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When I was growing up, I use to think that when I will be big, I will build a charity home to Carter for the poor.  Today, I am the poor looking for bread in the trash. Many think that helping the underprivileged is charity. It is an issue of justice. The poor are suffering injustice, they are not free people. The world have derived a better way to deny a poor man justice. They call it scamming.  Each time they ask for food, to escape and not give us food, they call it scam.

Christian preach love but thousands of their neighbors go to bed hungry. Being poor in a community is a sin. The poor are unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody.  Every time you go on leisure, each time you go on holidays, each time you throw away food, old clothes and use households equipments, you are perpetrating injustice to the poor and hungry.

Why can we not sit down to eat with all those who haven’t eaten. Why can you not Find out how much God has given you and from it take what you need, the remainder is needed by others.  Anybody who give bread to the hunger is a God.

Hunger has made many thieves. Hunger have made many to go to the street in protest. Hunger have produced terrorists, murderers etc. People everywhere can have three meals a day if we want. We can all have quality education. I have the audacity to challenge our leaders to end hunger and see how all human crisis, killings, stealing and lies telling will die a natural death.  I have the audacity to challenge church authorities to fight hunger and worship will be so exceptional

If the society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. We will continue to live on chaos . If the lord has blessed  you, pray that the Lord makes you worthy to serve those throughout the world who live and die in poverty or hunger. Give them their daily bread, and give them love, peace and joy

To me, the first essential component of social justice is adequate food for all mankind. Food is the moral right of all who are born into this world. Pluto said “The god of love lives in a state of need. It is a need. It is an urge. It is a homeostatic imbalance. Like hunger and thirst, it’s almost impossible to stamp out.

We were created to use material things and love people and not to use people and love material things.  Love is the climax of Christianity and the highest quality of God’s character.  If I can give a million in church but refused to help a hungry brother, then my Christianity is deformed and my giving is a transaction inspired by greed. Many of us give to charity organizations who out out of 100% will give just 10% to the poor. They used it to buy cars, open business and intimidate the poor.

When the lord shows a man mercy, he should not be tempted to think that his neighbor is lazy. There are people who fasted for days without hearing or encountering God while some were eating when Jesus visited them.  There is election by mercy. Most people think we have committed a sin when we ask for mercy.  The mercy of God is deeper than forgiveness(Psalm 102:13).

Man is but man, even the best of man is still man.  My prayer is always that “Oh lord show me mercy.” Many will call be names but they are not my God.

Psalm 119

41. Let thy mercies come also unto me, O LORD, even thy salvation, according to thy word.

77. Let thy tender mercies come unto me, that I may live: for thy law is my delight

156.  Great are thy tender mercies, O LORD: quicken me according to thy judgments.

Amen

 

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3 hours ago, Kienyui said:

When I was growing up, I use to think that when I will be big, I will build a charity home to Carter for the poor.

It's always a good thing to have aspirations to help others. And this sounds like a very worthy cause. 

3 hours ago, Kienyui said:

 

 Today, I am the poor looking for bread in the trash.

I'm very sorry that the war in your country has affected you in this manner. With all of us living on this side of the world, and with most of the aid organizations not able to dispense supplies of food and medicine there, there's very little that we can do except to pray for you. 

3 hours ago, Kienyui said:

 

Many think that helping the underprivileged is charity. It is an issue of justice. The poor are suffering injustice, they are not free people.

In some cases this is true, but not all. Helping the "underprivileged" IS charity. It's not all necessarily an "issue of justice." It's a falsehood that the poor are suffering injustice in many cases. Many of the poor are poor because of the poor choices they make. Some are born into poverty and because of circumstances may never be able to break away from their plight. But, is this injustice? Not necessarily so, at least not in the broad sense you are implying it to be. And you truly will need to clarify what you mean by "free." If you mean financially, this could be the case. But, was this because of one's parent's bad choices in finances, or because of the individual's incorrect choices while they were growing up, joining the job market, etc? Many who are poor feel they are free and have accepted that God may have, by design, placed them into this situation. If the Lord is there, moving in ones life, there is freedom. 

3 hours ago, Kienyui said:

 

The world have derived a better way to deny a poor man justice. They call it scamming.  Each time they ask for food, to escape and not give us food, they call it scam.

I'm not so sure that I agree with your assessment here. Many organizations supply food, medical supplies, operations, clean water, etc, during war, natural disasters, etc. You'll have to clarify how you came to this conclusion. I don't believe any of these would honestly be trying to deny anyone any of these things. 

3 hours ago, Kienyui said:

Christian preach love but thousands of their neighbors go to bed hungry.

And many of those who go to bed hungry among these neighbor ARE Christians as well. Only a prosperity gospel would preach that God is love alone.

3 hours ago, Kienyui said:

 

Being poor in a community is a sin.

Is it? Yes, if the community should do what they can to assist any poor in their area. But, let's not lay blame on the community alone for a person/set of persons plight. 

3 hours ago, Kienyui said:

 

The poor are unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody.

Indeed, the poor aren't always treated with love, fairness, and kindness. But, are they truly "forgotten by EVERYBODY?" I don't think so. As I stated before, many organizations do what they can to assist in war-torn countries with food, medicine, and other social needs. Let's be honest. 

3 hours ago, Kienyui said:

 

 Every time you go on leisure, each time you go on holidays, each time you throw away food, old clothes and use households equipments, you are perpetrating injustice to the poor and hungry.

How can you believe this? People who live in countries like the US, the UK, etc, and work their tails off to supply for their families, tithe to the work of the Lord, and help with other needs of the Gospel effort,  and take a respite each year to regain their bearings and build relationships/memories with their loved ones have in no way perpetrated any injustice to the poor. It sounds to me like you have been indoctrinated with the Marxist attitude of "social justice,' thinking that the world owes you something. It doesn't.  

3 hours ago, Kienyui said:

Why can we not sit down to eat with all those who haven’t eaten. Why can you not Find out how much God has given you and from it take what you need, the remainder is needed by others.  Anybody who give bread to the hunger is a God.

Those who tithe to their churches usually have a portion of those tithes that are used for purposes such as food kitchens, supplying school supplies for the poorer children of their communities, assisting schools with breakfasts for underprivileged children, etc. Most do this at their own expense. And, many who do work in things like the local missions, helping with those who are living on the streets, alcoholics, etc., are doing so at their own expense. They know what the Lord has told them to do, and do so. And to be frank, sir, they do know that helping others is a way to show the love of Christ. 

3 hours ago, Kienyui said:

Hunger has made many thieves. Hunger have made many to go to the street in protest. Hunger have produced terrorists, murderers etc. People everywhere can have three meals a day if we want. We can all have quality education. I have the audacity to challenge our leaders to end hunger and see how all human crisis, killings, stealing and lies telling will die a natural death.  I have the audacity to challenge church authorities to fight hunger and worship will be so exceptional

Here again, you are showing the Marxist ideology that hunger and being underprivileged are excuses to perpetrate such acts. The Bible tells us that whoever knows to do good/right, and doesn't do it, to him it is a sin. I'm going to be frank here, Kienyui, many of your past posts have shown that you have little regard for what is right. You've given several accounts of your doing wrong, stating that you clearly knew it was wrong, but that God knew your heart and would excuse such actions. Guess what, my friend. The Bible says he won't excuse it even if it's during a time of war in your country. Believe me, I can fully understand the attitude of the necessity of doing wrong to do right. But, I cannot find this principle in the Bible. 

3 hours ago, Kienyui said:

If the society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. We will continue to live on chaos . If the lord has blessed  you, pray that the Lord makes you worthy to serve those throughout the world who live and die in poverty or hunger. Give them their daily bread, and give them love, peace and joy

Society will always have its ills. Is this good, or even right? No. But, to try to force people to change won't help, It will breed all of the things that you have mentioned poverty would bring. It's two sides of the same coin. Many who are living in poverty have no will/desire/intention of everything they possibly can to get out of poverty. I've lived in some of the poorest areas in the Chicago, Milwaukee, Atlanta, Minneapolis, Indianapolis, and Nashville areas here in the United States. I have worked in many of the missions, soup kitchens, and other social service organizations. My wife and I have been foster parents and have helped raise children of people who were living in poverty, using drugs, were facing prison. I've seen many terrible things. But, I've also been honest in my perceptions of these things. I've seen the good and the bad. I've seen many poor/underprivileged who were happy where they were but were still striving to get to a better place. Many seek excuses while others seek to better themselves, work hard, and still share with others. I've seen many wealthy who have time, money, cars, houses, food, and education to others out of their own pockets and still turned out to be terrible people underneath. I don't know if you know who Alphonse Capone was or not He was a gangster here in the United States during the 1920s and 1930s. He was a murderer, adulterer, bootlegger, and promoter/designer of several methods of organized crime. He ran soup kitchens throughout Chicago, Illinois, and Hammond, Indiana during the time he was there. Many thought he was special despite all of his criminal activities. It just goes to show that your assessment of people is flawed...very flawed.

3 hours ago, Kienyui said:

To me, the first essential component of social justice is adequate food for all mankind. Food is the moral right of all who are born into this world. Pluto said “The god of love lives in a state of need. It is a need. It is an urge. It is a homeostatic imbalance. Like hunger and thirst, it’s almost impossible to stamp out.

You continue to use the phrase "social justice." Are you not aware that this is a Marxist position? Marxism is wholly against what is taught in the Bible. This already shows me that you're not holding to the Scriptures. Food is NOT a moral right, even though it is a necessity for life. The Bible gives us the words in the Disciples Prayer, "give us this day our daily bread." The Lord himself also told his disciples, "Take no thought" for what they were to eat, what clothes the Lord would allow them to have, etc. Kienyui, are you depending on the Lord for your food and protection? From previous posts on these forums, I don't see where you are, and again, I'm eluding to the fact that you've given several accounts of unscriptural methods to satisfy needs. 

3 hours ago, Kienyui said:

We were created to use material things and love people and not to use people and love material things.  Love is the climax of Christianity and the highest quality of God’s character.  If I can give a million in church but refused to help a hungry brother, then my Christianity is deformed and my giving is a transaction inspired by greed.

Most who give millions in their churches are the ones who give above and beyond to help in social activities of the church, ie, soup kitchens, missions for assisting alcoholics, drug addicts, unwed mothers, etc. Your "broad brush" approach to people shows that you have little or no respect or regard for others. Not many people I know, wealthy (and I know many wealthy people), middle-class, or poor use people. Yet, to be fair, we all use people we know to one degree or another. We all will hopefully be using the material goods that we have for the right purposes. But, there again, not all will do so.  

3 hours ago, Kienyui said:

 

Many of us give to charity organizations who out out of 100% will give just 10% to the poor. They used it to buy cars, open business and intimidate the poor.

This is where all of us need to be doing our due diligence to find out where the funds given to any organization are going, what percentage is spent where, etc. Any percentage over 25% being spent on administrative costs is out of line. Many organizations use less than that on their administrative costs, allotting as close to 100% as possible for the needs of those they are designed to help. 

3 hours ago, Kienyui said:

When the lord shows a man mercy, he should not be tempted to think that his neighbor is lazy. There are people who fasted for days without hearing or encountering God while some were eating when Jesus visited them.  There is election by mercy. Most people think we have committed a sin when we ask for mercy.  The mercy of God is deeper than forgiveness(Psalm 102:13).

Man is but man, even the best of man is still man.  My prayer is always that “Oh lord show me mercy.” Many will call be names but they are not my God.

Psalm 119

41. Let thy mercies come also unto me, O LORD, even thy salvation, according to thy word.

77. Let thy tender mercies come unto me, that I may live: for thy law is my delight

156.  Great are thy tender mercies, O LORD: quicken me according to thy judgments.

Amen

 

Kienyui, anyone who tries to diminish what you are going through in your country, and the challenges many of you are facing is wrong. Indeed, our country hasn't had an all-out war on our soil, and we're very thankful for that. Yet, it's true that many who are struggling through this war in your country are doing their very best to make the whole world feel like they owe Cameroonians something above and beyond what is already being done by the organizations, churches, etc. that they give to. So, it's a catch-22. I'm going to be frank once again about what many are seeing and some have made mention to me about here...not just on onlinebaptist, but, on other sites you posted on....With all of the things you've posted, it often seems like you and others believe we owe you things that we cannot possibly provide. You've utilized as many sites as possible to try and garner sympathy, which you have. Nobody here is above having a heavy heart for what you're going through. But, as I stated, many of us give to organizations that are supposed to be assisting. We have no way of making this assistance go through if other parties are stopping the aid. The only thing we can do above and beyond is pray, and believe me, we do. But, in your posts you show a hopelessness and a lack of trust in the Lord. This makes it hard for others to want to do more if they can. It may or may not be the correct attitude to have, but, given the world's economic, mental, and spiritual status, it's nearly all some can muster. There are many sources seeking assistance and not enough people or money to help. Again, we ARE praying for you, but we would be remiss if we didn't point out that you've shown a lack of dependence on God through your postings. May God work on you and in you. We do care, my friend.

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Thank you @BrotherTony. I am not happy at anything but know that you actually spend so much time reading and replying to my post detailing every aspect of it. I am also happy to know how much you care.

Truly when I invaded the internet, I was fade up with life. My intention was to tell my story to who ever wanted to hear so that just maybe one or two could sympathize with me and help me out in my situation. Nomatter the resistance I met, I pushed very hard but yet it yield no fruit. 

I am not here to tell my story anymore. If I have survive from 2016 till date, it means that man up there cares. Despite the hunger, the sicknesses, the physical wounds, homelessness, he has always been there.

At some point in time I became a nuisance to Christian forum with incessant demands. I was champion of negativity and was ban in almost all the forums.

My writeup is another way of unleashing my frustration on the internet. Through the time I have been writing to Christian groups, I learned a lesson. It is not an obligation for Christians to help and fellow Christians. If they must do so, it is the willingness of the Christians and the conviction of the holy spirit.

You asked if I depend on the lord for food. Depending on the lord for food is as difficult as Mathew 19:24. If I am not working, will God send food from heaven? Absolutely no. God forgive me but I stole food at some point.

I live in a foreign community, my community was razed to ashes. I am in a community where the people are so hostile to strangers. Nomatter how much you try, they still hate to see you. A place without a home, a job. A place with zero tolerance.

I have heard of many assistance to those affected by the crisis but it all end it all condition offices while the masses continue to suffer. We are used here as slaves. We are force to work on their fields without payment and we have nowhere or no one to complain to.

I really will not want to tell my story further. I have been banned in several forums because of this. Except you permit me.

Permit we write when it is morning here. It is 11pm here and mosquitoes are following my torch light.  I live in an uncompleted building and light attracts mosquitoes.

Love and prayers

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When I had to take a membership class with the Pastor to join the local IFB church he said something that completely changed my thinking about how money is spent on local outreach.

Having attended churches prior with over 500 - 1500 members I felt like the larger churches were more "committed" to feeding the hungry and reaching the poor. It was common for them to either have food pantrys or contributed to another churches and were often large donors to local homeless shelters.

Since I was used that I sort developed a negative view of how smaller churches seemed to not have the same zeal in that area.Until the IFB Pastor brought up the criticism himself during class and explained to us that in his view the resources (or money) from the congregation had to go to poorer members of church as first it's first priority and once that has been taken care of then they will give what they can to help non members in the community.

You know it never occured to me how much influence a small IFB church can have on the community and the world by providing a K - 12 religious school until my kids went there. While feeding the hungry does plant spiritual seeds people don't care who is providing the meal when they are hungry or starving. But when a parent has the opportunity to have their children's taught conservative Christian theology and life principles those kids grow up and have the potential to change the world wherever they are present. So while they may not be able to provide as much money to local food banks they are still having huge impacts for the good now and in the future.

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