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Bill Gaither and the Southern Gospel Crowd


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And I never shall. Were I to post an exhaustive study on the origins of rock in voodoo and list every satanist in the world, it would not be enough. God has to work because nothing I say will be of any influence.


An exhaustive study actually might be convincing. But I've studied the issue out as well Kevin, and I've arrived to a different conclusion. I have peace about my decision. The only reason I join in this thread is because of the caricatures that are posted of people who listen to Southern Gospel and such. It's NOT that I'm hard-hearted. I didn't arrive to this conclusion lightly. You seem to think that anybody who believes differently regarding this issue isn't right with God. This is a rather erroneous assumption to make. Music in the Bible was frequently with many instruments, including percussion instruments. They had bands up leading the music in worship. As I posted earlier, this comes down to a Romans 14 type deal.
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Suzy, do you think this is at all possible?


I don't know...I wouldn't think music that affects one person badly could actually be good music?

Some people claim that Victoria's Secret ads do not bother them. I don't suppose that means its right for some and not for others?
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A possible explanation for SGM, CCM, rock, country, etc., bothering some and not bothering others.

1Ti 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

I was asked to speak at a church near our home. They sang accapella with traditional hymn books, it was a blessing. I was asked to come back a second time. This time they had a big screen media prepped with a "Praise and Worship" dvd on que. It had rolling green smoke on the screen. My stomach fealt sick. They announced they were going to try this new P&W dvd. They pressed play and WHAM!from the depths of hell came this LOUD rock beat and the words to the beloved old hymn, 'All Hail the Power of Jesus Name.' I was sitting right down front. I stepped into the aisle, my wife stepped out, I said, "Come children," and we walked out the back door. The senior member (they didn't have a pastor, that's why I was there speaking,) came out behind us. He asked, "Is someone ill?" I told him no, but that we teach our children that rock music is sinful. He asked, "But didn't you hear the words?" I said, "Yes, but didn't you hear the music?" He said, "Yes, this music (key point here,)used to bother me, but the more I listened to it, the less it bothered me." He told us we didn't have to come back in and we left.

As we drove away, I asked my children, "Why do you suppose that music quit bothering him the more he listened to it?" My son replied, "His conscience is seared with a hot iron."

Out of the mouth of babes.

America is filled with a form of godliness that denies the power thereof. If has so infiltrated, even the fundamentalist baptist circles, that families are in dismay about where to take there family to keep them from being poluted IN THE CHURCH!

One may dismiss ANY and ALL arguements about this topic, it is your perogative. However, good, strong, very conservative, bible-believing families all over the country say the same thing, "Where (what church) will we raise our family?" My preacher back home said, an excuse is a LIE with the skin of a truth on it.

Since it is wrong for me to listen to Garth Brooks, I can now listen to Southern Gospel Music, same sound, differnet words. I used to listen to Led Zeppelin, but that was wrong, so now I can listen to CCM and Christian rock, same music different words.
So I ask, I used to drink Budweiser beer, can I make up a new cover for it called, JESUS BRAND BEER, and now it is acceptable, because I changed the words, right? No, not right, because I will not be abstaining from the appearance of evil. Nor will you.

Redifine it, change it's words, but it is still the same old snake, that said, "...Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" Go ahead, Katy-Anne, Will, and you others. Eat, it's all yours, all you can eat. Err on the side of gray areas and danger. You have your LIBERTY, don't you?

"...having their conscience seared with a hot iron"

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Not sure how long this thread will go on, but I've said my piece, and I'm sticking to it. No one likes their particular pleasure to be criticized.


John81,
In a sense, some music may be ok for one, and not to another, but not in the broad inclusive way that some people like to think. Our Lord is holy and He has instructed us to be holy....this includes our manner of life and the choices we make. If something appeals to me, for instance, and may even appeal to the friends I have, does that necessarily make it right or wrong? No. Some things are obviously reverent and good, and those are the easy choices. Those more borderline, even worldly things that attract us make it hard sometimes to make the right choices. There is the pull of the flesh that wars with the new man. It's the story of the old dog and the new dog....whichever dog we feed, that's the stronger one and that's the one we tend to listen to.
This is a biblical principle and it's also one I have experienced myself.

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A possible explanation for SGM, CCM, rock, country, etc., bothering some and not bothering others.

1Ti 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

I was asked to speak at a church near our home. They sang accapella with traditional hymn books, it was a blessing. I was asked to come back a second time. This time they had a big screen media prepped with a "Praise and Worship" dvd on que. It had rolling green smoke on the screen. My stomach fealt sick. They announced they were going to try this new P&W dvd. They pressed play and WHAM!from the depths of hell came this LOUD rock beat and the words to the beloved old hymn, 'All Hail the Power of Jesus Name.' I was sitting right down front. I stepped into the aisle, my wife stepped out, I said, "Come children," and we walked out the back door. The senior member (they didn't have a pastor, that's why I was there speaking,) came out behind us. He asked, "Is someone ill?" I told him no, but that we teach our children that rock music is sinful. He asked, "But didn't you hear the words?" I said, "Yes, but didn't you hear the music?" He said, "Yes, this music (key point here,)used to bother me, but the more I listened to it, the less it bothered me." He told us we didn't have to come back in and we left.

As we drove away, I asked my children, "Why do you suppose that music quit bothering him the more he listened to it?" My son replied, "His conscience is seared with a hot iron."

Out of the mouth of babes.

America is filled with a form of godliness that denies the power thereof. If has so infiltrated, even the fundamentalist baptist circles, that families are in dismay about where to take there family to keep them from being poluted IN THE CHURCH!

One may dismiss ANY and ALL arguements about this topic, it is your perogative. However, good, strong, very conservative, bible-believing families all over the country say the same thing, "Where (what church) will we raise our family?" My preacher back home said, an excuse is a LIE with the skin of a truth on it.

Since it is wrong for me to listen to Garth Brooks, I can now listen to Southern Gospel Music, same sound, differnet words. I used to listen to Led Zeppelin, but that was wrong, so now I can listen to CCM and Christian rock, same music different words.
So I ask, I used to drink Budweiser beer, can I make up a new cover for it called, JESUS BRAND BEER, and now it is acceptable, because I changed the words, right? No, not right, because I will not be abstaining from the appearance of evil. Nor will you.

Redifine it, change it's words, but it is still the same old snake, that said, "...Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" Go ahead, Katy-Anne, Will, and you others. Eat, it's all yours, all you can eat. Err on the side of gray areas and danger. You have your LIBERTY, don't you?

"...having their conscience seared with a hot iron"


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A possible explanation for SGM, CCM, rock, country, etc., bothering some and not bothering others.

1Ti 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

I was asked to speak at a church near our home. They sang accapella with traditional hymn books, it was a blessing. I was asked to come back a second time. This time they had a big screen media prepped with a "Praise and Worship" dvd on que. It had rolling green smoke on the screen. My stomach fealt sick. They announced they were going to try this new P&W dvd. They pressed play and WHAM!from the depths of hell came this LOUD rock beat and the words to the beloved old hymn, 'All Hail the Power of Jesus Name.' I was sitting right down front. I stepped into the aisle, my wife stepped out, I said, "Come children," and we walked out the back door. The senior member (they didn't have a pastor, that's why I was there speaking,) came out behind us. He asked, "Is someone ill?" I told him no, but that we teach our children that rock music is sinful. He asked, "But didn't you hear the words?" I said, "Yes, but didn't you hear the music?" He said, "Yes, this music (key point here,)used to bother me, but the more I listened to it, the less it bothered me." He told us we didn't have to come back in and we left.

As we drove away, I asked my children, "Why do you suppose that music quit bothering him the more he listened to it?" My son replied, "His conscience is seared with a hot iron."

Out of the mouth of babes.

America is filled with a form of godliness that denies the power thereof. If has so infiltrated, even the fundamentalist baptist circles, that families are in dismay about where to take there family to keep them from being poluted IN THE CHURCH!

One may dismiss ANY and ALL arguements about this topic, it is your perogative. However, good, strong, very conservative, bible-believing families all over the country say the same thing, "Where (what church) will we raise our family?" My preacher back home said, an excuse is a LIE with the skin of a truth on it.

Since it is wrong for me to listen to Garth Brooks, I can now listen to Southern Gospel Music, same sound, differnet words. I used to listen to Led Zeppelin, but that was wrong, so now I can listen to CCM and Christian rock, same music different words.
So I ask, I used to drink Budweiser beer, can I make up a new cover for it called, JESUS BRAND BEER, and now it is acceptable, because I changed the words, right? No, not right, because I will not be abstaining from the appearance of evil. Nor will you.

Redifine it, change it's words, but it is still the same old snake, that said, "...Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" Go ahead, Katy-Anne, Will, and you others. Eat, it's all yours, all you can eat. Err on the side of gray areas and danger. You have your LIBERTY, don't you?

"...having their conscience seared with a hot iron"


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When did I say anything about southern gospel? Everybody who's getting defensive about their southern gospel music is pulling that out of my posts. Those posts deal with rock(a repetitive rock beat) which can be present in any genre including southern gospel. And I didn't say they couldn't be blessed by God, but that the listeners are opening themselves up to Satanic influence. The rock beat is clearly sensual which is why it is so addicting and oftentimes harder for a guy to give up than a girl. Just like the sensual pleasure derived from pornography is more of a struggle for guys.


Kevin this is a thread about Southern Gospel music and if you are saying the it is associated with rock music then yes you are saying that it is wrong. That is what I am getting out of your posts. So if that is what you are saying do you believe that a church that sings, plays, or has groups like the Ball Brothers come in, are in sin and cannot be blessed by God or are they right with God and being blessed?
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Kevin this is a thread about Southern Gospel music and if you are saying the it is associated with rock music then yes you are saying that it is wrong. That is what I am getting out of your posts. So if that is what you are saying do you believe that a church that sings, plays, or has groups like the Ball Brothers come in, are in sin and cannot be blessed by God or are they right with God and being blessed?


Why do I feel like I'm being trapped... :roll:

I'm saying most southern gospel. I clearly stated several times that it was the driving rock beat and it does characterize much of today's southern gospel.

I don't know who the "Ball Brothers" are but where would you get that I ever said that they would not be blessed of God? I believe listening to sensual music is a sin so those who willfully chose to listen to it would be in sin for that action. And no, I don't believe God blesses ungodly music. Apparently there are traditional southern gospel groups and so I don't label them as a whole. I label the rock beat as a whole as being wrong and any music, of whatever genre, that contains it would be wrong.
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Why do I feel like I'm being trapped... :roll:

I'm saying most southern gospel. I clearly stated several times that it was the driving rock beat and it does characterize much of today's southern gospel.

I don't know who the "Ball Brothers" are but where would you get that I ever said that they would not be blessed of God? I believe listening to sensual music is a sin so those who willfully chose to listen to it would be in sin for that action. And no, I don't believe God blesses ungodly music. Apparently there are traditional southern gospel groups and so I don't label them as a whole. I label the rock beat as a whole as being wrong and any music, of whatever genre, that contains it would be wrong.


I am not trying to trap you. I am trying to understand were you are coming from. The Ball Brothers are a group of brothers from nothern GA. If you want to look at their website pm me and i will give it to you.
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That's okay, I found their website and was immediately greeted by a song(good words) that was obviously rock. I didn't have to stay long, I left that kind of music and when I hear it I can immediately sense it in my spirit regardless of the words. There was a definite rock beat.

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That's okay, I found their website and was immediately greeted by a song(good words) that was obviously rock. I didn't have to stay long, I left that kind of music and when I hear it I can immediately sense it in my spirit regardless of the words. There was a definite rock beat.


See here is where I would disagree with you. And I think alot would. We have had this family at our church for several years and probably will continue to do so.
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