What is "non-dispensational"??

[Invicta]

From what I understand,  dispensationalis are those who believe in the pre tribulation rapture and perhaps other futurists. Writers in the past who are neither of those seem to speak of the old testament times as a dispensation and the  current times as another and the eternal state as the last. As I understand from reading them. 

[MikeWatson1]

4 hours ago, Invicta said:

From what I understand,  dispensationalis are those who believe in the pre tribulation rapture and perhaps other futurists. Writers in the past who are neither of those seem to speak of the old testament times as a dispensation and the  current times as another and the eternal state as the last. As I understand from reading them. 

A dispensationalist usually has the church starting at Pentecost.  This undermines the real church work that Jesus did with His disciples.

[Guest Garrett C.]

On 9/4/2022 at 9:19 PM, Baruch said:

This could not be entirely accurate since Christ had not died and rose again. In the Old Testament under the law works were required for atonement, and in the New Testament Jesus performed all the work, and we are saved by God's grace through faith in Christ alone, no works involved. So even though old testament saints were looking ahead to the true sacrifice, they had to perform works for their salvation/atonement. Therefore they were in a different dispensation than the church.

 

O.T. saints could not have been saved by faith in Jesus because the messiah had not be formerly announced by name. This was first revealed to Mary the mother of Jesus, and affirmed by God when Jesus was baptized. So, in the O.T. they were saved by faith in the God of Abraham, and not in Jesus name, although Jesus is a member of Trinity.

 

Dispensations can't be denied. Yes, God's grace abounds through the bible. However He dealt with man differently during the time of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, then in the New Testament Jesus stated He can specifically for the Jews. After the Pentecost things change, and the Apostle Paul came on the scene with the message of salvation through God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ alone. Throughout all dispensations God's grace abounded, the difference is that in the old testament man had to do works, in the new testament Christ did all the work for us. So obtaining salvation through all dispensations have been different. For Adam and Eve it was not eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. For Noah it was building the Ark, for Moses it was obedient to the Law, for the Jews during Christ's ministry it was to believe on the name of Christ and to be baptized, for the church under Paul's ministry it is faith in Christ alone.

This view of God using works to justify in the old testament and faith in the new testament locks God into working on a linear timeline. Christ’s work on the cross is effective for the faith of all from Adam to the New Testament. It is efficient for only the believers. The Old and New Testament are both clear that faith in Christ alone is the only way to be saved. Christ in person maybe not name is eternity present throughout the Bible, and history. Justification is by Grace through faith alone.

[Joe Chandler]

On 10/16/2024 at 9:43 PM, Guest Garrett C. said:

This view of God using works to justify in the old testament and faith in the new testament locks God into working on a linear timeline. Christ’s work on the cross is effective for the faith of all from Adam to the New Testament. It is efficient for only the believers. The Old and New Testament are both clear that faith in Christ alone is the only way to be saved. Christ in person maybe not name is eternity present throughout the Bible, and history. Justification is by Grace through faith alone.

John 3 is the conversation of Jesus and Nicodemus where Jesus explains that being born again is the only way to see and enter the kingdom of God. Then he says this, John 3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? It sounds like Jesus expected Nicodemus to know this as a master of Israel. And Jesus is described as Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. So I agree with you.