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God is Faith-full: Pre-Saved Always Saved (Romans 8:28-39)

John Young

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Many think that salvation began with their faith or that "their" salvation depends on them "continuing in faith" but in this passage of Romans 8, Paul the Apostle reveals salvation begins and continues by God's faith and divine will, showing that God does not begin a work of faith in a person without first also committing to, continuing in and completing thoroughly, that same work of faith. "being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:" ~ Philippians 1:6 "which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. ~John 1:13

In this message we show the faith of God towards those he foreknew would have a "contrite and humble spirit". For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones. ~ Isaiah 57:15

We explain how God's faith, from before the beginning of time to end of time, will save and continue to keep saved all who believe and receive him in faith and that "our faith in time" is the evidence to us that he has begun this work in us and because it is foreknown by God, it cannot be stopped, lost or even given up by us. "according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, to the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;" ~Ephesians 1:4-7

 

 

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BrotherTony

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Sounds a lot like Calvinism to me. I agree he begins a good work in us through the preaching of the Word and conviction of the heart. Still, a person has to choose to accept or reject that offer of salvation.

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John Young

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43 minutes ago, BrotherTony said:

Sounds a lot like Calvinism to me.

It felt that way a little bit when preaching it but its not. Just bible. What we do in time God has planned for out of time. We are beholden to time but God is not. We are confined linearly but God is not. This does not mean we aren't responsible for our choices nor does it mean God has to wait (ie. time delayed) for us to make up our mind before making His own choices.

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29 minutes ago, John Young said:

It felt that way a little bit when preaching it but its not. Just bible. What we do in time God has planned for out of time. We are beholden to time but God is not. We are confined linearly but God is not. This does not mean we aren't responsible for our choices nor does it mean God has to wait (ie. time delayed) for us to make up our mind before making His own choices.

That sounds a lot like the Calvinistic doctrine of Irresistible Grace. Nobody is implying God's not sovereign or that he has to wait...but, I do believe that God has given man a free will. He already knows who is and who isn't going to believe on Christ and he lets that play out. 

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11 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

That sounds a lot like the Calvinistic doctrine of Irresistible Grace.

I believe God is able to masterfully incorporate both the free will of man and his Good pleasure (as shown in the life of Joseph for example where the freewill of all involved was incorporated seamlessly into Go's divine will). 

Isaiah 46:9-13 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country:yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it. 12 Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness: 13 I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.

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