Members Rosie Posted November 30, 2014 Members Share Posted November 30, 2014 Hmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members 2bLikeJesus Posted November 30, 2014 Members Share Posted November 30, 2014 The Bible doesn't say the Ethiopian woman was black. In those days the higher officials often were from other nations, thus her race and ethnicity is unknown.  Also, the assumed "racial tension" may not have been the case, as it was considered a violation for any Jew to marry any non-Jew.  Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft and witchcraft carried the punishment of death, which makes clear how serious such was/is.  Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live is often cited by witches/wiccans as an example of Christian intolerance and a sign they are a persecuted class deserving of special favor.  Indeed, though God named this planet (Genesis 1:10), the wicked have come up with their own false gods of Mother Earth and Mother Nature and they exploit these to full effect.  I let the bible define it's own terms.  I do not go down the path of "surely God didn't mean that, there must be some other explanation".   Jeremiah 13:23 (KJV) 23  Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.  The bible does not say this woman was "from" Ethiopia.  It calls her an Ethiopian and the only time that term is defined it describes skin color.  To try and rationalize it by saying that "maybe God meant she was some non-black ruler or high level official from Ethiopia' and not the plain interpretation of Ethiopian provided in His word is a dangerous and slippery path I never go down.   The very first attack on God by Satan that is recorded in scripture has Satan casting doubt on the word of God.   Genesis 3:4-5 (KJV) 4  And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:5  For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.  Satan called God a deceptive liar, or your interpretation of what He plainly said must be wrong.  What God "really meant was"... DaveW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted November 30, 2014 Members Share Posted November 30, 2014 I let the bible define it's own terms.  I do not go down the path of "surely God didn't mean that, there must be some other explanation".   Jeremiah 13:23 (KJV) 23  Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.  The bible does not say this woman was "from" Ethiopia.  It calls her an Ethiopian and the only time that term is defined it describes skin color.  To try and rationalize it by saying that "maybe God meant she was some non-black ruler or high level official from Ethiopia' and not the plain interpretation of Ethiopian provided in His word is a dangerous and slippery path I never go down.   The very first attack on God by Satan that is recorded in scripture has Satan casting doubt on the word of God.   Genesis 3:4-5 (KJV) 4  And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:5  For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.  Satan called God a deceptive liar, or your interpretation of what He plainly said must be wrong.  What God "really meant was"... The Bible doesn't mention the skin color, race or ethnicity of the Ethiopian, only their national affiliation. Just as after the Ptolomy's began their ruling dynasty in Egypt they were known as Egyptians, so too were those in the royal courts of the various nations known by the name of that nation.  Was Moses' Ethiopian wife black? Maybe, maybe not, we don't know because the Holy Ghost didn't deem it an important factor to mention.  What we do know is that Jews marrying non-Jews was considered unacceptable. That makes this the most likely point of contention regarding Moses taking an Ethiopian wife. Also, in the overall context it seems Miriam's real complain had to to with power and recognition; the wife issue was simply a convenient point to attack to set the stage for her real complaint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted November 30, 2014 Members Share Posted November 30, 2014 (Remember, not all the nations and peoples of that time were known by the same names as today nor were they all located in the same places as today)   12:1-9 The patience of Moses was tried in his own family, as well as by the people. The pretence was, that he had married a foreign wife; but prOBably their pride was hurt, and their envy stirred up, by his superior authority. Matthew Henry   for there is no reason to believe he was married before he went to Midian; nor was this some Ethiopian woman he had married since, and but lately, Zipporah being dead or divorced, as some have fancied; but it was Zipporah herself, as Aben Ezra, Ben Melech, and so the Jerusalem Targum, which represents her not as truly an Ethiopian, but so called, because she was like to one; indeed she was really one; not a native of Ethiopia, the country of the Abyssines, but she was a Cushite, a native of Arabia Chusea, in which country Midian was, from whence she came; hence the tents, of Cushan, and the curtains of Midian, are spoken of together, Habakkuk 3:7. Now it was not on account of Moses's marriage with her that they spoke against him, for that was an affair transacted in Midian some years ago, which at first sight may seem to be the case. Gill   Nu 12:1-9. Miriam's and Aaron's Sedition. 1. an Ethiopian woman—Hebrew, "a Cushite woman"—Arabia was usually called in Scripture the land of Cush, its inhabitants being descendants of that son of Ham (see on [77]Ex 2:15) and being accounted generally a vile and contemptible race (see on [78]Am 9:7). The occasion of this seditious outbreak on the part of Miriam and Aaron against Moses was the great change made in the government by the adoption of the seventy rulers [Nu 11:16]. Their irritating disparagement of his wife (who, in all prOBability, was Zipporah [Ex 2:21], and not a second wife he had recently married) arose from jealousy of the relatives, through whose influence the innovation had been first made (Ex 18:13-26), while they were overlooked or neglected. Miriam is mentioned before Aaron as being the chief instigator and leader of the sedition. Jamieson-Fassett-Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted November 30, 2014 Members Share Posted November 30, 2014 About 80% of the animals found in Madagascar do not exist anywhere else on Earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted December 1, 2014 Members Share Posted December 1, 2014 The U.S. has a greater percentage of its population in jail than any other country in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted December 1, 2014 Members Share Posted December 1, 2014 There are between 75 and 100 million AK-47 rifles worldwide – That's 1 for every 60 people on earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ThePilgrim Posted December 1, 2014 Members Share Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) In 2007, it was ESTIMATED that there are ABOUT 875 million firearms in the world, of which ABOUT 270 million are in the US. There are about 1,135 companies world wide that make about 8 million firearms a year. Divide that by 7.125 billion people and you get: Â one weapon for each 8.14 people. Â So keep your heads down. Edited December 1, 2014 by ThePilgrim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted December 2, 2014 Members Share Posted December 2, 2014 America is the worlds largest arms supplier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ThePilgrim Posted December 2, 2014 Members Share Posted December 2, 2014 One of our famous politicians, Warren G. Harding said, "The business of America is business." Â Well I guess one of those business' is selling arms to anyone who can afford to buy them. Â And if they don't have the cash they can always borrow it from the banks, they seem to have an endless supply. Â Another famous politician, Neville Chamberlain I believe, said "peace in our time." Â Yeah, right! John81 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted December 2, 2014 Members Share Posted December 2, 2014 America has the highest number of serial killers in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted December 2, 2014 Members Share Posted December 2, 2014 If we took the amount of money spent on the Iraq war in 2006, we could feed every child in the world, twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators HappyChristian Posted December 2, 2014 Administrators Share Posted December 2, 2014 It's no more America's responsibility to feed the children of the world than it is to arm it...Let's not turn this into an anti-America thread, guys. Â Moving on.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ThePilgrim Posted December 2, 2014 Members Share Posted December 2, 2014 My post was not meant to be anti-American, just anti-Amerikan. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators HappyChristian Posted December 2, 2014 Administrators Share Posted December 2, 2014 I understand...but when post after post goes in the same vein, that's what it becomes. Surely there are more random facts than just bad stuff about America... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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