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9:38- And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.

"worshipped" taken from proskynéō – properly, to kiss the ground when prostrating before a superior.

God made him both Lord and Christ, so we'd do the same thing. DLNT

And the one said, “Master, I believe”, and prostrated-himself  before Him. - DLNT

 

And he said: I believe, Lord. And falling down, he adored him. - DRA

“Lord, I trust!” he said, and he kneeled down in front of him.- CJB

The man bowed in front of Jesus and said, “I believe, Lord.” -GW

 

 

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John 10:14- I am the good shepherd; I know my own and my own know me,

15- as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. 
16- And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd. 
17- For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life, that I may take it again. 
18- No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again; this charge I have received from my Father.”

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10:27- My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28- And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29- My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

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10:30- I and my Father are one.

31- Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32- Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33-The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God

(Which is how Trinitarians take this)

34- Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are Gods?

35- If he called them Gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

36- Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

10:37- If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38- But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

He (not THEY) is in all Christians.

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John12:28- Father, glorify thy name.

(WHAT is God's NAME?)

Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.

29-The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him

True of all REAL Christians~

John 12:44-  Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on Him that sent me.

45- And he that seeth me seeth Him that sent me.

[BrotherTony]

2 hours ago, Thinking said:

9:38- And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.

"worshipped" taken from proskynéō – properly, to kiss the ground when prostrating before a superior.

God made him both Lord and Christ, so we'd do the same thing. DLNT

And the one said, “Master, I believe”, and prostrated-himself  before Him. - DLNT

 

And he said: I believe, Lord. And falling down, he adored him. - DRA

“Lord, I trust!” he said, and he kneeled down in front of him.- CJB

The man bowed in front of Jesus and said, “I believe, Lord.” -GW

 

 

ALL Scripture posted here is to be from the KJV...you need to check the forum rules.

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11 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

ALL Scripture posted here is to be from the KJV...you need to check the forum rules.

That WAS from the KJV.

12:49- For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

50- And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

 

Jesus was a Messager/Angel of God.

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John 13:31- Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.

32- If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

It's the KJV- what  can I say.....

John 14:1-Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

Belief is Christ is separate from belief in God! 

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14:6- Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

7- If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Where, O where, is the Holy 'Ghost'?

John 14:9- Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

10- Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11- Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Has Thomas seen the Holy 'GHOST'?

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14:13- And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Would the Holy 'Ghost' be glorified, also?

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John 14:16- And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17- Even the spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

20-  At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

21-He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

26- But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

 

Now, does God send a THIRD God, or One of Them referred to as "he"(eveivoc)? 

STRONGS NT 1565: ἐκεῖνος

ἐκεῖνος, ἐκείνῃ, ἐκεῖνο (from ἐκεῖ, properly, the one there, cf. German dortig,derdort), demonstrative pronoun, that man, woman, thing (Latinille,illa,illud); properly of persons, things, times, places somewhat remote from the speaker.

1. used absolutely,

a. in antithesis, referring to the more remote subject: opposed to οὗτος, Luke 18:14; James 4:15; ὑμῖν ... ἐκείνοις, Matthew 13:11; Mark 4:11; ἐκεῖνοι ... ἡμεῖς, Hebrews 12:25; ἄλλοι ... ἄλλοι ... ἐκεῖνος, John 9:9; ἐκεῖνον ... ἐμέ, John 3:30; οἱ Ἰουδαῖοι ... ἐκεῖνος δέ, John 2:20f; ὁ μέν κύριος Ἰησοῦς (R G T omit Ἰησοῦς WH Tr marginal reading brackets) ... ἐκεῖνοι δέ, Mark 16:19f, etc.

b. of noted persons (as in classic Greek): in a bad sense, that notorious man, John 7:11; John 9:28; in a good sense — of the Lord Jesus, 1 John 2:6; 1 John 3:3, 5, 7, 16; 1 John 4:17; of the Holy Spirit, with an apposition added, ἐκεῖνος, τό πνεῦμα τῆς ἀληθείας, John 16:13.

c. referring to a noun immediately preceding, he, she, it, (Latinis,ea,id, German selbiger John 7:45; John 5:46; Mark 16:11; Acts 3:13, etc.; cf. Winers Grammar, § 23, 1; (Buttmann, 104 (91). Here perhaps may be noticed its use together with αὐτός of the same subject in the same sentence: ἐζωγρημένοι ὑπ' αὐτοῦ (i. e. the devil) εἰς τό ἐκείνου θέλημα, 2 Timothy 2:26; cf. Thucydides 1, 132, 6; 4, 29, 3; Xenophon, Cyril 4, 5, 20; see Riddell, the Apology of Plato, Appian, § 49; Kühner, § 467, 12; cf. ζωγρέω 2); equivalent to an emphatic (German er) he, etc., Matthew 17:27; John 1:8; John 5:43; Titus 3:7; equivalent to the forcibly uttered German der (that one etc.), in which sense it serves to recall and lay stress upon nouns just before used (cf. our resumptive the same; Winer's Grammar, § 23, 4): John 1:18; John 5:39; John 12:48; John 14:26; John 15:26; especially is it thus resumptive of a subject expressed participially (Buttmann, 306 (262f)): Mark 7:15 (T WH omit; Tr brackets the pronoun), Mark 7:20; John 1:33; John 9:37 (ἐκεῖνος ἐστιν, namely, ὁ υἱός τοῦ Θεοῦ, see εἰμί, II. 5); John 10:1; John 14:21; Romans 14:14; 2 Corinthians 10:18; (Xenophon, Cyril 6, 2, 33 ὁ γάρ λογχην ἀκονων, ἐκεῖνος καί τήν ψυχήν τί παρακονα).

 

So, there's a great play on meanings in the Koine Greek; it can refer to a person OR THING.

And we all know what the Church Dogma will choose!

BUT, MANY translations leave off the "he", surprisingly!

14:31- But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

Who can give God a command?

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John 15:9- As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

10- If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

 

God gave His angel (messenger) commands.

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15:21- But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not Him that sent me.

15:23- He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

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John 16:3- And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

And, obviously, your Holy 'GHOST'....

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16:7- Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. -KJV

"him/it" in the Greek

 

16:10- because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more.

No 'Holy Ghost' mentioned. I wonder why.