Christian leaders threaten civil disobedience if Supreme Court legalizes sodomite marriage

[Potatochip]

Frankly,  I wonder who anoints who as a "Christian leader".  I am not talking about the politicians here that are involved in this.  To me they have that right.  But by the Bible.  National Religious Broadcasters president Jerry Johnson, Pastor John Hagee, and Franklin Graham.  Not to mention the RCC people.  Who anointed them, Fox?   Now these guys just might show up everywhere.  As my spokesman.  lol.  I don't need a spokesman.  The Bible says it.  Now they are going to get on there and try convince people that don't know the things of God.  With the natural mind.  About the things of God.  Its like hitting a brick wall.  In my opinion.  Pastors trying to Pastor a "Christian America".   All kinds of books and dvd's will be sold no doubt.  Possibly the outrage will draw Catholics and Scriptural people closer in unity. Fighting the outrage.   Ignoring the fact of fallen man and a fallen world.  Which to me can never be straightened out.  Salvation is the only way.

 

Ephesians 6:12 King James Version (KJV)

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places

 

"Church's" that depend on works for salvation.  Will drag you into this stuff.  With moral outrage and anger.  Quicker than you can blink.  The "church's" that do not believe in salvation by faith.  Believe in salvation by works. (How can a "church" RCC that's the well part of the cause be part of the cure?  It doesn't make sense.)  It's always good to see and know who your running with.  Me.  I preach the Gospel.  Christ crucified.  Some people think the Popes a great guy.  Catholics think fighting in the social arena is how they get to Heaven.  They also think getting you involved.  To help them win.  Helps them to get into Heaven.  You might want to take note of that.

 

On the other hand.  Addressing what's going on.  I really wonder if all of this isn't the result of atheism in schools and evolution, partly.  That's been going on for some time now.  Some people don't know that I guess.  That stuff is pure poison.  Take a look at kid's schoolbooks.  They better answer correctly on their tests.  I would guess.  What I mean is God hands people over to being a sodomite.  I have to wonder since the powers that be are ordained of God.  That just maybe because God let's.  That this all isn't about what Americans wanted with the idolatry of porn and such.  Choosing idols over Him.  If the door is just isn't open wider.  I don't know but I wonder.

 

 

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/04/28/will-not-obey-christian-leaders-threaten-civil-disobedience-if-supreme-court/?intcmp=latestnews

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 29, 2015 by Potatochip

[1Timothy115]

I'm certainly thankful you brought this to my attention. I would have most likely not seen it if not for your post. I'm praying for God's direction and I made a copy of the 'Pledge' and will discuss it with my pastor this evening.

My belief concerning same sex marriage is based on Ephesians 5:23-32. Marriage is given by God as a picture of my Savior's relationship to his church (we who trust and believe him). The attack on marriage, through same sex marriage, is a further attempt by Satan and unwittingly by those lost in Satan's grasp, to denigrate Christ and this sacred relationship. The result is, I can do no more than offer Christ to the homosexual for victory over the sin. However, I can by no means stand idly by without opposition to this sin on the basis of the scripture I mentioned. If others have taken a stand against this blatant attack against Christ and the Church, it is long overdue.

Thanks Potatochip!

Edited April 29, 2015 by 1Timothy115

[Potatochip]

I'm certainly thankful you brought this to my attention. I would have most likely not seen it if not for your post. I'm praying for God's direction and I made a copy of the 'Pledge' and will discuss it with my pastor this evening.

My belief concerning same sex marriage is based on Ephesians 5:23-32. Marriage is given by God as a picture of my Savior's relationship to his church (we who trust and believe him). The attack on marriage, through same sex marriage, is a further attempt by Satan and unwittingly by those lost in Satan's grasp, to denigrate Christ and this sacred relationship. The result is, I can do no more than offer Christ to the homosexual for victory over the sin. However, I can by no means stand idly by without opposition to this sin on the basis of the scripture I mentioned. If others have taken a stand against this blatant attack against Christ and the Church, it is long overdue.

Thanks Potatochip!

​Thank you,  It must be very difficult for people that have children and  kin.  To live through this.  Its kind of a trial in a way I guess.  It's certainly is a very serious matter.  To tell you the truth.  1Timothy.  It's highly disturbing.  A lot of people think that way.  I don't find fault with Scriptural Christians at all.  Because I know they pray against such.  I just wonder if a large section of America hasn't fallen to well a very bad state.  Just reaping what was sown.

[1Timothy115]

To tell you the truth.  1Timothy. 

Today my pastor provided what I thought was a very profound statement... "I'd rather be true than tolerant."

In Sunday School this morning we studied in 3 John and the following two verses seem to have a clear relevance regarding this thread.
 

3 John 1:3 For I rejoiced greatly, when the brethren came and testified of the truth that is in thee, even as thou walkest in the truth.
3 John 1:4 I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.

Then we have the following two quotes from another thread by two teachers from diverse points of view but who provide some insight into this thread.

Rubbish. Our beliefs are justified by Scripture, certainly NOT by Jesuit writings. I've never read any Jesuit writings, and I doubt if anyone on the forum has. 

RC's are not 100% wrong in their basic doctrine, so teaching partial Preterism does not make that doctrine wrong. Likewise futurism, baptism of converts, the Trinity, virgin birth, heaven, etc. 

Doctrines must be tested by Scripture, NOT by who taught them.                                Ian (Covenanter)

 

(quoting Ian above) "Doctrines must be tested by Scripture, NOT by who taught them."

Brother Day and I are strongly in agreement on this point.  If indeed a doctrine, as tested by Scripture, is found to be Biblically true, then its origin is in the Lord our God Himself, not in any individual or group who may have taught or popularized that particular doctrine.
                                       Pastor Scott Markle

Finally we have these two scriptures from Ephesians. 

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Ephesians 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Truth verified by scripture may even come from the secular media on rare occasions. The quotes above only serve to further validate my firm stand based on the denigration of my relationship with Jesus Christ, my Savior. I therefore have no reservation whatsoever of signing the pledge. If this in some way encourages others to take this bold step, Amen!

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Spoken to Massachusetts Lawyer representing the sodomites.  I applaud Chief Justice Roberts for this statement...

[1Timothy115]

Spoken to Massachusetts Lawyer representing the sodomites.  I applaud Chief Justice Roberts for this statement...

 

​The opposition to same sex marriage should have never gotten this far, it should have ended far earlier by the voice of the people. However, the nation is a nation of corruption, sad to say. Hopefully and prayerfully MANY folks will wake up to a stand against it.

Michigan special attorney general John Bursch, representing states defending same-sex marriage bans: “This case isn't about how to define marriage. It's about who gets to decide that question. Is it the people acting through the democratic process, or is it the federal courts? And we're asking you to affirm every individual's fundamental liberty interest in deciding the meaning of marriage.”

Edited May 4, 2015 by 1Timothy115

[Standing Firm In Christ]

Wouldn't do good to have me on the panel of Justices of the SC.  I'd answer, "It appears to me that God has already decided.  We cannot go against what He instituted a marriage to consist of."

[1Timothy115]

Yes, God has already decided. 

[1Timothy115]

From 7 words or less...

same sex marriage...acquiesce, conform, agree, approve

[Potatochip]

Today my pastor provided what I thought was a very profound statement... "I'd rather be true than tolerant."  Amen 1 Timothy 115.  I agree with that 100 percent.  We should never accept contrary behavior in the congregation.  They should know what the bible says.  God is the author and finisher of our faith.   No excuse for not knowing lol.  That's what pastors are supposed to cover.  

Don't elect me.  Because I would do things like clamp down Indonesian style on drug dealers.  36 k heroin deaths last year.  I guess that figure is accurate.  It must be hard especially if you fought for this country to see things like that going on.  That's a lot to risk guy.  (afterthought)  Some military people are probably thinking.  I didn't fight for sin.  But for freedom.  

I am shocked, indignant and really at a loss as to whats taking place.  That includes things like abortion. porn (way out of control and a really big contributing factor)  My opinion.  The approval of all these moral indignation's.  Don't swing on one hinge.  Say one elected official.  If it did well abortion might be illegal.  Where do you point the finger?  Maybe its the sin wanted.  Forsaking or ignoring the fact of God and salvation and Jesus.  I soulwin, people turn their backs on the Gospel all the time.  We have as Christians blanketed this country with the Gospel here and back millions of times.  

Trying to explain the things of God.  To natural minds is like trying hit brick wall with your fist in my opinion.  It's not that we didn't do what we were supposed to do.  Its the fact that people chose the world instead of the Gospel.  My opinion.  

So what I am thinking.  We better start praying really hard for our kin.  The young Christians.  Christians in general.  Because I don't think all of this this is going to get any better.  Salvation for people not swept up in all of this yet.   I see sodomites skinny as rails all the time on the street.  Weight loss is an indicator of HIV,  Human Immunodeficiency Virus .  Not only that HIV brings on other disease.  Because it breaks down the immune system. Brings on other diseases in them.   Like TB etc.  Whats going on just defies gravity in my opinion.  From a public health standpoint.  Those are my thoughts.  Attacking all of this.  Running straight into the separation clause.  Which in popular legal thought seems to be steadfast.  Just wasn't the way to go.  

When your out there in a city like I am 3 or 4 days a week.  You have to be a little street smart.  People look at what I write and nod their heads. Looks ok.  Thing is I won't go near sodomites.  Not for any reason.  HIV is a breaking down or a broken down immune system.  They can catch all kinds of disease.  Not only that their "communities" are smack dab in the middle of very large cities. Many people touch knuckles in the city for the reason of being careful.  Instead of shaking hands.  I am thinking about wearing gloves in the summer lol.  Or putting a baggie over my hand. It's a serious situation. 

Look up any disease you want 1 Timothy.   HIV and TB.  HIV and Meningitis.  Just add the HIV in front of just about any serious disease. Doesn't seem you can get one list all together.  People are worried about a cake?   Who's idea was that?  Expanding sodomite rights risking public health.  Not making it clear what these people can catch and spread.  Is a really bad mistake in my opinion.

Edited May 5, 2015 by Potatochip

[1Timothy115]

Today my pastor provided what I thought was a very profound statement... "I'd rather be true than tolerant."  Amen 1 Timothy 115.  I agree with that 100 percent.  We should never accept contrary behavior in the congregation.  They should know what the bible says.  God is the author and finisher of our faith.   No excuse for not knowing lol.  That's what pastors are supposed to cover.  

Don't elect me.  Because I would do things like clamp down Indonesian style on drug dealers.  36 k heroin deaths last year.  I guess that figure is accurate.  It must be hard especially if you fought for this country to see things like that going on.  That's a lot to risk guy.  (afterthought)  Some military people are probably thinking.  I didn't fight for sin.  But for freedom.  

I am shocked, indignant and really at a loss as to whats taking place.  That includes things like abortion. porn (way out of control and a really big contributing factor)  My opinion.  The approval of all these moral indignation's.  Don't swing on one hinge.  Say one elected official.  If it did well abortion might be illegal.  Where do you point the finger?  Maybe its the sin wanted.  Forsaking or ignoring the fact of God and salvation and Jesus.  I soulwin, people turn their backs on the Gospel all the time.  We have as Christians blanketed this country with the Gospel here and back millions of times.  

Trying to explain the things of God.  To natural minds is like trying hit brick wall with your fist in my opinion.  It's not that we didn't do what we were supposed to do.  Its the fact that people chose the world instead of the Gospel.  My opinion.  

So what I am thinking.  We better start praying really hard for our kin.  The young Christians.  Christians in general.  Because I don't think all of this this is going to get any better.  Salvation for people not swept up in all of this yet.   I see sodomites skinny as rails all the time on the street.  Weight loss is an indicator of HIV,  Human Immunodeficiency Virus .  Not only that HIV brings on other disease.  Because it breaks down the immune system. Brings on other diseases in them.   Like TB etc.  Whats going on just defies gravity in my opinion.  From a public health standpoint.  Those are my thoughts.  Attacking all of this.  Running straight into the separation clause.  Which in popular legal thought seems to be steadfast.  Just wasn't the way to go.  

When your out there in a city like I am 3 or 4 days a week.  You have to be a little street smart.  People look at what I write and nod their heads. Looks ok.  Thing is I won't go near sodomites.  Not for any reason.  HIV is a breaking down or a broken down immune system.  They can catch all kinds of disease.  Not only that their "communities" are smack dab in the middle of very large cities. Many people touch knuckles in the city for the reason of being careful.  Instead of shaking hands.  I am thinking about wearing gloves in the summer lol.  Or putting a baggie over my hand. It's a serious situation. 

Look up any disease you want 1 Timothy.   HIV and TB.  HIV and Meningitis.  Just add the HIV in front of just about any serious disease. Doesn't seem you can get one list all together.  People are worried about a cake?   Who's idea was that?  Expanding sodomite rights risking public health.  Not making it clear what these people can catch and spread.  Is a really bad mistake in my opinion.​

Potatochip, I've been through and have knowledge of everything you state above. But that isn't the reason why I signed the pledge and encourage others to do the same. 1. same-sex marriage denigrates my Savior, Ephesians 5:23-32 . 2. I'm not fearful of what man might do to me,  Hebrews 13:16 and Isaiah 41:10. I have no fear of what others may say here or elsewhere. God's holiness and spirit and truth worship of Him stands above any decision the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) may make contrary to God's Holy Word. Therefore, I signed the pledge to let SCOTUS and this government know in advance I will not recognize nor support (acquiesce, conform, agree, approve) a decision favoring 'same-sex marriage'.  

[Potatochip]

Oh I see talking about a pledge.  I missed that 1 Timothy sorry.  Nothing wrong with Freedom of Speech. I love it.    I do however believe in a strict interpretation of the Bible.   On how to think about government.  With nothing added. 

Edited May 6, 2015 by Potatochip

[Anon]

I will be surprised and dismayed if the Supreme Court is willing to change a definition that has been present since the beginning of time...namely, marriage being a man and a woman.   

If they do change the definition, many churches will be put out of commission because they will not be able to handle losing their tax exempt status.  (Our church, for example, is NOT 501c3 but we are still tax exempt as a non-profit).   If we lose that non-profit tax exempt status, we will not be able to afford the taxes we would own on our property and on our "income" (tithes and offerings).  Of course we will have to just lose it and let God take care of us, in that case.  He will have to provide the taxes...maybe we'll have to go fishing and look in fish mouths!  haha.

Anyway if it happens, it will be a very solemn day for everyone still for family values in America.

[1Timothy115]

Oh I see talking about a pledge.  I missed that 1 Timothy sorry.  Nothing wrong with Freedom of Speech. I love it.    I do however believe in a strict interpretation of the Bible.   On how to think about government.  With nothing added. 

​God's word, if you will, 'trumps' any and all government laws in direct opposition to God's Holy Word. I hope we're all praying for God's truth to prevail in eyes, ears, and mouths of the SCOTUS.

[1Timothy115]

I will be surprised and dismayed if the Supreme Court is willing to change a definition that has been present since the beginning of time...namely, marriage being a man and a woman.   

If they do change the definition, many churches will be put out of commission because they will not be able to handle losing their tax exempt status.  (Our church, for example, is NOT 501c3 but we are still tax exempt as a non-profit).   If we lose that non-profit tax exempt status, we will not be able to afford the taxes we would own on our property and on our "income" (tithes and offerings).  Of course we will have to just lose it and let God take care of us, in that case.  He will have to provide the taxes...maybe we'll have to go fishing and look in fish mouths!  haha.

Anyway if it happens, it will be a very solemn day for everyone still for family values in America.

​Will you obey a nation's law in direct opposition to God's Holy Word?