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[quote="Brother Parrish"]LOL, so I guess you guys are the big Ron Paul supporters here?
I like his stand on abortion but doesn't Paul want to legalize drugs like heroin and meth?
http://www.totse.com/en/drugs/legal_iss ... _paul.html[/quote]

What he actually wants to do is end the War on Drugs, because it is costing us millions of dollars and it isn't working. http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/?ta ... On%20Drugs

He sees Drug Addiction as a Health problem - throwing addicts into jail because they are addicted to drugs does not resolve the problem, because when they get out they are STILL addicted to the very drugs that got them jailed in the first place - this has lead to a revolving door legal system. He wants to turn drug addicts over to the health care specialists and treat it as the medical condition that it really is.

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[quote="IM4given"][quote="Brother Parrish"]LOL, so I guess you guys are the big Ron Paul supporters here?
I like his stand on abortion but doesn't Paul want to legalize drugs like heroin and meth?
http://www.totse.com/en/drugs/legal_iss ... _paul.html[/quote]

What he actually wants to do is end the War on Drugs, because it is costing us millions of dollars and it isn't working. http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/?ta ... On%20Drugs

He sees Drug Addiction as a Health problem - throwing addicts into jail because they are addicted to drugs does not resolve the problem, because when they get out they are STILL addicted to the very drugs that got them jailed in the first place - this has lead to a revolving door legal system. He wants to turn drug addicts over to the health care specialists and treat it as the medical condition that it really is.[/quote]

He wants to end it by legalizing dangerous narcotics?
America needs more leaders not more addicts, brother!
Maybe you missed this part of his letter, scroll down and read it:

[b][size=150]The Case for Drug Legalization[/size]
by Ron Paul, MD[/b]

then scroll down to
DESIGNER DRUGS and notice the last question:

"But what if the feds could seal the borders tight, and prevent the
domestic cultivation of all illegal plants? We would see a massive increase
in an already visible trend: "Designer Drugs."

These chemically engineered artificial substances are up to 6,000 times
as strong as morphine, and their toxic effects are bizarre and unpredictable.
They are far more dangerous than heroin or cocaine, yet the government is in
effect stimulating their production by focusing on their competition.

Unlike natural narcotics, a few pounds of designer drugs could supply
the entire U.S. market for a year. And they can be manufactured by the same
clandestine chemists who now extract morphine from opium and convert morphine
to heroin. What if We Tried Legalization?"

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[quote]I have found his personal behaviour to be very un-Christ like - he lies, cheats and steal, and who knows what all else about him that only God knows about?[/quote]

I do believe that he is our brother in Christ. Any candidate that holds fast to Christian beliefs is going to severely criticized. But this is to be expected. The fact still remains that it is his constitutional right to do so.
I thank God that we finally have someone in to stand up and say that our children be taught in the public schools that there are other views of creation.

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Well' date=' it's a free country, and I respect your right to vote for him, but personally I could never vote for someone who wants to legalize harmful drugs or make them easier to obtain! To me that is not a Christian thing to do![/quote']

The Federal government has no Constitutional authority to be in the business of regulating drugs. Such belongs to the States.

Legalizing drugs doesn't mean making them more available. There are many legal drugs already in this country that are very highly regulated and controlled.
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Normally when I have this debate, it's with pot head liberals, I'm kinda surprised that you folks would want to take up this argument for legalizing harmful drugs. America needs more leaders not pot heads!

"Legalization has been tried before?and failed miserably. Alaska?s experiment with Legalization in the 1970s led to the state?s teens using marijuana at more than twice the rate of other youths nationally. This led Alaska?s residents to vote to re-criminalize marijuana in 1990."

"Crime, violence and drug use go hand in hand. Six times as many homicides are committed by people under the influence of drugs, as by those who are looking for money to buy drugs. Most drug crimes aren?t committed by people trying to pay for drugs; they?re committed by people on drugs."

"The Legalization Lobby claims drugs are no more dangerous than alcohol. But drunk driving is one of the primary killers of Americans."

"The Legalization Lobby claims that the ?European Model? of the drug problem is successful. However, since legalization of marijuana in Holland, heroin addiction levels have tripled..."
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/demand/speakout/index.html

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Legalizing Drugs Makes Matters Worse
By James Q. Wilson

"When I mentioned in my last column that our federal (and many state) drug laws were irrational, I was immediately greeted with the demand that we solve the problem by legalizing drugs.

If only things were so simple. The central problem with legalizing drugs is that it will increase drug consumption under almost any reasonable guess as to what the legalization (or more modestly, the decriminalization) regime would look like. The debate, I think, must be between those who admit this increase and then explain why they would find it tolerable and those who admit the increase and find it intolerable.

Illegal drugs--and here I refer chiefly to cocaine, heroin, PCP, and methamphetamine--have three prices that are much higher than what they would be if the sale were legal.

First, under legalization the cash price would be lower. No one knows by how much, but the most cautious scholar says by a factor of three, the boldest one says by a factor of 20. Now take a powerfully addictive substance, one that not only operates on but modifies the human brain by producing compelling effects that often can only be achieved again by increasing the dosage, and ask how many more people would buy it if its cash price were only 30 percent or even 5 percent of its current price. Unless you think that everybody who wants the drug is already using it, a most unlikely possibility, then the answer must be--a lot.

Second, under legalization the quality price would be lower. Drugs are now purchased in most cases from people who offer no meaningful promise of quality. You can buy cocaine or heroin that has been cut five times or 20 times, and cut with sugar or rat poison. The Food and Drug Administration does not require accurate labeling, and unless you are a repeat customer, you probably have no idea what you are getting. Feel like taking a chance? Buy a drug from the furtive fellow on the street corner.

Third, under legalization the search price would be zero. You would not have to search or run risks of being mugged or arrested. Maybe you would be able to buy it in the local pharmacy, but you would get it from some dealer operating in the open with no risk to you.

The effect of cutting prices will be three fold:
it will dramaticallyh increase the number of users;
this increase will be permanent,
[Note this point is made obliquely and not directly in current draft.]
and many aspects of society will be profoundly impacted by the drug-incapacitated persons, for example,
needing welfare,
causing traffic deaths, and
ruining marriages.

Cut all of these three prices--the cash cost, the risk of not getting a decent quality, and the absence of searching and running risks--and the total price reduction would not be by a factor of 20 but probably by a factor of 50.

Consumption will go up dramatically.

Now what happens? Here is where the only meaningful debate can exist. Do you think that there will be a decrease in drug crime? Maybe--if the crime committed by users seeking money to buy drugs and the dealers protecting their right to sell drugs falls by an amount greater than the increase in crime committed by addicted users who are no longer capable of holding a job. Not all coke or heroin addicts are incapacitated, but a significant fraction--perhaps one-fifth, perhaps more--are. Say we have 1 million users now, with 200,000 of them so dependent on the drug that they are useless for any activity, including holding a job. Now suppose after legalization we have 5 million users, with 1 million totally zonked.

We can support the 1 million on welfare, though I think the political chance of that is utterly remote. Or we can let them fend for themselves by stealing. They may well steal more than the 200,000 steal when the price of drugs is much higher. Take a guess. But remember that after we create the 1 million, we can't turn the clock back. We shall have them forever.

Or to take another example. Suppose we have 15,000 people killed by drunken drivers. How many will be killed by coke- or heroin-addicted drivers if access to those products becomes as easy as access to alcohol is now? There is no way to tell, but it would be foolish to assume that the number would be trivial.

Or ask how many marriages, now afflicted by alcoholism, will be afflicted by drug abuse when drugs become legal. Or how many pregnancies that now are harmed by fetal alcohol syndrome will be harmed by fetal drug syndrome.

Recall also that most people in drug treatment are there because of some form of coercion. Very few walk in on their own. Take away coercion, and you take away treatment for all but a few burned-out addicts.

John Stuart Mill, the father of modern libertarians, argued that people can only restrict the freedom of another for their self-protection, and society can only exert power over its members against their will in order to prevent harm to others. I think that the harm to others from drug legalization will be greater than the harm--and it is a great harm--that now exists from keeping these drugs illegal."

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So my two previous posts have refuted this pro-drug argument.
We see the impact of alcohol and tobacco on our nation and our youth, it's not a secret!
Making MORE harmful substances cheaper and easier to get will only create more addicts!

I have brought this up with Ron Paul supporters before, and I think you voters need to stop putting your political preferences before the good of the nation. Now, you are the ones who came on a thread I started about a Genesis comment, attacking Huckabee, who is a man I don't even know if I will vote for.

It's kind of moot, because Paul doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hades of getting the nomination.
But with Ron Paul supporters, there always seems to be this peculiar view about making harmful narcotics legal, more readily available, and at a lower cost. It's amazing to me that anyone who calls themselves a Christian could have this pro-drug, anti-enforcment view. It seems anti-Christian to me, practically evil, to suggest we start making harmful narcotics legal, more readily available, and at a lower cost.

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I have to say that this drug thing is a sticking point for me with Paul, as well. It's all well and good to say that the states should handle things like this (and this is not mentioned in the Constitution), but I do believe some kind of measures ought to be taken by the Federal govt....and legalization is not one! People claim that stopping Prohibition stopped a lot of drinking - bunk! When something like this is legal, it is more available.

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