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      James Foley
       
      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

I am all about submission, but oh my word!!!!


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These words be what I replied to.

<<"Some women obviously do not view spanking as degrading.">>

Which was written by Annie.

My purpose was that it really does not make no difference what some women think is degrading Some women not thinking acting in porn movies is just as valid as that statement.

Jerry, my point was that the only reason that has been given for thinking that "consensual wife spanking" (my weirdo term for the equally weird practice) is sinful is that most people consider it to be degrading. Remove that objection, and there is nothing else to go on (at least nothing else posted here). So...if the only objection to the practice is that many people consider it to be degrading, then why is it sinful to those who do not consider it to be degrading?

With porn, Scripture is clear as day: lust for someone who is not your spouse--which is the only purpose of porn--is flat-out forbidden and condemned in many, many passages. Yes, it is degrading to women, but that's not the thing that makes it wrong (or at least not the only possible objection to it). So, your porn analogy isn't really relevant to this topic. (There is no Scripture which addresses "consensual wife spanking," as opposed to many, many which address lusting, coveting your neighbor's wife, etc.)
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Would "husband spanking" also be as degrading and sinful?

No -it would be reversing roles of who is supposed to be in charge! and deep down--wierd and gross but that part is my opininon!-This entire discussusion has been very strange to me! :2cents Pixiedust
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My purpose was that it really does not make no difference what some women think is degrading Some women not thinking acting in porn movies is just as valid as that statement.

Which the purpose of my statement is that God's Word is all that counts, it is our Instruction Book, it alone, not what some women think and are what some person has written.

So being as this Instruction Book, The Holy Bible, was written by God for all man thru all ages many things are not specifically mentioned as being right or wrong, but if we will study the Bible, we can learn right from wrong, and come to a conclusion on whether those questionable things are right or wrong for us. Saying its ok because its not in the Bible is not the way to make a decision whether something is right or wrong for us to partake of.

Yeah, I get that. When you replied to me, you said:

I stated a truth about porn, if you don't like it, that's fine, don't pay it no mind and leave it along.

Bluebirds are blue, and this is truth, but it means nothing in this conversation. This, however, is what both of my posts were trying to say, on behalf of Annie.
With porn, Scripture is clear as day: lust for someone who is not your spouse--which is the only purpose of porn--is flat-out forbidden and condemned in many, many passages. Yes, it is degrading to women, but that's not the thing that makes it wrong (or at least not the only possible objection to it). So, your porn analogy isn't really relevant to this topic. (There is no Scripture which addresses "consensual wife spanking," as opposed to many, many which address lusting, coveting your neighbor's wife, etc.)

Saying something is in the Bible is not as convincing as showing where it is in the instructions manual.
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I'm thinking that this site is done by Christians who want to justify their kink! It's too bad they have to make claims that their intimate preferences are at the direction of Lord. Why don't they just admit they like this stuff in the bouduair and leave it at that. It's really nobody's business anyway.


I just read this thread and I have to say it is very strange. I agree with the above quoted post. If it is consensual and a part of a married couples private intimacy with one another (which is what I suspect is behind the practice) then why do they think they have to make some claim of Godly justification. If they're married, its consensual and they enjoy it, then keep it behind the bedroom door. No harm, no foul, and no need to make unbiblical claims regarding it.
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I don't think Jerry was doing that much leaping...


Not in his proclaiming of righteousness, but in his analogy - yes he was.

A few years ago a "famous" porn actress, who is the daughter of a preacher, said in an interview that she is a Christian...


Yes, and I could also say that I'm a bodybuilder, but that doesn't make it true.

True enough, her arguments could be shot down, but the point is that this woman truly believes what she's saying and she's not alone.


Yes, they could be "shot down" because Scripture is openly and obviously against that lifestyle. Annie's question was WHERE did Scripture condemn the subject of this thread. It doesn't matter what someone truly believes because the only foundation of truth is found in God's Word, and therefore is not relative to opinion or personal belief. It is a common practice for Christians to say "Well the Bible's agin' it!" and not be able to show where it is, exactly. With porn, you and I (and anyone with half of a brain for reading-comprehension) could go to a multitude of passages and point out the sin. It is not so readily obvious with the subject at hand. Ergo Annie's question and a flawed analogy.

In any event, I don't think Jerry was going too far out there with what he said.


So you said. :Green
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If marriage is a picture of Christ and his Bride the church' date=' how would this activity fit into that picture?[/quote']

Now THAT is a good analogy. :smile
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Isn't the church chastened when they are disobedient, though? I'm sure that if you spoke with a CD follower, they would remind us that we are chastened when we disobey the Lord. We are children of the Heavenly King, and we are the Bride of Christ.

Vir is right there is no scripture that condemns this. If someone wants to do this in the privacy of their own bedroom, we really have nothing to gainsay it with - because if it were private, we wouldn't know, right? But it has been made very public, and these people obviously want converts...else, why put it on the internet?

I think if we look closely at scripture, we would find principles in the relationship between husband and wife that would show us that this isn't a wise course of action. Simply look at the verse that tells the husband to love his wife as himself...how many of you men spank yourselves? None, of course. How many of the CD men spank themselves? We would most likely be pretty safe in assuming that the same ratio holds - none!
I know it's my personal opinion, but it's based on studying the husband/wife relationship in scripture for many years. CCD just doesn't fit! Especially publicized, bragged about CD.
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Christian "liberty" is primarily used as a reason for professing Christians to both do and enjoy things that are obviously unwise, but not explicitly condemned in the Bible.

Our liberty is in Christ. We are free from the bonds of sin to bring glory to God-- not free from rules, principles, and commandments (given by God) to be participants in the foolishness of this world. :2cents

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I do not agree with this. I do not believe it to be truth as they so put it. Truth can be supported with God's Word (KJV)
I noticed they did not provide any supporting scripture to their so called truth. No where have I read where it is alright to beat your wife. Even when they referred to scripture it did not have that referencing verse written. As well they were not will to defend their views to anyone. only answer the questions of those who wanted more information.

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Question only! If we all agree this isn't how a husband should discpline his wife. Then what does a husband do --Biblically--to discipline his wife? Maybe she doesn't think it's needed and he does. Wouldn't it be wrong not to submt to the discipline--if Biblical. Because it was Eve that was decieved not Adam.

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For those who seem to think that this is not condemned by scripture, take the following in the context it was give and decide for yourselves if it is "covered by scripture".

1 Peter 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

Do you beat your sister for her faults?? It's the same thing. Your wife is your sister.

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5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

----inordinate affection would include this disgusting act if it is being used as a manner of sexual perversion as some of you have suggested --

6 For which things sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
9 Lie not one to another

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