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Oh lighten up, I have been at EVC, Topix, bible wheel, etc etc etc... and evolutionists run and hide, from ever answering questions. I thought this was a debate board for and against evolution, and wanted to disproof evolution, as I always do

 

SEE http://creationismdefeatsevolution.webstarts.com/

 

The web links to those evolution/creation boards are thereIN. For therein I must have posted over two thousand posts against evolution and evolutionists postings. SEE for yourselves.

As I am a creationist, I dont post subjectively but objectively.  Me trying to discredit John or Bill or whoever you are talking about, I know not. The thread was about creation versus evolution and I went into detail as can be seen in posting the four questions of the author whoever he was.... I didnt look. Do note and recheck my posts HEREIN for the long posting I gave against the four points made by the author.

Please enough of this witch hunt, and trying to find fault as an excuse.

 

Or maybe I will have to repost it for you, to show that I posted objectively against the author of the writings that were the topic of this thread

 

Here it tis..

 

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John...you stated in a rather long posting

 

With some trepidation, I toss my two cents into the fire. Here are the questions I will raise and attempt to answer:

(1) Is the real age of a material thing, if it was created supernaturally, what it appears to be? As we will see, the Bible answers this question.
(2) Is it possible to determine the age of any physical thing without first determining whether it was created in time or in eternity?
(3) Were the days of creation, which are described in the first chapter of Genesis, twenty-four hours long, or could they have been much longer?
(4) Is it possible to be truly scientific, if you reject the fact that the earth and its creatures were supernaturally created by God ?ex nihilo? or out of nothing?

So lets have a go at your questions...

 

First, as a scientist, I would have to say the age of the Earth can definitely be 6,000 years ol, as Yes, as a long time missionary, the geneologies show that it is just over 6000 years old including Jacobs Trouble (with Laban) of 21 years)

(1) Is the real age of a material thing, if it was created supernaturally, what it appears to be? As we will see, the Bible answers this question.

 

Id rather you not use the word supernatural, as evolutionists use it in their supernatural theory that violates all the laws that were created in the Beginning. Evolutionists believe in magic and their supernatural theory that violates all the rules and LAWS of Biology and PHYSICS including the Second Law of THERMODYNAMICS. Evolutionists use the word 'natural' as a cop out as if evolution and beneficial mutations are natural. Its word games as that is all they have for proofs, that and intimidation as if science was created by evolution. NO SCIENCE is LAWS is and were created at GENESIS

Age can not be proven, beyond a few thousand years, thats a given. Even radioactive decay is limited with parameters constants that demand no change in the past, which is untrue...And yet Evolutionists deal with billions of years and toss it around and change it at will with their ever changing theories and billion million year approximations. none of which can be proven. They say a fossil is, lets say a billion years old because it is in a layer that is a billion years old. The geologists turn around and say the layer is a billion years old because the evolutionists say the fossils then were a billion years old
 

(2) Is it possible to determine the age of any physical thing without first determining whether it was created in time or in eternity?

In time, means after time was created... time was created by the Lord via light speed.... as it is the barrier between the ETERNAL NOW and the direction of TIME (Entrophy) Evolution contradicts and violates the 2nd Law of THERMODYNAMICS. Creation or the Creator created time, and its by design and corelates to distance, and speeds, as the equation states distance=time x speed. SEE sacred geometry as all speeds, distances, and ytimes are related and are ot separate entities. All things were created to be in harmony and balance. Hyperlinks later if need be for explanation.

 

(3) Were the days of creation, which are described in the first chapter of Genesis, twenty-four hours long, or could they have been much longer?

Remember Light was the first creation, and of course the parameters of Light meaning light speed which puts us in TIME. The Sun and Moon were created which cycles and revolutions gave us the seasons and the solar year, etc... as well as our Earth;s rotation of 24 hours. Yes, the days are exact and are 24 hours... Besides between the arrival of the Suns light for created plants, there obviously were only 24 hours, as they couldnt wait a billion years for the Suns created light to shine on us. SEE Link to Tabernacle of the Sun for its designed distances etc..

 

(4) Is it possible to be truly scientific, if you reject the fact that the earth and its creatures were supernaturally created by God ?ex nihilo? or out of nothing?

To be scientific one has to study the laws of science and proven facts and principles and observations etc etc.... theories are only theories especially when they are unprove-able and untestable as with the unscieitnfic theory of evolution. And your word 'out of nothing' doesnt apply logically to a Creator of everything, because God> Science as He created Science.

Laws are not greater than the one who created all of them (String Theory, TOE etc..) God>Science>all matter

 

In other words, God id MORE than all that He Created... For even if all Creation was destroyed, It would not dimminish His POWER, as He would simply just reCREATE over again... nothing deletes or depletes His POWER as He is all powerful and what He makes is not out of nothing, but from EVERYTHING..

Evolutionists create theories out of nothingness and from simply LUCK and CHANCE. Nothing the Creator has created ever is nothing but is part of the whole Creation as a WHOLE and as a PLAN. The Lord does not go by LUCK and CHANCE but by DESIGN and INTELLIGENCE

 

IHSS (In His Scientific Service

 

David

 

End of past posting I made to objectively challenge the evolution authors posting.... I by error thinking it was John... as it seems Johnwas just the poster of an evolutionists post. Hardly me trying to intentionally degrade John... I have no idea who he was or if he had left. trying to falsely accuse me of defaming John  is rather aggressive...

 

Just ask if you have a question... rather than accuse..

 

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This is a simple matter of respect.

You made a mistake, and it was pointed out to you.

Instead of saying something like "Oh my mistake. I missed that, but the answers are still relevant." which would have been the respectful thing, you instead attacked those who pointed out your mistake.

Now, because I have pointed out your disrespect, you tell me to "Lighten up".

If you want to be treated with respect, then you should probably not be disrespectful to other board members.

 

I have no issue with what you posted about the topic - I actually haven't really read it, because it is an old thread that died a while back, and I am fully confirmed on my stance of evolution/creation.

I was simply addressing the disrespect shown to a member here, and the continuing disrespect shown to two moderators here.

I am happy to leave this right where it is from now on, but please, try to conduct yourself with common decency and good manners.

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Always have always will.. I had no idea, that there were only creationists HERE. I came HERE because I googled a prophecy web discussion board, and noticed my expertise field of creationism, design and science against evolution insanity. So I posted in detail against the author of the article posted, I had no idea that the author was not available and it was just a creationist who posted the article of an evolutionist. I wanted a discussion and stated that most evolutionists run and never stand and stay and answer questions. I agree with that statement and my comment that, evolutionists run from answering questions.

 

I usually say lets get on with the discussion, but as I mentioned, there are no evolutionists HERE to debate, or question.. They are runners.

 

But if you post what you think was offensive, do post it...

 

Allow me to repost, my apparently very offensive posting, that everyone is so upset by..... I found it, Here it is...

Yea tis true as evolutionists almost always run when faced with any kind of scientific opposition...or any questions.

Yup I agree with that as most evolutionists do run from questions, as they have no answers.

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I don't understand why "Christian" evolutionists go OUT OF THEIR WAY to disprove the plain text of scripture that even a child can understand (e.g., "number of creation days" -- literal or not?) This issue is only because certain groups have made it what I call a "hobby-horse issue", that is, something not related to our spiritual growth usually which is invested with tons of "research" and reams of paper to "prove" that everyone else is "wrong". These sorts of things don't even pass the "sniff test", however -- not with any Christian who is growing spiritually and has some spiritual common sense.  The fact that someone is making such a big deal out of proving something a such is generally thought to be the case is a give away that the person is not really that interested in the truth of scripture. 

God Bless!

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On 2/20/2009 at 5:24 PM, John81 said:

Biblical evidence for the claim that the earth is only six thousands years old is hardly conclusive.

I hope no one reads the thread ,  not much anyway.   

With a false start like this from the opening post indicated,  nothing good has resulted,  only much wasted forum space and time reading if someone reads it.  

However, God Willing ,  there actually may be one good thing after all - the poster who may have posted clearly and Biblically the truth near the end/last page of the thread.   I started there, not at the first post or page,  as a result of a search for "thousand post" leading there.    Thankfully, for seeing that true post (still subject to verification if ever to be used) , or I might have just ignored the thread/topic since that's what I normally do when a thread starts with a false premise.

I will sometimes then , more or less frequently,  just post a reply that I read up to that point,  then stopped,  since proceeding with a false premise is not beneficial to anyone as far as I am aware.

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There are fossils of sea creatures in the rocks on some of the highest mountains, but the mountains were created within DAYS. Dinosaurs once roamed the earth, and now they're gone. I haven't figured that out, you haven't either, and we likely never will.

Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. Proverbs 3:5

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What is there to figure out ?  

Nothing contradicts God's Word except what men come up with opposed to Him.

Men who trust the world like bb's posts daily reveal,  live daily in much continuing error.

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Little children who trust our Father in heaven learn from Him and Delight in Him Daily, and in His Word.

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On 8/30/2021 at 12:23 PM, Bouncing Bill said:

The earth is very old.

The Bible is not meant and never was meant to be a science book.

6000 years is, indeed, very old. And yes, genesis is clearly written as to be taken literally. No room or evidence for a gap nor theistic evolution.

Someone mentioned egocentrism in an earlier post, and here is an interesting thought: How do we know that earth ISN'T the center of the universe? Seriously, we don't have the technology to see the ends of the universe from any direction, so how do we know God didn't place Earth directly in the center? I'm not saying it IS, just saying, there's no conceivable proof to say either way.

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6 minutes ago, Ukulelemike said:

6000 years is, indeed, very old. And yes, genesis is clearly written as to be taken literally. No room or evidence for a gap nor theistic evolution.

Someone mentioned egocentrism in an earlier post, and here is an interesting thought: How do we know that earth ISN'T the center of the universe? Seriously, we don't have the technology to see the ends of the universe from any direction, so how do we know God didn't place Earth directly in the center? I'm not saying it IS, just saying, there's no conceivable proof to say either way.

Actually the earth is much older than 6000 years. And, you do realize that there are two creations stories in Genesis.

How do we know we are not the center. We know because we know the shape of our universe and we are not in the center, but out in one of the arms. 

https://www.encyclopedia.com/science/science-magazines/historic-dispute-earth-center-universe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_center_of_the_Universe#Milky_Way's_galactic_center_as_center_of_the_Universe

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On 8/30/2021 at 3:23 PM, Bouncing Bill said:

The Bible is not meant and never was meant to be a science book.

And yet when it does makes scientific statements it is always completely true and accurate and are meant to be accepted by believers as such even when we may not completely understand how it can be reconciled with current secular theories. We must remember as believers, the bible is written with the Spiritual as a distinct and tangible reality. Secular science however must by design start its observation on the lower material realm. 

God starts with all knowledge of both Material and Spiritual but man's knowledge without God's help can only start in that material observations that are often inconsistent and have to be rethought when new and ever complex concepts are discovered. Its foolish to try to redefine what scripter means by the meagerly and inept theories when the Devine has clearly explained to us.

“For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance, he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.” ~ Robert Jastrow, "God and the Astronomers"

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29 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

And, you do realize that there are two creations stories in Genesis.

There is only one of Creation. The second is is specifically of the Garden of Eden, not all of creation. God gave the broad picture in chapter 1 and then narrowed down in chapter 2 to what happened in that specific location.

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13 minutes ago, John Young said:

There is only one of Creation. The second is is specifically of the Garden of Eden, not all of creation. God gave the broad picture in chapter 1 and then narrowed down in chapter 2 to what happened in that specific location.

Yes, but the second describes the creation of Adam and Eve. 

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14 minutes ago, John Young said:

There is only one of Creation. The second is is specifically of the Garden of Eden, not all of creation. God gave the broad picture in chapter 1 and then narrowed down in chapter 2 to what happened in that specific location.

Well, the Bible talks about the 4 corners of the earth. There are no corners. 

Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses No. 3 and 5,…‘Light was created on the first day.’ Genesis, Ch., 1 Verses, 14 to 19… ‘The cause of light - stars and the sun, etc. was created on the fourth day’.  How can the cause of light be created on the 4th day - later than the light which came into existence on the first day? 

King James talks about a unicorn. There has never been a unicorn. 

No, the Bible was never intended to science book. 

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49 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

The order of creation is reversed however.

That's the order of things brought to the garden of Eden and not the order of created things in the  greater world or the universe. Genesis 1 God makes the universe. Genesis 2 the LORD God makes a garden within that same universe with the same first beings and then brings it all there to make the garden. They were not created at that moment but rather brought there.

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13 minutes ago, John Young said:

That's the order of things brought to the garden of Eden and not the order of created things in the  greater world or the universe. Genesis 1 God makes the universe. Genesis 2 the LORD God makes a garden within that same universe with the same first beings and then brings it all there to make the garden. They were not created at that moment but rather brought there.

That is not what Genesis 2:4 states.

"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the heavens and earth."

Note: This verse suggests that God created the heavens and earth in one day. 

Also, note that the verse states nothing about a garden. That comes later.

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9 minutes ago, Bouncing Bill said:

That is not what Genesis 2:4 states.

Gen2:1-7 are concluding and transitioning verses from creation of the world as the subject to man and the garden being the subject.

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58 minutes ago, John Young said:

Gen2:1-7 are concluding and transitioning verses from creation of the world as the subject to man and the garden being the subject.

 

58 minutes ago, John Young said:

Gen2:1-7 are concluding and transitioning verses from creation of the world as the subject to man and the garden being the subject.

I agree. But that does not negate what I said. There are two creation stories and they are different.  But that has nothing to do with the age of the earth. And, as I said, the Bible was never meant to be a science book. 

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