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    Shadowfeathers reacted to No Nicolaitans in The Morality Behind Christian Women Wearing Pants   
    Hello! Welcome!
    You will receive differing views here on that subject.
    My view is that there's nothing wrong with women wearing pants as long as the pants are modest...the same with dresses, skirts, blouses, shirts, etc...
    Modesty of the apparel in how it adorns a lady is the essential key...not the make of the apparel.
    (1 Timothy 2:9-10) In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
     But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
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    Shadowfeathers reacted to HappyChristian in My husband's Uncle George   
    Uncle George has gone to Glory. Please now be in prayer for the family. They are mostly all saved, and we know he was as well. But the grief is still very real.
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    Shadowfeathers reacted to Alan in Making America Great Again   
    Brethren,
    "I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty." 1 Timothy  2:1 and 2
    May we pray that God will bless President Donald Trump and those in authority over us.
    May we pray that President Trump, and our civic leaders, will be protected as they lead our country and to give them courage to abide by the Constitution of the United States of America and to do the will of God in matters for the betterment, and safety, of our country. 
    I want to thank God for President Trump, and those in authority over us, and pray for their well-being.
     
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/5290700957001/?#sp=show-clips
     
    Psalm 133:1, "Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!"
     
    May God bless all of you.
    Alan
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    Shadowfeathers reacted to Ukulelemike in Errors of Calvanism   
    I agree on the definition. I guess my point being, in matters of biblical doctrine, we must, as well, consider the character of the person who is putting forth such doctrines, to aid us. Its true that we can know doctrine is false regardless of whether we know who the author is, And really, its best that way, so we can be careful not to be lulled into careless appraisal of doctrine because we know the person and trust them. Case in point, someone showed me a sermon done by Spurgeon, (not on Calvinism), where he called Michael the Archangel, Jesus Christ. Now, while I disagree with Spurgeon on his Calvinist views, (though at least he believed strongly in witnessing), I generally agree in other areas. So that he would make such a statement was jarring, and his stamp of approval, as it were, on a false doctrine, could lure others into such falsehoods.
     In Calvin's case, we know from history that he was a wicked man with no grace, no compassion, no tolerance for anyone who held a belief different from his own-this is not to say that we ignore other doctrines and just get along, but he wasn't willing to really search the scriptures-he had his doctrine, his box for God, and rather than repudiate what he disagreed with, he would use force and torture to make others follow. Not godly. So, his life and character help, because can a man who shows no sign of regeneration, be trusted in ANY of his doctrines? If he has no leading of the Spirit in his daily walk, can we trust him to have it in his understanding of scripture?
    That's all I'm saying. 
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    Shadowfeathers reacted to Alan in Errors of Calvanism   
    I do appreciate your last point very highly. Thank you for letting us know you position.
    It seems to me that the lesson needs to be taken as a whole and not as a part. The first section, pertaining to Augustine and Calvin, was more a brief review of the main proponants of Calvinism which was necessary for the entire lesson. The lesson whould be incomplete without the introduction. And, in my opinion, since the doctrine of TULIP is a man-made doctrine, the individuals must be recognized as Paul clearly tells us in Romans 16;17, "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
    The writer of the article was the pastor of Shadowfeathers. And, he performed his obedience to the command of Paul to the letter and appropriatly. Also, as Ukelemike pointed out that it was relevant in bringing out the character of the individual who promoted this false doctrine. I also feel, whether wrong, or right, that I was appropriate in my response as it did detract from the article itself. Nor, did I mention you in particular but I mentioned the method of detracting from the thrust of the lesson.
    Permit me to explain my motives. The method of using one small section of a lesson to throw doubt on the whole lesson is a common practice to detract from the main points. That is a common practice.
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    Shadowfeathers got a reaction from 360watt in Errors of Calvanism   
    1
    “EORRORS OF CALVANISM”
     
    Doctrine originated by a man – Did not begin with John Calvin, (1509 – 1564)
    It began with “Augustine” - (354-429)
    It flourished under Calvin who greatly showed his influence in Catholicism, the Presbyterian church and the Church of Christ, as with others.
    Calvanism claims that the Bible itself is the true source of this religious system.
    His background was Roman Catholicism, from which his doctrine was greatly influenced, rather than from the Bible.
     
    2
    Five points of Calvanism
    Came about actually 50 years after the death of Calvin.
    These five points were first set forth in order as an expression of opposition to the five points of Arminianism.
    Calvanism hangs deeply on the doctrine of “Election” - meaning; God choses some to be saved, and others to be lost, and also the doctrine of “Sovereignty” - but does not reveal the reason why.
    Calvanism has been summed up by the acrostic T-U-L-I-P.
     
    3
    T-U-L-I-P
    T – Total depravity
    U – Unconditional election
    L – Limited atonement
    I – Irresistible grace
    P – perseverance of the saints
     
    4
    “Amenian doctrine”
    1 – Conditional election and reprobation, in opposition to the absolute predestination taught by Calvin.
    2 – Universal redemption, or that the atonement was made by Christ for all mankind, though none but believers can be partakers of the benefit.
    3 – That man, in order to exercise true faith, must be regenerated and renewed by the operation of the Holy Spirit which is the gift of God.
    4 – That man may resist divine grace.
    5 – That man may relapse from a state of grace – in opposition to Calvin's doctrine of the perseverance of the saints.
    Wesleyans of Great Britain and Methodists of America are Armenian.
     
    5
    The Contrasts
    Armenian = A, Calvanism = C
    Depravity: A – Man is depraved, lost, guilty, but has been helped so that he can believe if he will.
    Depravity: C – Man is totally depraved. He is dead. Depravity indicates inability.
    Man's will is not free, but enslaved by sin.
     
    I am a Biblicist, not Calvanist or Arminian. I believe the Bible as Authority, Not John Calvin or Jacobus Arminus.
     
    6
    Election
    A – God elected those whom He foresaw would believe.
    C – God's election rested solely in His own sovereign will. It is not based on anything foreseen in man.
    Redemption
    A – Christ died to provide salvation for all. Those who believe will be saved.
    C – Christ died to provide salvation for all and to secure and guarantee salvation for the elect. Faith is necessary to salvation, and faith is certain since the means as well as the end are secured. This is known as particular redemption and sometimes called limited atonement (a poor term).
     
    7
    Obedience
    A – Man can obey the gospel call or disobey and reject. God's grace is not invincible, but can be and often is rejected and thwarted by man.
    C – Man can obey the gospel called or disobey, but God makes certain that the inward call to the elect is willingly obeyed. God's plan of election is invincible and will not be thwarted.
    Security
    A – Believers can lose their salvation. (Armenius was uncertain about this.)
    C – True believers (elect) are eternally secure.
     
    8
    Questions of Mystery!
    How can God be sovereign and how can man be responsible?
    How can there be responsibility without ability?
    How can limits be placed on an infinite sacrifice?
    Great preachers have strongly emphasized both divine sovereignty and human responsibility.
    You might be surprised that C. H. Spurgeon leaned toward Calvanism, although he strongly disagreed with the doctrine of limited atonement.
     
    9
    TOTALLY DEPRAVITY
    The phrases of Calvanism appear nowhere in the scriptures – Gen. To Rev.
    Depravity equals inability. Man, being dead, does not have to ability to believe, or call on God for salvation.
    This necessitates both Unconditional Election and Irresistible Grace.
    From the canons of Dort declare: “Therefore all men. . .without the regenerating grace of the Holy Spirit. . .are neither able nor willing to return to God. . .nor to dispose themselves to reformation.
    This statement is an expression of human opinion without biblical support.
    Question: How is it that a person is unwilling to do what he is unable to do?
     
     
    10
    The Bible teaches that man is morally corrupt (Jer. 17:9. Rom. 3:10-18).
    That he is dead in trespasses and sins (Eph. 2:1).
    That he is spiritually blind (1 Cor. 2:14).
    But is does not teach that man cannot respond to the Gospel.
    Just the opposite, the Bible teaches that Christ gives light to every man, (Jn. 1:9)
    He draws all men to himself (Jn 12:32),
    He convicts men through the Holy Spirit (Jn 16:8).
    God calls men to salvation through the gospel, (2 Thes. 2:14),
    And He has ordained that the gospel be preached to every creature (Mk. 16:15).
     
    11
    Unconditional Election
    They teach that some are elected by God to go to heaven, and others are elected by God to go to hell.
    They use Jn 6:37 - “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”
    But vs 40 explains vs 37. It is God's will that every one that believes on Christ will be saved.
    The ones that the Father gives to the Son are those who believe on Him.
     
    12
    They use Jn. 6:44
    “No man can come to me except the Father which hath sent me draw him; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
    A threefold problem: 1 – Christ said He would draw all men to Himself (Jn. 12:32, 1:9)
    2 – The Bible says God desires all men to be saved (1 Tim. 2:3-4, 2 Pet. 3:9), those who are rejected are those who reject the truth and do not believe. (2 Thes. 2:10, 12)
    3 – God draws men through the gospel (2 Thes. 2:14, and the gospel is to preached to every man. (Mk. 16:15)
     
    13
    They use Acts 13:48
    “And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord; and as man as were ordained to eternal life believed.”
    But verse 46 explains: “Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.”
    It was because they did not believe, not because they were not chosen.
    Calvanism confuses such words as: Election, Predestination, and foreordained.
    It is man who “elects” to believe. It is God who predestines all who do believe, to eternal life. It is God who, in His foreknowledge, knows who will believe, and thus foreordains them to eternal life. (Jn. 3:16)
    Belief is the key word: (1 Pet. 2:6, Jn. 11:25, Jn. 6:47, Mk. 16:16, Jn. 3:36, Jn. 3:15-18).
    Call is another key word: (Rom. 10:13)
     
     
     
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    Limited Atonement
    God loves all men (Jn. 3:16)
    God desires all men to be saved (2 Pet. 3:9)
    God has commanded that the gospel be preached to every person (Mk. 16:15)
    Jesus was a ransom for all men (1 Tim. 2:6)
    Jesus tasted death for all men (Heb. 2:9)
    Jesus provided propitiation for all men (1 Jn. 2:2)
    Jesus bought even unsaved false teachers (2 Pet. 2:1)
    The iniquity of all men was laid on Jesus (Isa. 53:6)
    If the first part of Isa. 53:6 is universal, the second part can not be limited.
     
    15
    Irresistible Grace
     
    It is clear that God extends Grace to all men, but it is man who rejected that Grace.
     
    Cain for instance: (Gen. 4:6-7)
     
    The world before the flood: (Gen. 6:3)
     
    Israel of old: (Rom. 10:21)
     
    Israel of Christ's day: (Matt. 23:37, Jn. 5:40)
     
    Jews of Paul's day: (Acts 13:46)
     
    16
    Perseverance of the Saints
    This, of course, means that one has to persevere in order to stay saved. It is a denial of “eternal security”.
    A denial of eternal security, means that salvation depends on man to hold out, rather upon God who gives it. In other words: Eternal does not mean eternal, etc. and grace is not grace.
    Eph. 2: 8-9 – We are saved through faith (believing), by the grace of God – not of ourselves.
    Faith comes before salvation, (man responds to the conviction of the Holy Spirit, by grace).
    Faith comes through hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
     
    17
    A Summary
    If God elects only certain ones to be saved and others to be lost; if one cannot resist the Grace of God, if there is a limit on the atonement made by Christ; there would be no need for Missionaries, no need for the church, no need for preaching the gospel, no need for the great commission, no need for visitation programs, no need for soul-winning, no need for repenting, no need for study the word, no need for printing and handing out tracts, no need for believing.
    And God would be lying when he says: “Whosoever will may come”. And, “whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
    Most Calvanist are probably saved, but just confused on the Scriptures.
     
     
     
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    Shadowfeathers got a reaction from beameup in Errors of Calvanism   
    1
    “EORRORS OF CALVANISM”
     
    Doctrine originated by a man – Did not begin with John Calvin, (1509 – 1564)
    It began with “Augustine” - (354-429)
    It flourished under Calvin who greatly showed his influence in Catholicism, the Presbyterian church and the Church of Christ, as with others.
    Calvanism claims that the Bible itself is the true source of this religious system.
    His background was Roman Catholicism, from which his doctrine was greatly influenced, rather than from the Bible.
     
    2
    Five points of Calvanism
    Came about actually 50 years after the death of Calvin.
    These five points were first set forth in order as an expression of opposition to the five points of Arminianism.
    Calvanism hangs deeply on the doctrine of “Election” - meaning; God choses some to be saved, and others to be lost, and also the doctrine of “Sovereignty” - but does not reveal the reason why.
    Calvanism has been summed up by the acrostic T-U-L-I-P.
     
    3
    T-U-L-I-P
    T – Total depravity
    U – Unconditional election
    L – Limited atonement
    I – Irresistible grace
    P – perseverance of the saints
     
    4
    “Amenian doctrine”
    1 – Conditional election and reprobation, in opposition to the absolute predestination taught by Calvin.
    2 – Universal redemption, or that the atonement was made by Christ for all mankind, though none but believers can be partakers of the benefit.
    3 – That man, in order to exercise true faith, must be regenerated and renewed by the operation of the Holy Spirit which is the gift of God.
    4 – That man may resist divine grace.
    5 – That man may relapse from a state of grace – in opposition to Calvin's doctrine of the perseverance of the saints.
    Wesleyans of Great Britain and Methodists of America are Armenian.
     
    5
    The Contrasts
    Armenian = A, Calvanism = C
    Depravity: A – Man is depraved, lost, guilty, but has been helped so that he can believe if he will.
    Depravity: C – Man is totally depraved. He is dead. Depravity indicates inability.
    Man's will is not free, but enslaved by sin.
     
    I am a Biblicist, not Calvanist or Arminian. I believe the Bible as Authority, Not John Calvin or Jacobus Arminus.
     
    6
    Election
    A – God elected those whom He foresaw would believe.
    C – God's election rested solely in His own sovereign will. It is not based on anything foreseen in man.
    Redemption
    A – Christ died to provide salvation for all. Those who believe will be saved.
    C – Christ died to provide salvation for all and to secure and guarantee salvation for the elect. Faith is necessary to salvation, and faith is certain since the means as well as the end are secured. This is known as particular redemption and sometimes called limited atonement (a poor term).
     
    7
    Obedience
    A – Man can obey the gospel call or disobey and reject. God's grace is not invincible, but can be and often is rejected and thwarted by man.
    C – Man can obey the gospel called or disobey, but God makes certain that the inward call to the elect is willingly obeyed. God's plan of election is invincible and will not be thwarted.
    Security
    A – Believers can lose their salvation. (Armenius was uncertain about this.)
    C – True believers (elect) are eternally secure.
     
    8
    Questions of Mystery!
    How can God be sovereign and how can man be responsible?
    How can there be responsibility without ability?
    How can limits be placed on an infinite sacrifice?
    Great preachers have strongly emphasized both divine sovereignty and human responsibility.
    You might be surprised that C. H. Spurgeon leaned toward Calvanism, although he strongly disagreed with the doctrine of limited atonement.
     
    9
    TOTALLY DEPRAVITY
    The phrases of Calvanism appear nowhere in the scriptures – Gen. To Rev.
    Depravity equals inability. Man, being dead, does not have to ability to believe, or call on God for salvation.
    This necessitates both Unconditional Election and Irresistible Grace.
    From the canons of Dort declare: “Therefore all men. . .without the regenerating grace of the Holy Spirit. . .are neither able nor willing to return to God. . .nor to dispose themselves to reformation.
    This statement is an expression of human opinion without biblical support.
    Question: How is it that a person is unwilling to do what he is unable to do?
     
     
    10
    The Bible teaches that man is morally corrupt (Jer. 17:9. Rom. 3:10-18).
    That he is dead in trespasses and sins (Eph. 2:1).
    That he is spiritually blind (1 Cor. 2:14).
    But is does not teach that man cannot respond to the Gospel.
    Just the opposite, the Bible teaches that Christ gives light to every man, (Jn. 1:9)
    He draws all men to himself (Jn 12:32),
    He convicts men through the Holy Spirit (Jn 16:8).
    God calls men to salvation through the gospel, (2 Thes. 2:14),
    And He has ordained that the gospel be preached to every creature (Mk. 16:15).
     
    11
    Unconditional Election
    They teach that some are elected by God to go to heaven, and others are elected by God to go to hell.
    They use Jn 6:37 - “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”
    But vs 40 explains vs 37. It is God's will that every one that believes on Christ will be saved.
    The ones that the Father gives to the Son are those who believe on Him.
     
    12
    They use Jn. 6:44
    “No man can come to me except the Father which hath sent me draw him; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
    A threefold problem: 1 – Christ said He would draw all men to Himself (Jn. 12:32, 1:9)
    2 – The Bible says God desires all men to be saved (1 Tim. 2:3-4, 2 Pet. 3:9), those who are rejected are those who reject the truth and do not believe. (2 Thes. 2:10, 12)
    3 – God draws men through the gospel (2 Thes. 2:14, and the gospel is to preached to every man. (Mk. 16:15)
     
    13
    They use Acts 13:48
    “And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord; and as man as were ordained to eternal life believed.”
    But verse 46 explains: “Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.”
    It was because they did not believe, not because they were not chosen.
    Calvanism confuses such words as: Election, Predestination, and foreordained.
    It is man who “elects” to believe. It is God who predestines all who do believe, to eternal life. It is God who, in His foreknowledge, knows who will believe, and thus foreordains them to eternal life. (Jn. 3:16)
    Belief is the key word: (1 Pet. 2:6, Jn. 11:25, Jn. 6:47, Mk. 16:16, Jn. 3:36, Jn. 3:15-18).
    Call is another key word: (Rom. 10:13)
     
     
     
    14
    Limited Atonement
    God loves all men (Jn. 3:16)
    God desires all men to be saved (2 Pet. 3:9)
    God has commanded that the gospel be preached to every person (Mk. 16:15)
    Jesus was a ransom for all men (1 Tim. 2:6)
    Jesus tasted death for all men (Heb. 2:9)
    Jesus provided propitiation for all men (1 Jn. 2:2)
    Jesus bought even unsaved false teachers (2 Pet. 2:1)
    The iniquity of all men was laid on Jesus (Isa. 53:6)
    If the first part of Isa. 53:6 is universal, the second part can not be limited.
     
    15
    Irresistible Grace
     
    It is clear that God extends Grace to all men, but it is man who rejected that Grace.
     
    Cain for instance: (Gen. 4:6-7)
     
    The world before the flood: (Gen. 6:3)
     
    Israel of old: (Rom. 10:21)
     
    Israel of Christ's day: (Matt. 23:37, Jn. 5:40)
     
    Jews of Paul's day: (Acts 13:46)
     
    16
    Perseverance of the Saints
    This, of course, means that one has to persevere in order to stay saved. It is a denial of “eternal security”.
    A denial of eternal security, means that salvation depends on man to hold out, rather upon God who gives it. In other words: Eternal does not mean eternal, etc. and grace is not grace.
    Eph. 2: 8-9 – We are saved through faith (believing), by the grace of God – not of ourselves.
    Faith comes before salvation, (man responds to the conviction of the Holy Spirit, by grace).
    Faith comes through hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
     
    17
    A Summary
    If God elects only certain ones to be saved and others to be lost; if one cannot resist the Grace of God, if there is a limit on the atonement made by Christ; there would be no need for Missionaries, no need for the church, no need for preaching the gospel, no need for the great commission, no need for visitation programs, no need for soul-winning, no need for repenting, no need for study the word, no need for printing and handing out tracts, no need for believing.
    And God would be lying when he says: “Whosoever will may come”. And, “whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
    Most Calvanist are probably saved, but just confused on the Scriptures.
     
     
     
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    Shadowfeathers got a reaction from Alan in Errors of Calvanism   
    Thanks for stopping in to read, commenting and shares your thoughts, I appreciate it, from y'all, have blessing weekend. 
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    Shadowfeathers got a reaction from wretched in Errors of Calvanism   
    1
    “EORRORS OF CALVANISM”
     
    Doctrine originated by a man – Did not begin with John Calvin, (1509 – 1564)
    It began with “Augustine” - (354-429)
    It flourished under Calvin who greatly showed his influence in Catholicism, the Presbyterian church and the Church of Christ, as with others.
    Calvanism claims that the Bible itself is the true source of this religious system.
    His background was Roman Catholicism, from which his doctrine was greatly influenced, rather than from the Bible.
     
    2
    Five points of Calvanism
    Came about actually 50 years after the death of Calvin.
    These five points were first set forth in order as an expression of opposition to the five points of Arminianism.
    Calvanism hangs deeply on the doctrine of “Election” - meaning; God choses some to be saved, and others to be lost, and also the doctrine of “Sovereignty” - but does not reveal the reason why.
    Calvanism has been summed up by the acrostic T-U-L-I-P.
     
    3
    T-U-L-I-P
    T – Total depravity
    U – Unconditional election
    L – Limited atonement
    I – Irresistible grace
    P – perseverance of the saints
     
    4
    “Amenian doctrine”
    1 – Conditional election and reprobation, in opposition to the absolute predestination taught by Calvin.
    2 – Universal redemption, or that the atonement was made by Christ for all mankind, though none but believers can be partakers of the benefit.
    3 – That man, in order to exercise true faith, must be regenerated and renewed by the operation of the Holy Spirit which is the gift of God.
    4 – That man may resist divine grace.
    5 – That man may relapse from a state of grace – in opposition to Calvin's doctrine of the perseverance of the saints.
    Wesleyans of Great Britain and Methodists of America are Armenian.
     
    5
    The Contrasts
    Armenian = A, Calvanism = C
    Depravity: A – Man is depraved, lost, guilty, but has been helped so that he can believe if he will.
    Depravity: C – Man is totally depraved. He is dead. Depravity indicates inability.
    Man's will is not free, but enslaved by sin.
     
    I am a Biblicist, not Calvanist or Arminian. I believe the Bible as Authority, Not John Calvin or Jacobus Arminus.
     
    6
    Election
    A – God elected those whom He foresaw would believe.
    C – God's election rested solely in His own sovereign will. It is not based on anything foreseen in man.
    Redemption
    A – Christ died to provide salvation for all. Those who believe will be saved.
    C – Christ died to provide salvation for all and to secure and guarantee salvation for the elect. Faith is necessary to salvation, and faith is certain since the means as well as the end are secured. This is known as particular redemption and sometimes called limited atonement (a poor term).
     
    7
    Obedience
    A – Man can obey the gospel call or disobey and reject. God's grace is not invincible, but can be and often is rejected and thwarted by man.
    C – Man can obey the gospel called or disobey, but God makes certain that the inward call to the elect is willingly obeyed. God's plan of election is invincible and will not be thwarted.
    Security
    A – Believers can lose their salvation. (Armenius was uncertain about this.)
    C – True believers (elect) are eternally secure.
     
    8
    Questions of Mystery!
    How can God be sovereign and how can man be responsible?
    How can there be responsibility without ability?
    How can limits be placed on an infinite sacrifice?
    Great preachers have strongly emphasized both divine sovereignty and human responsibility.
    You might be surprised that C. H. Spurgeon leaned toward Calvanism, although he strongly disagreed with the doctrine of limited atonement.
     
    9
    TOTALLY DEPRAVITY
    The phrases of Calvanism appear nowhere in the scriptures – Gen. To Rev.
    Depravity equals inability. Man, being dead, does not have to ability to believe, or call on God for salvation.
    This necessitates both Unconditional Election and Irresistible Grace.
    From the canons of Dort declare: “Therefore all men. . .without the regenerating grace of the Holy Spirit. . .are neither able nor willing to return to God. . .nor to dispose themselves to reformation.
    This statement is an expression of human opinion without biblical support.
    Question: How is it that a person is unwilling to do what he is unable to do?
     
     
    10
    The Bible teaches that man is morally corrupt (Jer. 17:9. Rom. 3:10-18).
    That he is dead in trespasses and sins (Eph. 2:1).
    That he is spiritually blind (1 Cor. 2:14).
    But is does not teach that man cannot respond to the Gospel.
    Just the opposite, the Bible teaches that Christ gives light to every man, (Jn. 1:9)
    He draws all men to himself (Jn 12:32),
    He convicts men through the Holy Spirit (Jn 16:8).
    God calls men to salvation through the gospel, (2 Thes. 2:14),
    And He has ordained that the gospel be preached to every creature (Mk. 16:15).
     
    11
    Unconditional Election
    They teach that some are elected by God to go to heaven, and others are elected by God to go to hell.
    They use Jn 6:37 - “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”
    But vs 40 explains vs 37. It is God's will that every one that believes on Christ will be saved.
    The ones that the Father gives to the Son are those who believe on Him.
     
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    They use Jn. 6:44
    “No man can come to me except the Father which hath sent me draw him; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
    A threefold problem: 1 – Christ said He would draw all men to Himself (Jn. 12:32, 1:9)
    2 – The Bible says God desires all men to be saved (1 Tim. 2:3-4, 2 Pet. 3:9), those who are rejected are those who reject the truth and do not believe. (2 Thes. 2:10, 12)
    3 – God draws men through the gospel (2 Thes. 2:14, and the gospel is to preached to every man. (Mk. 16:15)
     
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    They use Acts 13:48
    “And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord; and as man as were ordained to eternal life believed.”
    But verse 46 explains: “Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.”
    It was because they did not believe, not because they were not chosen.
    Calvanism confuses such words as: Election, Predestination, and foreordained.
    It is man who “elects” to believe. It is God who predestines all who do believe, to eternal life. It is God who, in His foreknowledge, knows who will believe, and thus foreordains them to eternal life. (Jn. 3:16)
    Belief is the key word: (1 Pet. 2:6, Jn. 11:25, Jn. 6:47, Mk. 16:16, Jn. 3:36, Jn. 3:15-18).
    Call is another key word: (Rom. 10:13)
     
     
     
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    Limited Atonement
    God loves all men (Jn. 3:16)
    God desires all men to be saved (2 Pet. 3:9)
    God has commanded that the gospel be preached to every person (Mk. 16:15)
    Jesus was a ransom for all men (1 Tim. 2:6)
    Jesus tasted death for all men (Heb. 2:9)
    Jesus provided propitiation for all men (1 Jn. 2:2)
    Jesus bought even unsaved false teachers (2 Pet. 2:1)
    The iniquity of all men was laid on Jesus (Isa. 53:6)
    If the first part of Isa. 53:6 is universal, the second part can not be limited.
     
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    Irresistible Grace
     
    It is clear that God extends Grace to all men, but it is man who rejected that Grace.
     
    Cain for instance: (Gen. 4:6-7)
     
    The world before the flood: (Gen. 6:3)
     
    Israel of old: (Rom. 10:21)
     
    Israel of Christ's day: (Matt. 23:37, Jn. 5:40)
     
    Jews of Paul's day: (Acts 13:46)
     
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    Perseverance of the Saints
    This, of course, means that one has to persevere in order to stay saved. It is a denial of “eternal security”.
    A denial of eternal security, means that salvation depends on man to hold out, rather upon God who gives it. In other words: Eternal does not mean eternal, etc. and grace is not grace.
    Eph. 2: 8-9 – We are saved through faith (believing), by the grace of God – not of ourselves.
    Faith comes before salvation, (man responds to the conviction of the Holy Spirit, by grace).
    Faith comes through hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
     
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    A Summary
    If God elects only certain ones to be saved and others to be lost; if one cannot resist the Grace of God, if there is a limit on the atonement made by Christ; there would be no need for Missionaries, no need for the church, no need for preaching the gospel, no need for the great commission, no need for visitation programs, no need for soul-winning, no need for repenting, no need for study the word, no need for printing and handing out tracts, no need for believing.
    And God would be lying when he says: “Whosoever will may come”. And, “whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
    Most Calvanist are probably saved, but just confused on the Scriptures.
     
     
     
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    “EORRORS OF CALVANISM”
     
    Doctrine originated by a man – Did not begin with John Calvin, (1509 – 1564)
    It began with “Augustine” - (354-429)
    It flourished under Calvin who greatly showed his influence in Catholicism, the Presbyterian church and the Church of Christ, as with others.
    Calvanism claims that the Bible itself is the true source of this religious system.
    His background was Roman Catholicism, from which his doctrine was greatly influenced, rather than from the Bible.
     
    2
    Five points of Calvanism
    Came about actually 50 years after the death of Calvin.
    These five points were first set forth in order as an expression of opposition to the five points of Arminianism.
    Calvanism hangs deeply on the doctrine of “Election” - meaning; God choses some to be saved, and others to be lost, and also the doctrine of “Sovereignty” - but does not reveal the reason why.
    Calvanism has been summed up by the acrostic T-U-L-I-P.
     
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    T-U-L-I-P
    T – Total depravity
    U – Unconditional election
    L – Limited atonement
    I – Irresistible grace
    P – perseverance of the saints
     
    4
    “Amenian doctrine”
    1 – Conditional election and reprobation, in opposition to the absolute predestination taught by Calvin.
    2 – Universal redemption, or that the atonement was made by Christ for all mankind, though none but believers can be partakers of the benefit.
    3 – That man, in order to exercise true faith, must be regenerated and renewed by the operation of the Holy Spirit which is the gift of God.
    4 – That man may resist divine grace.
    5 – That man may relapse from a state of grace – in opposition to Calvin's doctrine of the perseverance of the saints.
    Wesleyans of Great Britain and Methodists of America are Armenian.
     
    5
    The Contrasts
    Armenian = A, Calvanism = C
    Depravity: A – Man is depraved, lost, guilty, but has been helped so that he can believe if he will.
    Depravity: C – Man is totally depraved. He is dead. Depravity indicates inability.
    Man's will is not free, but enslaved by sin.
     
    I am a Biblicist, not Calvanist or Arminian. I believe the Bible as Authority, Not John Calvin or Jacobus Arminus.
     
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    Election
    A – God elected those whom He foresaw would believe.
    C – God's election rested solely in His own sovereign will. It is not based on anything foreseen in man.
    Redemption
    A – Christ died to provide salvation for all. Those who believe will be saved.
    C – Christ died to provide salvation for all and to secure and guarantee salvation for the elect. Faith is necessary to salvation, and faith is certain since the means as well as the end are secured. This is known as particular redemption and sometimes called limited atonement (a poor term).
     
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    Obedience
    A – Man can obey the gospel call or disobey and reject. God's grace is not invincible, but can be and often is rejected and thwarted by man.
    C – Man can obey the gospel called or disobey, but God makes certain that the inward call to the elect is willingly obeyed. God's plan of election is invincible and will not be thwarted.
    Security
    A – Believers can lose their salvation. (Armenius was uncertain about this.)
    C – True believers (elect) are eternally secure.
     
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    Questions of Mystery!
    How can God be sovereign and how can man be responsible?
    How can there be responsibility without ability?
    How can limits be placed on an infinite sacrifice?
    Great preachers have strongly emphasized both divine sovereignty and human responsibility.
    You might be surprised that C. H. Spurgeon leaned toward Calvanism, although he strongly disagreed with the doctrine of limited atonement.
     
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    TOTALLY DEPRAVITY
    The phrases of Calvanism appear nowhere in the scriptures – Gen. To Rev.
    Depravity equals inability. Man, being dead, does not have to ability to believe, or call on God for salvation.
    This necessitates both Unconditional Election and Irresistible Grace.
    From the canons of Dort declare: “Therefore all men. . .without the regenerating grace of the Holy Spirit. . .are neither able nor willing to return to God. . .nor to dispose themselves to reformation.
    This statement is an expression of human opinion without biblical support.
    Question: How is it that a person is unwilling to do what he is unable to do?
     
     
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    The Bible teaches that man is morally corrupt (Jer. 17:9. Rom. 3:10-18).
    That he is dead in trespasses and sins (Eph. 2:1).
    That he is spiritually blind (1 Cor. 2:14).
    But is does not teach that man cannot respond to the Gospel.
    Just the opposite, the Bible teaches that Christ gives light to every man, (Jn. 1:9)
    He draws all men to himself (Jn 12:32),
    He convicts men through the Holy Spirit (Jn 16:8).
    God calls men to salvation through the gospel, (2 Thes. 2:14),
    And He has ordained that the gospel be preached to every creature (Mk. 16:15).
     
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    Unconditional Election
    They teach that some are elected by God to go to heaven, and others are elected by God to go to hell.
    They use Jn 6:37 - “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.”
    But vs 40 explains vs 37. It is God's will that every one that believes on Christ will be saved.
    The ones that the Father gives to the Son are those who believe on Him.
     
    12
    They use Jn. 6:44
    “No man can come to me except the Father which hath sent me draw him; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
    A threefold problem: 1 – Christ said He would draw all men to Himself (Jn. 12:32, 1:9)
    2 – The Bible says God desires all men to be saved (1 Tim. 2:3-4, 2 Pet. 3:9), those who are rejected are those who reject the truth and do not believe. (2 Thes. 2:10, 12)
    3 – God draws men through the gospel (2 Thes. 2:14, and the gospel is to preached to every man. (Mk. 16:15)
     
    13
    They use Acts 13:48
    “And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord; and as man as were ordained to eternal life believed.”
    But verse 46 explains: “Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.”
    It was because they did not believe, not because they were not chosen.
    Calvanism confuses such words as: Election, Predestination, and foreordained.
    It is man who “elects” to believe. It is God who predestines all who do believe, to eternal life. It is God who, in His foreknowledge, knows who will believe, and thus foreordains them to eternal life. (Jn. 3:16)
    Belief is the key word: (1 Pet. 2:6, Jn. 11:25, Jn. 6:47, Mk. 16:16, Jn. 3:36, Jn. 3:15-18).
    Call is another key word: (Rom. 10:13)
     
     
     
    14
    Limited Atonement
    God loves all men (Jn. 3:16)
    God desires all men to be saved (2 Pet. 3:9)
    God has commanded that the gospel be preached to every person (Mk. 16:15)
    Jesus was a ransom for all men (1 Tim. 2:6)
    Jesus tasted death for all men (Heb. 2:9)
    Jesus provided propitiation for all men (1 Jn. 2:2)
    Jesus bought even unsaved false teachers (2 Pet. 2:1)
    The iniquity of all men was laid on Jesus (Isa. 53:6)
    If the first part of Isa. 53:6 is universal, the second part can not be limited.
     
    15
    Irresistible Grace
     
    It is clear that God extends Grace to all men, but it is man who rejected that Grace.
     
    Cain for instance: (Gen. 4:6-7)
     
    The world before the flood: (Gen. 6:3)
     
    Israel of old: (Rom. 10:21)
     
    Israel of Christ's day: (Matt. 23:37, Jn. 5:40)
     
    Jews of Paul's day: (Acts 13:46)
     
    16
    Perseverance of the Saints
    This, of course, means that one has to persevere in order to stay saved. It is a denial of “eternal security”.
    A denial of eternal security, means that salvation depends on man to hold out, rather upon God who gives it. In other words: Eternal does not mean eternal, etc. and grace is not grace.
    Eph. 2: 8-9 – We are saved through faith (believing), by the grace of God – not of ourselves.
    Faith comes before salvation, (man responds to the conviction of the Holy Spirit, by grace).
    Faith comes through hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
     
    17
    A Summary
    If God elects only certain ones to be saved and others to be lost; if one cannot resist the Grace of God, if there is a limit on the atonement made by Christ; there would be no need for Missionaries, no need for the church, no need for preaching the gospel, no need for the great commission, no need for visitation programs, no need for soul-winning, no need for repenting, no need for study the word, no need for printing and handing out tracts, no need for believing.
    And God would be lying when he says: “Whosoever will may come”. And, “whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
    Most Calvanist are probably saved, but just confused on the Scriptures.
     
     
     
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    Nothing beats a plain sugar cookie! No frills, no nuts, just... well, sugar cookie. 
    "If it ain't homemade, is it even real?!"
    without further ado, 
    Old Fashioned Sugar Cookes (makes a few dozen cookies, depending on the size/thickness):
    Ingredients:
    3 1/2 cups all purpose flour
    1 1/2 teaspoon salt
    2 teaspoon baking powder
    1 cup butter (softened) 
    1 1/2 cups granulated sugar
    3 eggs
    1 teaspoon vanilla extract 
    Directions:
    Combine flour, salt, and baking powder in bowl and set aside. Combine butter and sugar and beat until creamy. Add agges one at a time and beat well; add vanilla and combine. Stir in dry ingredients until combined. Refrigerate dough for at least one hour. Preheat oven to 350F. Roll out the dough on a lightly floured surface to desired thickness. Cut with a cookie cutter. Bake for 10-15 minutes on lightly greased baking sheets.
     
    Your Sister in Christ,
    Claire
    Titus 2:1-5
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    3/4 cup Genesis 18:8 1 1/2 cup Jeremiah 6:20 5 Isaiah 10:14 (separated) 3 cups sifted Leviticus 24:5 3 teaspoons 2 Kings 2:20 3 teaspoons Amos 4:5 1 teaspoon Exodus 30:23 1/4 teaspoon each 2 Chronicles 9:9 1/2 cup Judges 4:19 3/4 chopped Genesis 43:11 3/4 cup finely cut Jeremiah 24:5 3/4 cup 2 Samuel 16:1 Whole Genesis 43:11
      Instructions:
    Cream Genesis 18 with Jeremiah 6. Beat in yolks of Isaiah 10, one at a time. Sift together Leviticus 24; 2 Kings 2; Amos 4; Exodus 30; and 2 Chronicles 9. Blend into creamed mixture alternately with Judges 4. Beat whites of Isaiah 10 till stiff; fold in. Fold in chopped Genesis 43; Jeremiah 24; and 2 Samuel 16. Turn into 10-inch tube pan that has been greased and dusted with Leviticus 24. Bake at 325 degrees F until it is golden brown or Gabriel blows his trumpet, whichever happens first. Bake for an hour and ten minutes. Remove from oven.  After fifteen minutes, remove it from the pan. Cool completely. Drizzle over it some Burnt Jeremiah Syrup.
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    BURNT JEREMIAH SYRUP
    Ingredients:
    1 1/2 cups Jeremiah 6:20 1/2 cup Genesis 24:45 1/4 cup Genesis 18:8 Instructions:
    Melt Jeremiah 6 in a heavy skillet over low heat. Keep cooking it till it is a deep gold, then add Genesis 24. Cook till smooth and remove from the heat. Add Genesis 18 and stir till it melts, then cool. After drizzling this on the Scripture Cake, you can decorate it with whole Genesis.
       
    THE SCRIPTURE CAKE:

    Genesis 18:8 “And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them.”

    Jeremiah 6:20 “To what purpose cometh there to me frankincense from Sheba, and the sweet cane from a far country.” (Sugar)

    Isaiah 10:4 “And my hand hath found as a nest the riches of the peoples; and as one gathered eggs that are forsaken, have I gathered the earth.”

    Leviticus 24:5 “And thou shalt take fine flour, and bake twelve cakes thereof.”

    2 Kings 2:20 “And he said, Bring me a new cruse, and put salt therein.”

    Amos 4:5 “And offer a sacrifice of thanksgiving of that which is leavened, and proclaim free will offerings and publish them.” (Baking Powder)

    Exodus 30:23 “Take thou also, unto thee the chief spices; of flowering myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half as much.”

    2 Chronicles 9:9 “And she gave the King a hundred and twenty talents of gold, and spices in great abundance.”

    Judges 4:19 “ And he said unto her, Give me, I pray thee, a little water to drink; for I am thirsty. And she opened a bottle of milk and gave him drink.”

    Genesis 43:11 “Carry down the man a present, a little balm, and a little honey, spicery and myrrh, nuts and almonds.”

    Jeremiah 24:5 “Thou saith Jehovah, God of Israel: Like these good figs, so will I regard the captives of Judah whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans, for good.”

    2 Samuel 16:1 “And when David was a little past the top of the assent, behold, Ziba, the servant of Mephiboseth met him, with a couple of asses saddled, and upon them two hundred loaves of bread, and a hundred clusters of raisins.

    Genesis 24:45 “And before I had done speaking in my heart, behold Rebekah came forth with her pitcher on her shoulder; and she went down to the fountain, and drew: and I said unto her, Let me drink, I pray thee.”

     
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