Jerry

Funny, my link was to some videos (yes, there is a book on that page as well, but why not address what is actually posted?). You want us to accept YOUR WRITINGS, but then you rebuke us because we refer to someone else's writings. Isn't that a little hypocritical on your part? A book (writings, teachings) by man is not wrong in itself. What matters is if it lines up with God's Word or not. David Cloud's book and videos referred to above do, but yours do not.

Well, Rich, enjoy your very brief time here. With that haughty spirit, you will not fit in very well. It is obvious you are not here to fellowship with us but to show the world how you are right and everyone else is wrong. 1 Corinthians 8:1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. Proverbs 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. As far as only part of the tribulation being a time of God's wrath, you are dead wrong. God says all of it is. There is more to this passage, but this is the part that is applicable. Compare this with Luke 21 - it is speaking of the same time period, yet over and over Isaiah says it is the day of the Lord and the time of God's wrath - all seven years: Isaiah 13:6-13 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty. Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt: And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames. Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir. Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

Yes, even if this show never directly presents false teachings about Jesus, there is still the possibility that people will presume that what is presented is Biblical fact/truth. I wondered if he was related. It seems like he is following in the ecumenical footsteps of his father (who portrayed the Pope as saved in that series), AND taking it further by yoking up with Mormons and other groups.

That's a good one. Truly, I always focus on Jeremiah's situation, but never on the person who helped him (except in a general sense). Here is a neat study of a type found in that passage: https://ewministries.earnestlycontending.com/sinking-in-the-mire/

How can Jesus rule and reign from Jerusalem for those 1000 years (which many passages teach) without coming to earth? Sorry, you missed the boat. It is one thing to reject traditions that contradict the Bible, it is another thing to reject clear Bible teaching for your own opinions. Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. That's the millennium. Quite clearly states Jesus is on the earth reigning for those 1000 years. That means His second coming comes BEFORE the millennium (otherwise referred to as Pre-millennium), and based on the book of Revelation itself all seven years of the Tribulation (found in chapters 6-19) comes before that point.

For those who want a Biblical look at some things about the rapture, and how the Bible teaches it as Pre-Trib (showing the distinction between the rapture and the second coming), there are two videos in this series that cover it somewhat: Bible Prophecy as Light on the 21st Centurey (wayoflife.org)

Sureword, why are you bringing in an argument from another thread that was locked (P.S. you never answered my questions in that thread either, just stated I am wrong)? That is not the purpose of this thread - and it truly was created to clarify KJV Biblical usage of that word today (ie. in our speaking about Bible passages today - Is it unbiblical to speak of Jesus and the apostles casting out demons, or should we be saying casting out devils). I am learning Koine Greek - mostly vocabulary at this point - though I do want to learn all about the verb tenses, etc. Therefore it is not an impossibly language for people to learn today. I have never corrected the King James Bible, never intend to (and those who have known me on these boards for approximately 22 years or so - cannot remember exactly when the first Online Baptist site started with Matt and Ben - can certainly testify to that), and I have never gone to the underlying Hebrew or Greek (or any tools based on them) to correct the English of my King James Bible. It is one thing to differ with another person on these boards over a word definition and that word's usage throughout the Bible (which is your issue here - though you have not shown me where I was wrong and how your definition/usage of that word fits that passage and answers my questions**), and quite another thing to correct the English of my Bible - which I have never done. **And no, do not debate that here (that is not the purpose of this thread). I am just stating the issue is not resolved - you just disagree with my understanding of that verse, and you have not convinced me otherwise.

Maybe I shouldn't start a thread until I do more research as I often seem to find answers I am searching and typing things out (though sometimes at first I can't seem to find the right words or terms for a search, hence the start of a thread). There are five passages that use the underlying Greek word daimon (g1142): Matthew 8:31; Mark 5:12l Luke 8:29; Revelation 16:14 and 18:2 - all translated as "devils" and once as "the devil." Another related word is g1139 (daimonizomai), translated 13 times as "possessed with devils" (or the devil), "vexed with a devil", or some form of these, and John 10:21 has "hath a devil." It is interesting to note that even though the underlying word in 18 cases is a form of the word daimon/daimonizomai), nowhere in the King James Bible is it translated as demon or demon possessed, implying perhaps 400 years ago these words had a different meaning in English than the NT Greek uses.

Not trying to rehash another debate here, but in another thread we were discussing devils - and I know in light of modern versions, many call fallen angels demons. The KJV uses devils, evil spirits, and possibly other terms (it has been soooo long since I studied this out). Is the Greek word for demon used anywhere in the Textus Receptus? The underlying word for Devil/Devil is diabolos (slanderer, accuser - which is what the fallen angels are to us, especially their leader, the Devil - Satan means adversary). I want to be Biblical in my language and I have found that here and there I also refer to demons in regards to Bible passages - but I want to clarify if that is unbliblical (in light of the KJV and the Textus Receptus - I do not care how other manuscripts or Bible versions use this term). As I type this, I remember years ago reading some critiques of modern versions that their use of the term demons is bad because a demon is basically a demi-God (half man, half demon or god). Webster's 1828 Dictionary has this definition: DEMON, n. A spirit, or immaterial being, holding a middle place between men and the celestial deities of the Pagans. The ancients believed that there were good and evil demons, which had influence over the minds of men, and that these beings carried on an intercourse between men and gods, conveying the addresses of men to the gods, and divine benefits to men. Hence demons became the objects of worship. It was supposed also that human spirits, after their departure from the body, became demons, and that the souls of virtuous men, if highly purified, were exalted from demons into gods. The demons of the New Testament were supposed to be spiritual beings which vexed and tormented men. And in general , the word, in modern use, signifies an evil spirit or genius, which influences the conduct or directs the fortunes of mankind. Based on this and his definition for devils, it is obvious he believes the word demons should be used in the NT and not devils (but that is his opinion, and not relevant here).

Those are all good examples. Recently I was speaking with a friend about Mary of Bethany (Martha and Lazarus' sister) who broke the alabaster box of spikenard ointment over Christ's head and feet and anointed Him with her hair six days before the Passover. Three of the Gospels contain the story of this account (Matthew 26:6-13; Mark 14:1-9; John 12:1-8). Charles Spurgeon brings out seven interesting things about what Mary did, and contrasted what she did with what the sinner/woman in Luke 7:36-50 did. This sermon is worth reading and blessed me. It is #1834, To Lovers of Jesus - An Example. Most Bible programs would probably have it, especially Swordsearcher. This link will also take you to a pdf of the sermon online (so you can read it online or add it to your ebook reader if you find that easier than reading in a Bible program). chs1834.pdf (spurgeongems.org)

Continuing in prayer.

How about the boy who gave his lunch to Andrew and Jesus used it to feed the 5000 men (plus women and children). John 6:8-9 One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, saith unto him, There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves, and two small fishes: but what are they among so many?

You're a hoot! You knock me for my position, then you say basically the same thing - but you don't even define or fit the term to the passage at all.

So if it is not a spiritual description of Judas, what does it mean? It certainly cannot mean he himself is a real/physical fallen angel - BECAUSE the Bible teaches that he became possessed by the Devil the night he betrayed the Lord Jesus Christ. Unless you have some new doctrine teaching demons can be possessed by demons - that is a new one to me. And do you also believe that Peter was literally turned into Satan when Jesus said, Get thee behind me, Satan"? Matthew 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

This is just meant for a little bit of fellowship. What are a couple of Bible characters you can think of that were not “main Bible characters” (and by that I mean ones that you only come across once or only a few times in the Bible) that did something - usually as a result of their faith - but now it is recorded forever in God's Word as a testimony to them? A friend and I were talking recently about Mary of Bethany who broke the alabaster box and anointed Jesus' head and feet with the precious ointment. She is only mentioned on three separate occasions (not counting parallel passages). I don't want to take all the easy ones, but here are three that came to my mind a few minutes ago: Simon of Cyrene who carried Jesus' cross. Later some of his children get saved. The woman with the issue of blood for 12 years who pressed through the crowd to touch Jesus, and was healed. The Roman Centurion who believed Jesus could heal his servant from a distance. Matthew 8:8-10 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

So, he is a literal fallen angel - that got possessed by a fallen angel the night he betrayed Christ. That's a new one I never heard before. How do you fit this verse in about Judas? Mark 14:21 The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born. Fallen angels were all created by the Lord God before they fell, then they chose to follow Lucifer - they were never BORN.

Why can't you clarify what you believe in regards to Acts 2:38 and the gospel today? It would potentially end all my main disagreements with you, or I would realize I was wrong in what I thought you believe. Either way, it solves an issue on these boards, and gives me a better idea how to deal with you spiritually. For the record, I do not believe baptism plays any part in salvation. It is the first step of obedience to Christ for a new believer, picturing the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. It has no saving merit at all, but is an identification with Christ and a public profession of your faith in Him.

Seeing as you brought it up, can you please clarify your stand on Acts 2:38 as it relates to the Gospel today?

From Genesis itself, we know the primary reason the cities of Sodom and those around it were destroyed was because of their abominable immorality. This verse in Ezekiel comes close to 1500 years later, and is God giving us more info about those cities and the nature of their inhabitants. For those who hate the Bible exposing their sin and latch onto that verse, it is really ignorant on their part because then they are saying God never gave a reason to any of His people why He destroyed those cities for 1500 years - not even to Moses who gave the Law to God's people. That is a pretty big stretch. God lets His people know why He chastizes them and lets them know why He judges those cities and nations around the Israelites. How can His people avoid judgement if they were never given a reason or warnings against those abominable sins? Then in Ezekiel God gives us further information that shows the corruption of the society that tolerated or participated in the sodomy, incest, and possibly other sexual sins.

Aside from the sodomy and other immorality going on, Ezekiel also says this: Ezekiel 16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

I am sure that will also be true in the end times as it has been since David wrote that Psalm 3000 years ago, but unless I am mistaken, he is asking what the Bible says about the end times, what comes next Biblically?

Sorry, I missed the verse in the title of this thread when I read the opening thread (when I clicked on the title I was thinking "John 11:54" was the name of the poster because the verse was not actually quoted or referred to in the first post - sorry). Yes, it looks like His ministry was to His disciples after that point in time.

Yes, he is a devil in the sense that I defined above - which is the Biblical definition of the word. But that doesn't make either of those two preacher's opinions or positions right. Strong's Concordance gives this definition and the ways it is translated: a traducer; specially, Satan:—false accuser, devil, slanderer. The same Greek word is used in these passages as well: 1 Timothy 3:11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

Yes, His final week was spent between Bethany and Jerusalem.

Very open ended question. That is just one of the signs of the time - something that will be ongoing until the return of the Lord Jesus Christ. I would add to that the great falling away in modern Christendom; the rise of false signs and wonders; the increase of false teachers and false brethren; many in modern "Christendom" professing to be saved/know the Saviour, but denying the power thereof; and like Revelation three reveals, an endtime church that in many cases in lukewarm - neither directly for or against Christ, but somewhere warm and blechy in the middle. But on another related note: with Russia starting wars, and getting upset at Israel for their occupation (I think that is the term) of the Golan Heights, we could very well see the war of Gog and Magog in Ezekiel 38-39 if Russia and its allies chooses to rise against Israel. This war is believed by many true Christians to be what opens the door to the Antichrist rising in power and making his seven year peace treaty with Israel, AND therefore the rapture would be just before or just after this war - at least prior to the Antichrist rising into worldwide power.