fwiw,   I simply believe that it may be that the time of the gentiles closed years if not decades ago.        All the arguments and debates given otherwise seem to be self-contradictory,  and/or alter or twist God's Word for the purpose of a tradition of men.   That's not a surprise,  since most religious teachers Jesus spoke to in person who went along with the religion of the day likewise, Jesus said,  put man's tradition in place of and over God's Word.    It might not be so sometimes today,  but usually worldwide it sure looks like it, eh?

13 hours ago, Martyr_4_FutureJoy said:

the time of the gentiles closed years if not decades ago.

If that were true then Israel as a nation wouldn't still be blind. As the scripture says, "blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." No need to debate over the part that is clearly stated.

On 7/24/2023 at 8:26 AM, John Young said:

If that were true then Israel as a nation wouldn't still be blind. As the scripture says, "blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." No need to debate over the part that is clearly stated.

No debate.

God told the first man and woman,  husband and wife,  that they would die if they disobeyed Him.

They disobeyed Him.

They died. 

The time that passed before this was physically observed was considerably longer than 75 years, right ? 

So also today,  do not look at what is seen with the eyes, nor listen to what is heard with the ears (carnal, fleshly, worldly, physical), 

rather trust ABBA YHVH.