can be of all persuasions and not only don't want to be saved, but they will also be actively fighting against the Christian to prevent them from preaching the gospel. Yet we see that even Paul the Apostle was outwardly doing this he obtained mercy because he did it in ignorance and unbelief. So the true reprobate holds the truth but in unrighteousness (Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 1 Timothy 1:13 who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.). Yet the term homosexual is intentionally an all-encompassing term to include the victim as well as the abuser. Many "homosexuals" are not reprobates but are in being groomed by their abusers to hate and appear as they are. While outwardly they could appear as reprobate or "homosexual" they may still be rescued as Paul was from his wicked actions.

First I would say the best thing to do is get into a loving IFB church with a caring pastor that you and your family can minister in with a good conscience before God and go to every service the best you can while being an encouragement to the pastor and other members and be willing to learn from them with a humble heart at all times. Second, have a dedicated prayer and bible reading time for yourself and also for your family and don't use topical study as a substitute for your devotions. These two things will help the most as God will use them to answer your doctrinal question as you read and will grow your heart as you pray. I have an artical on devotions here: As for the other three questions So what most of "Dispensation of Heresy" does is use extreme views of dispensationalism such as hyper dispensational theology and Rachmanism. Most IFB are against some to those things too. Particularly the Mutiple salvation stuff. Most Baptist also do not hold to the version that document exposes. Also, you'll have to check with your local church because while IFB holds to some form of dispensationalism (such as simply considering its divisions of time as helpful) it is not as crucial as the NIFB seem to make it. Here is a few videos showing my view on it as not necessarily one of time but one of stewardship: So post-trib-pre-wrath of the NIFB needs to have the Church and the State of Israel to be the same for their view to work. They also have to divide up the book of Revelation to make their view fit. However, Acts 15, 16 and 28 makes it clear the two are separate continuing covenants. This division of church and state are so clear that when the NIFB preachers teach on Acts 15 they have to say the apostles and the church elders were "wrong" in what they decreed for the Jews and Gentils. I have a transcript and videos on that as well. John Young's Blog: Why The Church Is Not Israel (Acts 15) (johnyoungblogs.blogspot.com)

I generally take the scriptures as true and accurate. Christ presented the story as true and not as a parable and included a name. Even if it were a parable, in every parable of Jesus they are true and accurate in the practical and spiritual levels even if it is not referring to one particular person. For example, in the parable of the four soils, on the practical level dirt acts on seeds precisely in those ways and on the spiritual level the hearts of mankind are affected precisely in the same manner as the dirt and in the parable of wheat and tares is true and accurate. Seeing that all his parables are true and accurate in every level then I have no reason to think differently as to his description of how Hell works upon the soul of men in the afterlife.

I'm simply cataloging the process scripturally from the family perspective, beginning to end, showing why and how "Abraham Bosom" actually exists.

No I'm not. While their bodies sleep in the dust, the Souls are very much awake. As clearly seen in the story about the Rich Man and Lazarus.

Where do people go when they die? The bible states that in death they are gathered unto their people according to their families. Genesis 25:7-10 And these are the days of the years of Abraham’s life which he lived, an hundred threescore and fifteen years. 8 Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years; and was gathered to his people. 9 And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which is before Mamre; 10 the field which Abraham purchased of the sons of Heth: there was Abraham buried, and Sarah his wife. Genesis 25:17-18 And these are the years of the life of Ishmael, an hundred and thirty and seven years: and he gave up the ghost and died; and was gathered unto his people. 18 And they dwelt from Havilah unto Shur, that is before Egypt, as thou goest toward Assyria: and he died in the presence of all his brethren. Genesis 35:27-29 And Jacob came unto Isaac his father unto Mamre, unto the city of Arbah, which is Hebron, where Abraham and Isaac sojourned. 28 And the days of Isaac were an hundred and fourscore years. 29 And Isaac gave up the ghost, and died, and was gathered unto his people, being old and full of days: and his sons Esau and Jacob buried him. Genesis 49:28-33 All these are the twelve tribes of Israel: and this is it that their father spake unto them, and blessed them; every one according to his blessing he blessed them. 29 And he charged them, and said unto them, I am to be gathered unto my people: bury me with my fathers in the cave that is in the field of Ephron the Hittite, 30 in the cave that is in the field of Machpelah, which is before Mamre, in the land of Canaan, which Abraham bought with the field of Ephron the Hittite for a possession of a burying place. 31 There they buried Abraham and Sarah his wife; there they buried Isaac and Rebekah his wife; and there I buried Leah. 32 The purchase of the field and of the cave that is therein was from the children of Heth. 33 And when Jacob had made an end of commanding his sons, he gathered up his feet into the bed, and yielded up the ghost, and was gathered unto his people. Genesis 50:24-26 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I die: and God will surely visit you, and bring you out of this land unto the land which he sware to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob. 25 And Joseph took an oath of the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you, and ye shall carry up my bones from hence.26 So Joseph died, being an hundred and ten years old: and they embalmed him, and he was put in a coffin in Egypt. (Exodus13:19And Moses took the bones of Joseph with him: for he had straitly sworn the children of Israel, saying, God will surely visit you; and ye shall carry up my bones away hence with you. Joshua24:32 And the bones of Joseph, which the children of Israel brought up out of Egypt, buried they in Shechem, in a parcel of ground which Jacob bought of the sons of Hamor the father of Shechem for an hundred pieces of silver: and it became the inheritance of the children of Joseph.) This gathering does not mean bodies buried together but refers to the gathering of their Souls. Numbers 20:23-29 And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron in mount Hor, by the coast of the land of Edom, saying,24Aaron shall be gathered unto his people: for he shall not enter into the land which I have given unto the children of Israel, because ye rebelled against my word at the water of Meribah. 25 Take Aaron and Eleazar his son, and bring them up unto mount Hor: 26and strip Aaron of his garments, and put them upon Eleazar his son: and Aaron shall be gathered unto his people, and shall die there. 27 And Moses did as the Lord commanded: and they went up into mount Hor in the sight of all the congregation. 28 And Moses stripped Aaron of his garments, and put them upon Eleazar his son; and Aaron died there in the top of the mount: and Moses and Eleazar came down from the mount. 29 And when all the congregation saw that Aaron was dead, they mourned for Aaron thirty days, even all the house of Israel. Numbers 27:12-14 And the Lord said unto Moses, Get thee up into this mount Abarim, and see the land which I have given unto the children of Israel.13And when thou hast seen it, thou also shalt be gathered unto thy people, as Aaron thy brother was gathered. 14 For ye rebelled against my commandment in the desert of Zin, in the strife of the congregation, to sanctify me at the water before their eyes: that is the water of Meribah in Kadesh in the wilderness of Zin. (Numbers 31:1-2And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,2Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.) Deuteronomy 32:48-52 And the Lord spake unto Moses that selfsame day, saying, 49 Get thee up into this mountain Abarim, unto mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, that is over against Jericho; and behold the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel for a possession: 50 and die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people: 51 because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah-Kadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel. 52 Yet thou shalt see the land before thee; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel. Deuteronomy 34:5-8 So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord. 6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Beth-peor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day. 7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated. 8 And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended. (Jude 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.) 2 Kings 22 Josiah was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned thirty and one years in Jerusalem. And his mother’s name was Jedidah, the daughter of Adaiah of Boscath. 2 And he did that which was right in the sight of the Lord, and walked in all the way of David his father, and turned not aside to the right hand or to the left….18 But to the king of Judah which sent you to enquire of the Lord, thus shall ye say to him, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, As touching the words which thou hast heard; 19 because thine heart was tender, and thou hast humbled thyself before the Lord, when thou heardest what I spake against this place, and against the inhabitants thereof, that they should become a desolation and a curse, and hast rent thy clothes, and wept before me; I also have heard thee, saith the Lord. 20 Behold therefore, I will gather thee unto thy fathers, and thou shalt be gathered into thy grave in peace; and thine eyes shall not see all the evil which I will bring upon this place. And they brought the king word again. Everyone was gathered to sleep with their fathers. Deuteronomy 31:16 And the Lord said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; ... 1 Kings 2:10 So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David. (2 Samuel 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.) 1 Kings 11:43 And Solomon slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David his father:... 1 Kings 14:20 And ...Jeroboam...slept with his fathers... 1 Kings 14:31 Rehoboam slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David…. 1 Kings 15:8 And Abijam slept with his fathers; and they buried him in the city of David:... 1 Kings 15:24 And Asa slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David... 1 Kings 16:6 So Baasha slept with his fathers, and was buried in Tirzah:... 1 Kings 16:28 So Omri slept with his fathers, and was buried in Samaria:... 1 Kings 22:40 So Ahab slept with his fathers;... 1 Kings 22:50 And Jehoshaphat slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers…. 2 Kings 8:24 And Joram slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David:... 2 Kings 10:35 And Jehu slept with his fathers: and they buried him in Samaria…. 2 Kings 13:9 And Jehoahaz slept with his fathers; and they buried him in Samaria:... 2 Kings 13:13 And Joash slept with his fathers;... Joash was buried in Samaria with the kings of Israel. 1 Kings 16:6 So Baasha slept with his fathers, and was buried in Tirzah:... 1 Kings 16:28 So Omri slept with his fathers, and was buried in Samaria:... 1 Kings 22:40 So Ahab slept with his fathers;... 1 Kings 22:50 And Jehoshaphat slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers... 2 Kings 8:24 And Joram slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David:... 2 Kings 10:35 And Jehu slept with his fathers: and they buried him in Samaria…. 2 Kings 13:9 And Jehoahaz slept with his fathers; and they buried him in Samaria:... 2 Kings 13:13 Joash slept with his fathers;...and Joash was buried in Samaria with the kings of Israel. 2 Kings 14:16 And Jehoash slept with his fathers, and was buried in Samaria with the kings of Israel;... 2 Kings 14:21-23 ...Azariah,... the king slept with his fathers. 2 Kings 14:29 And Jeroboam slept with his fathers, even with the kings of Israel;... 2 Kings 15:7 Azariah slept with his fathers; and they buried him with his fathers in the city of David:... 2 Kings 15:22 And Menahem slept with his fathers;... 2 Kings 15:38 Jotham slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers... 2 Kings 16:20 And Ahaz slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David:... 2 Kings 20:21 And Hezekiah slept with his fathers:... 2 Kings 21:18 And Manasseh slept with his fathers, and was buried in the garden of his own house,... 2 Kings 24:6 So Jehoiakim slept with his fathers: and Jehoiachin his son reigned in his stead. 2 Chronicles 9:31 Solomon slept with his fathers, and he was buried in the city of David his father:... 2 Chronicles 12:16 And Rehoboam slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David:... 2 Chronicles 14:1 So Abijah slept with his fathers, and they buried him in the city of David:... 2 Chronicles 16:13 And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign. 2 Chronicles 21:1 Jehoshaphat slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David 2 Chronicles 26:23 Uzziah slept with his fathers, and they buried him with his fathers in the field of the burial which belonged to the kings; for they said, He is a leper:... 2 Chronicles 27:9 And Jotham slept with his fathers, and they buried him in the city of David:... 2 Chronicles 28:27 And Ahaz slept with his fathers, and they buried him in the city, even in Jerusalem: but they brought him not into the sepulchres of the kings of Israel:... 2 Chronicles 32:33 Hezekiah slept with his fathers, and they buried him in the chiefest of the sepulchres of the sons of David: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem did him honour at his death…. 2 Chronicles 33:20 So Manasseh slept with his fathers, and they buried him in his own house:... They were to sleep until they are called to come forth. Job 14:14-15 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. 15 Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands. Job 19:25-27 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: 26 and though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: 27 whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me. (1 Cor 15:50-52 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.) Daniel 12: And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever….13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days. Isaiah 24:21-23 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. 22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited. 23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the Lord of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously. On earth Christ called the sleeping dead back to life. Luke 8:51-55 And when he came into the house, he suffered no man to go in, save Peter, and James, and John, and the father and the mother of the maiden. 52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth. 53 And they laughed him to scorn, knowing that she was dead. 54 And he put them all out, and took her by the hand, and called, saying, Maid, arise. 55 And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway: and he commanded to give her meat. John 11:11-44 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. 12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. 13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep….21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee. 23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? 27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world…..40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God? 41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. 42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me. 43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. 44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go. Matthew 27:50-53 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. At our death, by his work on the cross Christ enters hell and calls the wise forth from their earthly families to interim with his family in heaven until the final resurrection call. Proverbs 15:24 The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath. 1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. (2 Corinthians 4:14 knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you. 2 Corinthians 5:8 we are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.) 1 Thessalonians 5:10 who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. Matthew 4:16 the people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up. Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. Ephesians 4:8-10 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 1 Peter 3:18-19 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Christ gives use this same power through the Holy Ghost to call people into his family. John 20:21-23 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: 23 whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained. But this power was not given to man until after the resurrection. John 7:38-39 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) Yet the wicked will not be gathered to Christ. Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Job 27:8, 19-22 8 For what is the hope of the hypocrite, though he hath gained, when God taketh away his soul?...The rich man shall lie down, but he shall not be gathered: he openeth his eyes, and he is not. 20 Terrors take hold on him as waters, a tempest stealeth him away in the night. 21 The east wind carrieth him away, and he departeth: and as a storm hurleth him out of his place. 22 For God shall cast upon him, and not spare: he would fain flee out of his hand. The story of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31) shows us how this interment of families occurred before Christ went to intern with his fathers after his death on the cross and then call them out. The faithful are gathered by the Angels to their fathers. (Jude 9) 22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: The unfaithful are not gathered by the angels. the rich man also died, and was buried; 23 and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, Yet they can still see and speak with their fathers. and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. Yet their unfaithfulness divided them and prevented them from going were the faithful were. 26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. The living can hear and chose which side of the gulf they will be placed but the dead cannot. 27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house: 28 for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. When Christ went to hell he went to be with his earthly fathers, he joined them and preached the gospel to them then too the believing to heaven to be with his heavenly father. This provided the way of life for those who died before his glorification and provided the way of life for us all. Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. John 14:2-6 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. 5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Hebrews 10:19-20 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; Hebrews 11:39-40 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Robert Francis Kennedy Jr. would also like to remind everybody that he is still in the race...

I'm thinking Gretchen Whitmer might team up with her as the democrats are going to push women's rights hard in this election.

Knowing how to manage the secretes that you are entrusted with is very important and is not something to be taken lightly. Thier proper management can greatly help yourself and others. In this message we show the blessing of keeping secrets and also the dangers of mismanaging them. Proverbs 11:12-23 ~ Authorized (King James) Version 12 He that is void of wisdom despiseth his neighbour: but a man of understanding holdeth his peace. 13 A talebearer revealeth secrets: but he that is of a faithful spirit concealeth the matter. 14 Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety. 15 He that is surety for a stranger shall smart for it: and he that hateth suretiship is sure. 16 A gracious woman retaineth honour: and strong men retain riches. 7 The merciful man doeth good to his own soul: but he that is cruel troubleth his own flesh. 18 The wicked worketh a deceitful work: but to him that soweth righteousness shall be a sure reward.19 As righteousness tendeth to life: so he that pursueth evil pursueth it to his own death. 20 They that are of a froward heart are abomination to the Lord: but such as are upright in their way are his delight. 21 Though hand join in hand, the wicked shall not be unpunished: but the seed of the righteous shall be delivered. 22 As a jewel of gold in a swine’s snout, so is a fair woman which is without discretion. 23 The desire of the righteous is only good: but the expectation of the wicked is wrath. (Preached by John Young, Wednesday night, 06-19-2024, at Green Meadow Bible Baptist Church, Kalamazoo MI. Pastor Jonathan Bosserd) (The first 18 minutes the image is stuck but audio is still good.)

Yes, even in hard things the Spirit is present. Take Moses for example. He was the most humble and meek man yet had to speak hard things and execute hard judgements. Numbers 12:3 (Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.) When he spoke, he spoke as God with the Spirit of God and did great things. Yet When he allowed himself to speak in the flesh, He failed to Glorify God (Numbers 20:10-12). To say that we must speak in a fleshly way when speaking about hard things or when contending for the faith is not correct. Every word of God is by His Spirit and not by works of the flesh.

If you can't read or teach the scriptures with the heart of the Spirit and if you can only speak using the tone of the flesh, then you won't ever understand those passages much less the scriptures in general. The Spirit speaks like the Spirit. Full stop. Beware of who's words you are using sarcasm with and learn how He has told you to teach His word. 2 Timothy 2:24-26 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

No need because it has already been analyzed. I can guarantee you that the Bible was written with love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance. Anything we write aught to be as well, even when speaking about hard and difficult topics which the Spirit often did through the Biblical writers.

Perhaps some good emotions would help as emotion reveals the spiritual fruit in our lives and helps get our message across. If we grieve the Spirit with the wrong fleshly emotions, nothing we say will come across correctly. Being stoic emotionally in our heart and soul while we write only means the flesh will be unrestrained to write as it sees fit and the flesh has no interest in being stoic, it will convey fleshly passion. 1 Corinthians 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Jude 20-23 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, 21 keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. 22 And of some have compassion, making a difference: 23 and others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. Ephesians 4:30-32 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32 and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you. 1 Corinthians 9:27 but I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. Colossians 4:6 Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

Prosperity preaching basically, takes God's biblical principles of stewardship (which are right and true) and stets them to a wrong purpose. As I indicated in the opening that three Theologies typically influence most Baptists thinking. When one gets out of balance or wrongly focused then it becomes a problem. God gave us the stewardship principles to build his Spiritual kingdom, but False teachers and preachers take them and apply the principles to build themselves a physical kingdom while making their brothers poor. 2 Peter 2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

1. How Can theology cause “end times” confusion? To study the bible in a comprehensive manner is a worthwhile goal and this is what theologies attempt to do. Once we know the whole, we can better understand its parts. Yet… I. The artificial nature of theologies can vail the scriptures (both intentionally or unintentionally). When a theology imposes an artificial structure to the bible, rather than using the bibles stated method and contextual progression, it transposes the passages and places a vail over the eyes of the person attempting to understand the scriptures, in both meaning and purpose. Now not all vails completely obscure all the parts, but it often prevents complete understanding or obscures a part's true function. For example the vail of unbelief obscures the lost to understanding the scriptures (1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.), The vail of flesh obscures our view of heavenly things (2 Kings 6:15-17 And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone forth, behold, an host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, Alas, my master! how shall we do? And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them. And Elisha prayed, and said, Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha., Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations., Isaiah 34:4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree., Revelation 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.) Such a spiritual veil was (and still is) over the hearts of the Jewish people in reading of the scriptures. Such a vail imposed caused the work of Christ to be rejected and his rulership to be refused (Luke 13:14 And the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because that Jesus had healed on the sabbath day, and said unto the people, There are six days in which men ought to work: in them therefore come and be healed, and not on the sabbath day. John 5:16-17“And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.) Yet after Jesus rose again He removed this veil from the eyes of His followers to see the scriptures as God intended. 2 Corinthians 3:12-16 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. (Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. Acts 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. Revelation 19:10b ...for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.) We even see where such a vail once removes was often re-imposed, once again obscuring the believer’s understanding. For example, the false teachers attempting to vail Christ under the Israelite covenant or the Law keepers in Galatia who attempted to vail Christ under the Law of Moses. Acts 15:1And certain men which came down from Judæa taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. Galatians 1:6-10 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.” Such existed in Paul’s day and still does to this day, vexing the believers of Christ with vails of all sorts purporting to be a help to the believer in one way or another (i.e.. faithfulness to God, holiness, “right division”, business practices, prosperity, hidden knowledge, the way of salvation, etc.) yet results in obscuring the works of Christ in the process. Such are vails which do not keep Christ and His work at the center authority in all theology and instead imposes some other framework in its place. It matters not if that thing is good or even great, it all must be subject to Christ and His work. (Matthew 28:18-20 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.) In light of these things, we can see how vails of theology can obscure our purpose and can change how and what we see in scripture. We must be careful that the lenses by which we attempt to see are shading our view of Christ's work, particularly in these end times. In the context of overarching views of scripture, there are many systematic frameworks, some good and many not so much, dealing with various aspects of theology. In general, among Bible Believing Baptist Christians there are three by which we take our overall view of End times to varying degrees. Covenant theology, Dispensation Theology, and Stewardship Theology. Because Baptist hold the Word of God, the Bible, in very high regard (Psalm 138:2b ...for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.), none are wholly given over to any one framework in its systematic entirety but rather, depending on the individual or group, use them in piecemeal to varying degrees, gleaning bits and pieces and using them at times to help explain what they see in the scriptures. Because of this many are strong in one area but weak in others, being swayed or steadfast. In general Baptist to various degrees glean their Soteriology from Covenant Theology and their Bible divisions from Dispensation Theology and their work ethics from Stewardship Theology. Yet because they are derivative and not in their native biblical format these artificially systematized theologies can become vails to those studying them, If Christ and His work is not kept in view. Take the following examples for each: Covenant Theology holds as its core principle the “Covenant of Grace”. Its strength is tracing God’s mercy and grace to all believers from the beginning of time all the way to its rest into eternity. Yet its weakness is that it can see nothing else and no other purpose. It sees in every covenant and testament a one for one exchange and transformation. Essentially the passing of the guard. National Israel and its priest becomes the church and it ministers, circumcision becomes baptism, etc. Essentially every reference to believing Israel becomes a promise, allegory or spiritual or prophetic pronouncement for the church to one degree or another. (Ephesians 4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.) Dispensation Theology holds as its core principle “the responsibility of man through time”. Its strength is showing us man’s responsibility before God in each period of time as presented in scripture. It excels in seeing division of institutions through time (ie. family, church, government, Israel, the nations) Its weakness is that it makes hard cuts of everything into set “ages” wrongly dividing many spiritual things that it shouldn’t, particularly the saving work of Christ. (Ephesians 1:9-11 having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: that in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: in whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:) Stewardship Theology holds as its core principle “Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?”. Its strength is getting people to work and applying scripture principles to the work in which they are called. Properly focused it gets people involved in Great Commission with their time talent and treasure. Due to inherent nature of harnessing biblical principles of multiplication, its weakness is when its strength is misapplied only for the secular, or it is abused into a prosperity style gospel and no longer has working for Christ as its end goal. (Acts 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.) How then can theses cause confusion for the end times? In general, when relegated to their secondary and partial status as helps to the scripture they don’t tend to have that great effect on the everyday life. Yet when the believer attempts to peer beyond the vail of their understanding and if they are not careful will seek to the theologies rather than to just to prayer and scriptural study. (Isaiah 8:19-20 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.) Why is this? Theologies, for however good they may be, present to the believer a quick and concise picture of the thing to which they are seeking without all of the work and study that true scripture study would require. All the supporting verses are cleanly presented with none of the conflicting or contextual things of scripture in the way. The pieces of scripture that do not fit are ignored and tossed aside for the new shiny systematic construct. It is all of the sugar with none of the fiber. Study the script and instantly have something that makes sense and is easy to defend against heretics (Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?). Many theologies live in harmony and have strong scriptural support for why they are to be believed as correct in their outcomes yet conflict comes when two or more purport to have the biblical answer yet have different answers to the questions asked. This leads to adherents battling it out for who is more correct by latching on to the weak points of the other theology. This then makes the adherents to wrest more scripture in attempt to prove their system over the other, leaving the true context of each passage to be disregarded and in their wake. Becoming less about the truth of scripture and more about their truth, vailing their heart just as did the rivaling factions among the Jews. This is precisely what is going on in the area of end times with the above three theologies. (Acts 23:7 And when he had so said, there arose a dissension between the Pharisees and the Sadducees: and the multitude was divided. 2 Peter 3:16-17 ...speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. Romans 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.) It then is imperative then to the Lord’s work that we not be caught up in such conflicts when seeking answers from scripture and seek for the truth beyond the theologies and as scripture presents them. To be continued....

I usually just turn my phone up real loud.....Maybe one day I'll get a car that's compatible with Android, then I can check back on this thread! lol

Colossians 2:8-10 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: Philippians 2:5-7 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: Hebrews 1:1-4 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4 being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. John 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. Hebrews 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. 1 Peter 1:23 being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 1 Peter 3:4 but let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.