Can a Christian be a Liberal Voter?

Wickedness is 'normal' in society.

Even if ALL the righteous saints voted,  they would be totally overwhelmed by the wicked,

just as always,  when /if/ voting is how someone is put in office.

Long, long ago,  we learned no one's vote counts.

Even if or when it 'counted',  the wicked were much more numerous, so they won,  each and every time,   almost.

But God the Almighty Says Clearly HE IS THE ONE,  HE raises up Kings and Princes and Presidents and Leaders,  and HE brings them down.   (i.e. not voting)

If someone wants to vote,  does it matter?   If they trust man's ways,  it does, it counts against them.

If they trust the Heavenly Father,   they don't worry or even think about voting.

The Heavenly Father placed Trump first,   and Biden now,  in place.   For His Own Purpose. (not by man's power or will)

37 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

What did Jesus teach?

1. Go the second mile.
2. Give the coat off your back to someone in need.
3. Visit the sick.
4. Give to the hungry.
5. Give drink to the thirsty.
6. Visit those in prison.
7. Love your enemies.
8. Do good to those who persecute you.
9. Do to others as you want them to do to you.

Pretty liberal as opposed to what conservatives stances on how we treat others.

We are to do those 9 things but that's not all:

Psalm 2 1Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

3Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

Why do the heathen want to "break our bands asunder" and "cast away" our cords? Remember a man named Stephen? When he preached to some "raging heathens" they became so enraged that they violently murdered him. And he was full of the Spirit of God. We are also here to be filled with the Holy Ghost as Stephen was and what is one thing the Holy Ghost does? He "reproves the World of sin, righteousness and judgement to come". We are to call sin sin. For example: murdering babies in the womb. Democrats or anyone else who advocates for that by voting or otherwise is a member of the wicked "raging heathen" crowd. That is NOT "liberal": the Bible speaks well of "liberal souls" but the Bible word "liberal" appears to mean something way different from what we call "liberal" today.

Here is the objective view of the lies "religious liberals" promote. By the way, I don't vote and am of no satanic political party but I certainly have eyes to see and ears to hear. 

Religious liberals can fool others and even themselves but never God whom searches the thoughts and intents of every heart.

The "religious liberal" has been indoctrinated into a Godless and fake morality that does nothing for the poor except use and enslave them. This kind gaslights others with a false "christ" and false "gospel" borne of reprobate minds. It frees no one from sin but rather condemns them by promoting the Godlessness of sexual depravity, child rape and murder and the worship of satan's governments over all else. 

Their "gospel" message is anti Christ.

God prophesied of these end days "liberals" as churls whom devise wicked things to enslave and destroy the poor: They pretend to do the work of God with their welfare programs. Instead of teaching the poor how to be self sufficient, they teach them to hate those who are and then hands them scraps of bread in exchange for their eternal souls. Unless the religious liberal repents and obeys the true Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ they will be sentenced to extreme torment in the Lake of Fire for the wickedness they have willingly participated in and the souls they have ruined.

Isaiah 32: [5] The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful.
[6] For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.
[7] The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.
[8] But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.

Our Lord describes them again the New Testament:

2Tim.3: [1] This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. [2] For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, [3] Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, [4] Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; [5] Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. [6] For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, [7] Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
[8] Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. [9] But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

Best get on the right side of God's real History because He is coming back very soon and He will show no mercy this time.

On 7/18/2021 at 3:52 AM, Bouncing Bill said:

 A liberal soul that practices the teaching of Christ will be considered a liberal person by conservatives as they will not do those things. Just look at what the GOP preaches. There is little or nothing of Christ's teaching in their stances.

 

A Christian may vote for a "conservative" candidate and he may also do things like driving a car, eating pizza and putting his pants on one leg at a time. Just because a "Conservative" does the same things(which he does), doesn't make him a Christian. The question was "can a Christian be a liberal voter?" and I still say "no"; not if he is in his right mind he can't.

On 7/19/2021 at 4:05 PM, Bouncing Bill said:

If you look at the Final Judgment you see that what is advocated are those ideas which conservatives oppose as liberal.

Please expound

@Bouncing BillWho is Jesus talking to in Matt 25?

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3 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

 ³⁵ For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, ³⁶ I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’

Conservatives politicians almost always oppose any new or the improvement of programs in any of these areas. 

Trump budget proposals threatened to take away nutrition services for poor women and their children.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/16/trump-budget-wic-women-infants-children-nutrition

Once they had control of Congress Republicans made cuts to WIC.

In 2020 Republican politicians opposed improvements to the Food Stamp Program.

https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-lawmaker-conaway-republicans-food-stamps-coronavirus-government-dependency-2020-5

A number of GOP controlled states cut emergency food assistance programs making it harder for the people in need to receive services.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/06/18/republican-states-restrict-snap-food-assistance-usda/

I agree with the title of the article entitled, "Christians Cannot Serve Both God and the GOP

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/459296-christians-cannot-serve-both-god-and-the-gop

I won't quote from the article but believe you will ead the entire article. As Matther 2:26 says a Christian cannot serve God and mammon.

We cannot serve to masters, God and the GOP. We serve one or the other as they are incompatible in their goals concerning people. 

Scripture on serving two masters,

https://biblereasons.com/serving-two-masters/

And, remember the story of the rich man and Lazarus. 

The examples above are not exhaustive, but representative. 

Now, I am not saying that the Democrats are shining lights of virtue. But their policies on helping people come closer to Christ's teachings than the GOP stances. And, I am not saying that people do not abuse the system. That will always happen. But, in my own personal life if I help someone and they abuse that help that is on their head, not mine. 

I also realize that is preachers began preaching God over mammon, really preaching it they would be fired. This puts the pastor in a very difficult position. An extremely wise preacher might be able to gradually move his congregation away from mammon. It would be very difficult and would take a long time. 

So, I do not necessarily vote for a party. I vote for the person whom I believe will most likely support programs that help people as taught by Jesus. I know many will disagree with me.

 

The problem with your premise, BB, is that it's not the GOVERNMENTS place to be doing these things. It's the church and the Christians place to be doing them! Being conservative or liberal has nothing to do with it, PERIOD! Christ doesn't say the government should be doing these things, nor do we find that government should be doing it ANYWHERE in Scripture. 

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35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’

40 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

I do not see that Matt. 25 has any bearing on this topic. Enlighten me. But, I see it that the ten wise virgins were prepared to meet Christ the unwise ones were not. It has nothing, IMHO, about material possessions. It is a parable and oil is a metaphor for being prepared. 

With all due respect, sometimes I wonder if all you do is google answers then copy and paste. Are your reply's you or someone else on the internet? You are telling me that Matt 25 has nothing to do with this topic when you are the one who quoted from Matt 25. 

When I asked for you to expound on your statement, you then quoted Matthew 25:35-36. Then I ask you who Matthew 25 is referring to, and your reply was you don't see that Matt 25 has any bearing with this topic?

I'm curious, are you aware what you are copying and pasting?  I'm asking in all honesty and sincerity as it will help me in the future to understand your replies.

9 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

The problem with your premise, BB, is that it's not the GOVERNMENTS place to be doing these things. It's the church and the Christians place to be doing them! Being conservative or liberal has nothing to do with it, PERIOD! Christ doesn't say the government should be doing these things, nor do we find that government should be doing it ANYWHERE in Scripture. 

I was going to get into that after he answers why he said that the Bible verse he quoted has no bearing in this topic.  I'm very confused.

4 minutes ago, PastorMatt said:

With all due respect, sometimes I wonder if all you do is google answers then copy and paste. Are your reply's you or someone else on the internet? You are telling me that Matt 25 has nothing to do with this topic when you are the one who quoted from Matt 25. 

When I asked for you to expound on your statement, you then quoted Matthew 25:35-36. Then I ask you who Matthew 25 is referring to, and your reply was you don't see that Matt 25 has any bearing with this topic?

I'm curious, are you aware what you are copying and pasting?  I'm asking in all honesty and sincerity as it will help me in the future to understand your replies.

I was going to get into that after he answers why he said that the Bible verse he quoted has no bearing in topic.  I'm very confused.

As am I. It seems like evasiveness on BB's part, or just plain forgetfulness. That's not meant to be a slam, just an honest observation. Matthew 25 has a lot to do with it, IMHO. 

BB, we're waiting for intelligent responses from you, not just google search answers. Most of the things you're posting are liberal drivel. I see no conservative websites, so I can only take it that you're a liberal apologist in spite of the claims of your working in the ministry in the past I'm not saying you're not telling the truth, but, I am saying that I can't see how we're reading the same Bible or serving the same Lord.

26 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

On Matt. 25, I thought you were referring to the ten virgins. Please let me know what verses you are wanting to know about. 

Would it not make sense to me to refer to the verses you were quoting, where I quoted you? Nobody that I can see mentioned the 10 virgins but you. In all sincerity, do you know what verses you are copying and pasting? If you need help navigating here I can help you if needed.  

**Edited to add if you scroll up you can see that you copied and pasted Matt 25:35-36 so naturally that's what my reply was, who is Matthew 25 talking to?

Brother, you must be confused. We're talking about the verses you copied and pasted regarding liberal voting which leads to government control when voting. That my friend is right on topic. 

You quoted Matt 25 and I asked who that chapter was referring to (because that is important in voting decisions) in which you said that chapter has no bearing on this topic. Soooooo.......

10 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

I would appreciate it if you would answer my questions instead of finding new rabbit tracks to misdirect the discussion.

 Please don't create a problem and then try to be the solution.

6 minutes ago, PastorMatt said:

Would not make sense to me to refer to the verses you were quoting, where I quoted you? In all sincerity, do you know what verses you are copying and pasting? 

4 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

I would appreciate it if you would answer my questions instead of finding new rabbit tracks to misdirect the discussion. 

Interesting complaint.  Bouncing Bill in one of your previous postings above, approximately an hour ago, you stated the following:

1 hour ago, Bouncing Bill said:

I do not see that Matt. 25 has any bearing on this topic. Enlighten me. (emboldening added by Pastor Scott Markle)

As an outside reader, it appears to me that Brother Matt has been attempting to "enlighten you" ever since, just as you yourself requested.  Yet now you complain that his very attempt to "enlighten you" (as per your own request) is somehow not answering your questions, but pursuing misdirecting "rabbit tracks."

Here then is the primary flow of thought in the most immediate discussion above:

Your statement -

On 7/19/2021 at 4:05 PM, Bouncing Bill said:

If you look at the Final Judgment you see that what is advocated are those ideas which conservatives oppose as liberal. So, if the Final Judgment is liberal, then count me in with Christ. 

Brother Matt's request (which actually means that this most immediate discussion is supposed to be about you, Bouncing Bill, answering HIS request) -

12 hours ago, PastorMatt said:

Please expound

The opening Biblical quotation in your response to Brother Matt, which is a quotation from Matthew 25:35-36 (although NOT from the King James translation), and which does indeed reference the "Final Judgment" as per your reference above (although it is NOT actually the FINAL judgment) -

4 hours ago, Bouncing Bill said:

 ³⁵ For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, ³⁶ I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’

 

To which quotation Brother Matt asked another question (which means that once again you, Bouncing Bill, are supposed to be answering HIS question) -

2 hours ago, PastorMatt said:

@Bouncing BillWho is Jesus talking to in Matt 25?

Yet you then responded with the following -

1 hour ago, Bouncing Bill said:

I do not see that Matt. 25 has any bearing on this topic. Enlighten me.

Thus Brother Matt has been expressing his confusion.  You, Bouncing Bill, presented Matthew 25:35-36 as Biblical evidence for your position, but then state that you do not see how Matthew 25 has any bearing on the topic.  Then why did you quote Matthew 25:35-36 as evidence for your position?  That is now Brother Matt's confusion and request. -

1 hour ago, PastorMatt said:

With all due respect, sometimes I wonder if all you do is google answers then copy and paste. Are your reply's you or someone else on the internet? You are telling me that Matt 25 has nothing to do with this topic when you are the one who quoted from Matt 25. 

When I asked for you to expound on your statement, you then quoted Matthew 25:35-36. Then I ask you who Matthew 25 is referring to, and your reply was you don't see that Matt 25 has any bearing with this topic?

I'm curious, are you aware what you are copying and pasting?  I'm asking in all honesty and sincerity as it will help me in the future to understand your replies.

I was going to get into that after he answers why he said that the Bible verse he quoted has no bearing in this topic.  I'm very confused.

10 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

The problem is, as I see it, the continued refusal of answer questions and the continued finding ways to ignore the real topic. 

By the way, I am quite busy indexing a book with a short turn-around time. So I will not be replying quickly.  In case you are curious the title of the book is, Basic Audiometric Learning Manual. 3rd edition. 

Now who's deflecting? 

There's an undeniable fact of life that I learned from El Rushbo, liberals are liberals first.

If they are a doctor or policeman or call themselves a Christian, when their ideological views are challenged, they do an about face and fall back onto liberal beliefs.   

Liberalism is an emotional pursuit.  Liberalism is the default position of the ignorant.  One doesn’t have to do anything to be a liberal.  As part of original sin every child begins life as little liberal narcissistic sociopaths as the “terrible twos” bear witness to.  Toddlers instinctively know how to lie, cheat, manipulate and do the meanest things to get what they want.
    Liberalism creates a bubble, an alternative reality based on how the liberal wants to see the world, not based on reality, to shield itself from alternative viewpoints.
    In rebellion against God, the liberal’s life is destructive by nature for their god is their belly as the liberal lives a life of materialism.  Not grounded in biblical principles, un-disciplined in thought and possessing non-contiguous beliefs the liberal’s viewpoint is easily swayed not by logic, which the bubble blocks out, but by emotion.
 

On 8/30/2020 at 1:02 PM, Bouncing Bill said:

If churches and individuals were doing what they should there would be no need for government programs. 

Right on for followers of Jesus - wherever they are found and true,  not one among them has a need not met (food, clothes, shelter,  healing (when possible, God WIlling) .  

The government programs are still needed though for the rich.  That is how they increase their riches manifold (millions times millions these days) and maintain and grow in power and control. 

Yes, for the poor also - the secular poor.   They do not have Christ nor hope in the world, and need government programs to just survive and get barely extreme basics (or less than half the basics,  of food and medicine and diapers and so on).  (Government programs have been set to provide half or less of a person's or a family's needs,  according to social workers administering the programs,  previous to the year 2000 at least.  Since then, and in the now and future, some programs may provide an abundance ($1000.00 to $3000.00 per month) to individuals or families and call it "common income" (some countries already have been doing this for years) ,

in line with the coming mark of the beast.  People worldwide and in usa have been conditioned to accept it,  and many already agree to let government meet their needs instead of God.

Note though,  that foreign camps in the usa,  areas of one nationality ,  often do without government help.   They have done this for over a century -  they work hard, as taught all their life, and they work TOGETHER,  HELPING ONE ANOTHER, so if one falls,  the others are their to help hold them up.    One 'fact' (not verified per se) seen the 60's through the 90's was that almost no one from several other countries was on government assistance in the usa - they had large families, strong communities,  and succeeded often in work and community.  Many of them not at all Christian nor serving God but serving idols,  but they had "a village" often with strong family ties going back hundreds or maybe thousands of years.  Again, this did not at all make them 'saved',  and might even make it more difficult to be saved eternally , to turn to the Father for His Kingdom is near/at hand/  because to do so requires breaking their strong family allegiances and community rules and standards.

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Good Post Bill !

On 8/30/2020 at 4:49 AM, Bouncing Bill said:

 

start quote:

"What did he tell the rich young ruler? Wasn't that wealth redistribution?

What are we told in Matthew about the final judgement? From Matthew:

I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you gave me of me, I was in prison and you visited me.

"If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered." -Proverbs 21:13

"Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy." -Proverbs 31:8-9

"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money." -Matthew 6:24

"Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.'" -Matthew 19:23-24

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'" -Matthew 25:41-45

"He who mocks the poor shows contempt for their Maker; whoever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished." -Proverbs 17:5

"He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich--both come to poverty." -Proverbs 22:16

"Jesus answered, 'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'" -Matthew 19:21

"He who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who closes his eyes to them receives many curses." -Proverbs 28:27

"People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs." -1 Timothy 6:9-10

"Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life." -1 Timothy 6:17-19

On 7/7/2021 at 6:06 PM, heartstrings said:

Proverbs 29: 2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

Psalm 12:8 The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.

 

I just can't believe that a righteous(someone who is saved) person (other than one with some kind of dementia) would vote for wicked people like Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Hillary, Nancy Pelosi, AOC, etc.

No, but even out of that 5%(or less) I can't see any supporting a wicked person like Biden or Harris or any of that bunch. They would have to be demented or seriously "backslid".

There are those that cannot see, many Christians. Those that hate Trump for he is not perfect, they voted for Biden. Trump was the best choice for his time 4 years only, for he did his duty on making Jerusalem the Capital of Israel. The Liberals here are turning America into Europe. We are living in trouble time, are people seeking God today in fear of COVID? Not at all, cold hearts.

I wonder how those Christians that voted for the liberal party are feeling today.