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      I Corinthians 11:17-34: "Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's Supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come."

      INTRODUCTION

      Historic Baptists, true Baptists, have believed in and still believe in closed communion. Baptists impose upon themselves the same restrictions that they impose on others concerning the Lord’s Supper. Baptists have always insisted that it is the Lord’s Table, not theirs; and He alone has the right to say who shall sit at His table. No amount of so called brotherly love, or ecumenical spirit, should cause us to invite to His table those who have not complied with the requirements laid down plainly in His inspired Word. With respect to Bible doctrines we must always use the scripture as our guide and practice. For Baptists, two of the most important doctrines are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper. These are the only two doctrines we recognize as Church Ordinances. The Bible is very clear in teaching how these doctrines are to be practiced and by whom.

      We only have two ordinances that we must never compromise or we risk our very existence, they are Baptism and The Lord’s Supper.

      The moment we deviate from the precise method God has prescribed we have started down the slippery slope of error. True Baptists have held fast to the original doctrine of The Lord’s Supper from the time of Christ and the Apostles.

      Unfortunately, in this day of what the Bible describes as the age of luke warmness, Baptists are becoming careless in regard to strictly following the pattern laid out for us in Scripture. Many of our Bible colleges are graduating otherwise sincere, Godly and dedicated pastors and teachers who have not been taught the very strict, biblical requirements that surround the Lord’s Supper. Any Bible college that neglects to teach its students the differences surrounding Closed Communion, Close Communion and Open Communion is not simply short changing its students; it is also not equipping their students to carry on sound Bible traditions. The result is men of God and churches that fall into error. And as we will see, this is serious error.

      Should we as Baptists ignore the restrictions made by our Lord and Master? NO! When we hold to the restrictions placed upon the Lord’s Supper by our Master, we are defending the "faith which was once delivered to the saints" Jude 3.

      The Lord’s Supper is rigidly restricted and I will show this in the following facts:

      IT IS RESTRICTED AS TO PLACE

      A. I Corinthians 11:18 says, "When ye come together in the church." This does not mean the church building; they had none. In other words, when the church assembles. The supper is to be observed by the church, in church capacity. Again this does not mean the church house. Ekklesia, the Greek word for church, means assembly. "When ye come together in the church," is when the church assembles.

      B. When we say church we mean an assembly of properly baptized believers. Acts 2:41-42: "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

      The church is made up of saved people who are baptized by immersion. In the Bible, belief precedes baptism. That’s the Bible way.

      Acts 8:12-13, "But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done."

      When we say properly baptized, we mean immersed. No unbeliever should take the Lord’s supper, and no non-immersed believer should take the supper. Those who are sprinkled are not baptized and cannot receive the supper. The Greek word for baptize is baptizo, and it always means to immerse.

      "In every case where communion is referred to, or where it may possibly have been administered, the believers had been baptized Acts 2:42; 8:12; 8:38; 10:47; 6:14-15; 18:8; 20:7. Baptism comes before communion, just as repentance and faith precede baptism".

      C. The Lord’s Supper is for baptized believers in church capacity: "When ye come together in the church," again not a building, but the assembly of the properly baptized believers.

      D. The fact that the Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, to be observed in church capacity, is pointed out by the fact that it is for those who have been immersed and added to the fellowship of the church.

      E. The Lord’s Supper is never spoken of in connection with individuals. When it is referred to, it is only referred to in reference to baptized believers in local church capacity I Cor. 11:20-26).

      I want to quote Dr. W.W. Hamilton,

      "The individual administration of the ordinance has no Bible warrant and is a relic of Romanism. The Lord’s Supper is a church ordinance, and anything which goes beyond or comes short of this fails for want of scriptural example or command".

      “The practice of taking a little communion kit to hospitals, nursing homes, etc. is unscriptural and does not follow the scriptural example.”

      IT IS RESTRICTED TO A UNITED CHURCH

      A. The Bible in I Cor. 11:18 is very strong in condemning divisions around the Lord’s table. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.
      19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
      20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

      There were no less than four divisions in the Corinthian church.
      I Cor. 1:12: "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ."

      Because of these divisions, it was impossible for them to scripturally eat the Lord’s Supper. Division in the local church is reason to hold off observing the Lord’s Supper. But there are also other reasons to forego taking the Lord’s Supper. If there is gross sin in the membership we do not take it. Here is scriptural evidence for this: 1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:
      8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
      10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

      B. At this point, I want to ask these questions: Are there not doctrinal divisions among the many denominations? Is it not our doctrinal differences that cause us to be separate religious bodies?

      IT IS RESTRICTED BY DOCTRINE

      A. Those in the early church at Jerusalem who partook "continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine" Acts 2:42. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

      B. Those that do not hold to apostolic truth are not to partake. This means there is to be discipline in the local body. How can you discipline those who do not belong to the local body? You can’t. The clear command of scripture is to withdraw fellowship from those who are not doctrinally sound.

      II Thes 3:6: "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us."
      Rom. 16:17: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."
      To commune together means to have the same doctrine.
      II Thes. 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
      II John 10-11: "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

      C. Some Baptists in our day have watered down this doctrine by practicing what they call “Close Communion.” By this they mean that they believe that members of another Baptist church may take communion with us because they are of the same beliefs. Once again, this is unscriptural.

      The welcome to the Lord's Table should not be extended beyond the discipline of the local church. When we take the Lord’s Supper there is supposed to be no gross sin among us and no divisions among us. We have no idea of the spiritual condition of another church’s members. If there is sin or division in the case of this other church’s members, we have no way of knowing it. We cannot discipline them because they are not members of our church. This is why we practice “Closed” communion, meaning it is restricted solely to our church membership. 
      So then, in closing I would like to reiterate the three different ideas concerning the Lord’s Supper and who is to take it. 
      Closed Communion = Only members of a single local church. 
      Close Communion = Members of like faith and order may partake. 
      Open Communion = If you claim to be a Christian, or simply attending the service, you may partake. 
      It is no small thing to attempt to change that which was implemented by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 
      Mt. 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. 
      Many of our Baptist churches have a real need to consider the gravity of the act of observing The Lord’s Supper. It is not a light thing that is to be taken casually or without regard to the spiritual condition of ourselves or our church.
      1Co. 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

       28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

       29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

       30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

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I'm going to try just one more time, trying to point you to Holy Scriptures where the answers lie to your questions which have already been answered.

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Where and when did this take place at? "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?" When God laid the foundation of the world.

Who was with God at that time? "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" The morning star and the sons of God. Check out and find who the morning star & the sons of God and you will have your answer. By the way, at that time God had not created Adam, so it could not have been men, humans, present with Him. Hint, sons of God are angels.


This passage is in figurative language, Jerry.
Once again, "Planet Earth" has no cornerstone. It is a spheroid planet. The center core is also spheroid; There are no corners in a ball. Find you a Christian geologist and ask him.

Could it be that....And I'm only asking OK???
Could it be that these verses are telling us......

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Foundations appears to be faith Psalm 11:3, Psalm 82:5, Isaiah 51:16
Earth is the heart or body of a man; I'm not sure which yet.

Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
A line appears to speak of Judgement. does God judge planet earth? Or will He judge us?
Does measures speak of truth?

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Our faith(foundations) is fastened on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is the cornerstone.
The Bible also says he will be the "head of the corner" and the "chief cornerstone".
A "head of the corner" is laid on TOP of two intersection walls.
Somebody tell me when Jesus becomes the "head of the corner".

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Isn't it true that all the sons of God have not shouted for joy yet?

Before getting mad at me or dismissing it altogether, could someone help me study this out?
It would help by knowing what these types mean.
Foundations
Earth
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Cornerstone
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Before getting mad at me or dismissing it altogether, could someone help me study this out?
It would help by knowing what these types mean.


The rest of the passage is literal - referring to creation - why should we believe these verses are symbolic?

Also:

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Where were you when I did this? That tells me it is referring to some past event - not some future prophecy or event that had not happened yet. Otherwise God would have said, "Where will you be when..."
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Hi heartstrings,

You know I believe Job 38 is speaking of Creation and I understand your frustration because you believe the passage is figurative but something just occured to me this time around... :Green

You are right; the earth does not have a cornerstone and its foundations aren't fastened to anything.

That was God's whole point.

NO ONE laid anything out and measured before building. NO ONE laid a cornerstone in order to build the earth. NO ONE had to fasten the foundations of the earth so that they wouldn't move.

When man builds something, he has to do all these things. God, however, does not. This is so beautiful! :clap:

God is saying to Job, "I am all powerful; I created the earth with my voice [not with tape rulers and cornerstones]. Where were YOU when I did all this???" We know the earth hangs on nothing at all. It is kept in its place by God's power.

God was putting Job in his place because Job had begun questioning why God would allow all those bad things to happen to him.

In the middle of God's questioning, He gives us a scientific tidbit - stars sing. (Scientists now are finding this out.) Then he also mentions that the sons of God shouted for joy - His created ones, not inanimate objects, not animals and not human either but still beings that had the power to choose to love and worship Him or to rebel as did Lucifer and much like man did later. Yes, His angels shouted for joy at the wonder they beheld as they had the privilege of watching all this take place. I can only hope that one day in Heaven, God will allow us some kind of DVD feature where we can watch what happened. :clap::clap: :clap:

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Its neat, it gives us a glimpse during the time God was creating all of this that He did not include in the account given to us in Genesis.

No doubt, God put Job right in his place, which we all know that He can do with us today.

But what a happy event, occasion that was, the angels shouting & singing with joy reminds me of this verses. OH, I'm not connecting these verses, but I posting both of them below.

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job 38:7 (KJV)

7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

Luke 15:7 (KJV)

Just think, this also gives us a glimpse of joyous occasions we will get to experience in heaven one day.

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Hi heartstrings,

You know I believe Job 38 is speaking of Creation and I understand your frustration because you believe the passage is figurative but something just occured to me this time around... :Green

You are right; the earth does not have a cornerstone and its foundations aren't fastened to anything.

That was God's whole point.

NO ONE laid anything out and measured before building. NO ONE laid a cornerstone in order to build the earth. NO ONE had to fasten the foundations of the earth so that they wouldn't move.

When man builds something, he has to do all these things. God, however, does not. This is so beautiful! :clap:

God is saying to Job, "I am all powerful; I created the earth with my voice [not with tape rulers and cornerstones]. Where were YOU when I did all this???" We know the earth hangs on nothing at all. It is kept in its place by God's power.

God was putting Job in his place because Job had begun questioning why God would allow all those bad things to happen to him.

In the middle of God's questioning, He gives us a scientific tidbit - stars sing. (Scientists now are finding this out.) Then he also mentions that the sons of God shouted for joy - His created ones, not inanimate objects, not animals and not human either but still beings that had the power to choose to love and worship Him or to rebel as did Lucifer and much like man did later. Yes, His angels shouted for joy at the wonder they beheld as they had the privilege of watching all this take place. I can only hope that one day in Heaven, God will allow us some kind of DVD feature where we can watch what happened. :clap::clap::clap:


That's an interesting perspective, sister.
I will study that.
Thanks.
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Brother Parrish' date=' regardless of your position, quoting references to a corrupted Bible manuscript (Septuagint) and an apostate Jew's (Philo) interpretation certainly does not help your argument.[/quote']
LOL, yes, well don't forget---the Apostle Paul quoted heathen poets more than once!
Jerry, make no mistake, I'm not arguing at all---I already stated that as politely as I could, and at this point I honestly don't give a rat's rear end whether you agree with my views or not. Maybe you are just hear to argue, or maybe the people who don't believe what the Bible is PLAINLY teaching them should go start their own thread called, "why we are right about the Sons of God and everyone else is wrong." I promise you, I won't post a word on it! :cool
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Then he also mentions that the sons of God shouted for joy - His created ones' date=' not inanimate objects, not animals and not human either but still beings that had the power to choose to love and worship Him or to rebel as did Lucifer and much like man did later. Yes, His angels shouted for joy at the wonder they beheld as they had the privilege of watching all this take place....[/quote']

Exactly---I agree, the sons of God were angels, you are hitting the nail on the head! :thumb
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I'm going to try just one more time, trying to point you to Holy Scriptures where the answers lie to your questions which have already been answered.

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Where and when did this take place at? "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?" When God laid the foundation of the world.

Who was with God at that time? "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" The morning star and the sons of God. Check out and find who the morning star & the sons of God and you will have your answer. By the way, at that time God had not created Adam, so it could not have been men, humans, present with Him. Hint, sons of God are angels.


EXCELLENT POST Jerry80871852, I agree 100%, you obviously have no problem seeing the same way I do, and neither one of needed a microscope and a blow torch, imagine that! :amen:
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Jerry' date=' make no mistake, I'm not arguing at all---I already stated that as politely as I could, and at this point I honestly don't give a rat's rear end whether you agree with my views or not. Maybe you are just hear to argue, or maybe the people who don't believe what the Bible is PLAINLY teaching them should go start their own thread called, "why we are right about the Sons of God and everyone else is wrong." I promise you, I won't post a word on it! :cool[/quote']

Forget the crude language. I don't know why you are getting weird - I just stated that we should stick to the Bible not run to unbelievers' writings and corrupted manuscripts to learn about something. It has nothing to do with me thinking I am right or not - but let's put it this way, if you don't think you are right on an issue, why are you debating it on a message board?!?
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I noticed that too.

Parrish, If I was the pastor of your church or one of the parents of the kids you teach, you wouldn't be teaching my kids' Sunday school class, using vulgar language like that.
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The Bible uses figurative language. But that is no justification for eliminating any and all literal references on a whim. This is the sort of interpretation which dominated biblical study in late antiquity and the middle ages, and its pretty much pointless. This would make a good sermon, I suppose, and might be an acceptable application of the passage, but it is not a proper interpretation. Just because the earth doesn't have foundations in the same way that man-made buildings do does not mean that Job 38 is not talking about the earth at all! The language is figurative, yes. But it is clearly talking about the earth because it says so - the passage makes little sense otherwise.

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If there was other symbolic terminology in that passage, you might be able to say the foundations was also symbolical - but the fact is other passages dealing with creation ALSO refer to the foundations of the earth. Even other places in the NT refer to the creation week in those terms.

Besides, if it was symbolical, where is the actual foundation laying it is symbolic of? The other symbols used in the Bible all refer to actual people or events, and use that as the springboard for the symbol that is used at a later time. For example, Babylon is an actual literal city, but is used in Revelation symbolically - the symbol being used to show that endtime Babylon would be similar to real Babylon in certain ways. Same with Gog and Magog in Revelation 20 referring back to the real Gog and Magog in the book of Ezekiel.

Where is the literal declaration of foundations of the earth being laid - if these are supposedly symbolical?

Besides, it is not referring to day one, but day three - as a comparison with Job 28, Psalm 104, and Genesis 1 shows. The foundations of the earth is referring to the continents, when the land masses were separated from the water. There was a very literal time when that happened.

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If there was other symbolic terminology in that passage, you might be able to say the foundations was also symbolical - but the fact is other passages dealing with creation ALSO refer to the foundations of the earth. Even other places in the NT refer to the creation week in those terms.

Besides, if it was symbolical, where is the actual foundation laying it is symbolic of? The other symbols used in the Bible all refer to actual people or events, and use that as the springboard for the symbol that is used at a later time. For example, Babylon is an actual literal city, but is used in Revelation symbolically - the symbol being used to show that endtime Babylon would be similar to real Babylon in certain ways. Same with Gog and Magog in Revelation 20 referring back to the real Gog and Magog in the book of Ezekiel.

Where is the literal declaration of foundations of the earth being laid - if these are supposedly symbolical?

Besides, it is not referring to day one, but day three - as a comparison with Job 28, Psalm 104, and Genesis 1 shows. The foundations of the earth is referring to the continents, when the land masses were separated from the water. There was a very literal time when that happened.


How do you know "foundations" were continents? Wouldn't islands have foundations too?
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All those of you who actually consider a "rat's rear end" to be offensive language please grow up. :cool
Although I can appreciate the sanctimonious rebuttal, I am sure some of you have far worse on your living room TV every day.

Here is a Wiki reference page to the Book of Enoch...
Certainly not an inspired Biblical reference, but interesting reading with regard to the topic:

The first section of the book depicts the interaction of the fallen angels with mankind; S

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Parrish' date=' If I was the pastor of your church or one of the parents of the kids you teach, you wouldn't be teaching my kids' Sunday school class, using vulgar language like that.[/quote']

Don't worry---I reserve that kind of language for sanctimonious brethren who think they know everything about the Bible. :Green
I tried being nice with you gents, we can get back to that if you want, choice is yours... but you'll have to start by admitting you could be wrong about the Sons of God. See I actually admitted I could be wrong earlier, but the fact is, I have a real problem with intolerant Bible experts who get dogmatic about gray areas. NOW, HOW ABOUT STICKING TO THE TOPIC AND LEAVING ME OUT OF IT. :cool
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Dearest Bro Jerry,
When doing research, have you never LOOKED AT archaelogical evidence, any unbelievers' writings or other references BESIDES the Bible? Are you serious?

And might I add, all I have proposed from the start is gathering information on my study with regard to the Nephilim, some of us are actually in agreement here, I think we can see who is "debating." It wasn't ME who stated what another member thought about this was SCIENCE FICTION, now was it? I suggest that everyone keep an open mind---and seriously, if anyone doesn't have anything to add about the GIANTS in ancient history - the Nephilim, consider buzzing off, I promise you won't hurt my feelings and I'm sure we can regroup with joy on another topic later. :thumb
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Jerry80871852, here is an interesting article on the "Sons of God," also draws a distinction between the Nephilim and Giborem...
I thought it was funny this Jewish fellow actually believes the same way I do about Matthew 22:30... imagine that!

Sons Of God...Sethites Or Fallen Angels?
"The following article is only a portion of a Biblical study on Demonology: The Doctrine of Fallen Angels- Dr. A.G. Fruchtenbaum. Dr. Fruchtenbaum is a Messianic Jewish believer and founder of http://www.ariel.org in San Antonio Texas. He comes from a family line of Levite Priest (father and grandfather) and has knowledge of scripture that is just uncanny, nonetheless having become a believer in Christ at a young age, his father threw him out of the house for converting from Judaism to Christianity at the age of 17 or 18..."
http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/forum ... =23&t=1327

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Here is an excellent article on THE SONS OF GOD and the Nephilim...
well thought-out and well presented... :thumb

The Sons of God and the Daughters of Men
(Genesis 6:1-8)
By: Bob Deffinbaugh , Th.M.

"I therefore understand the Nephilim to be a race of super-humans who are the product of this angelic invasion of the earth.
This view not only conforms to the biblical use of the expression ?sons of God,? it also best fits the context of the passage. The effects of the fall were seen in the godly offspring of Cain (chapter 4). While Cain and his descendants were ?in Satan?s pocket,? Satan knew from God?s words in Genesis 3:15 that through the seed of the woman God was going to bring forth a Messiah who would destroy him. We do not know that the entire line of Seth was God-fearing. In fact we would assume otherwise. Noah and his immediate family alone seem to be righteous at the time of the flood..."
http://www.bible.org/author.php?author_id=9

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    • Bro. West  »  Pastor Scott Markle

      Advanced revelation, then...prophecy IS advanced revelation in the context of the apostles.
      I really do not know where you are going with this. The Bible itself has revelations and prophecies and not all revelations are prophecies.
      Paul had things revealed to him that were hid and unknown that the Gentiles would be fellow heirs.
      How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Eph 3:3-9
      And I do not mean this as a Hyper-dispensationalist would, for there were people in Christ before Paul (Rom. 16:7). This is not prophecy for there are none concerning the Church age in the O.T..
      Israel rejected the New Wine (Jesus Christ) and said the Old Wine (law) was better, had they tasted the New Wine there would be no church age or mystery as spoken above. to be revealed.
      It was a revealed mystery. Sure there are things concerning the Gentiles after the this age. And we can now see types in the Old Testament (Boaz and Ruth) concerning a Gentile bride, but this is hindsight.
      Peter could have had a ham sandwich in Acts 2, but he did not know it till later, by revelation. But this has nothing to do with 1John 2;23 and those 10 added words in italics. Where did they get them? Did the violate Pro. 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Where did they get this advance revelation? Was it from man, God or the devil?
        I just read your comment and you bypassed what I wrote concerning book arrangement, chapters being added and verse numberings and such. There is no scripture support for these either, should we reject these?
      Happy New Year
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    • Bro. West

      Seeing it is Christ----mas time and I was answering question on Luke 2:33 concerning Jesus, Mary and Joseph . I thought it would be fitting to display a poem i wrote concerning the matter.
      SCRIPTURAL MARY

      I WALK NOT ON WATER NOR CHANGE IT TO WINE
      SO HEARKEN O’ SINNER TO THIS STORY OF MINE
      I, AM A DAUGHTER OF ABRAHAM SINNER BY BIRTH
      A HAND MAID OF LOW ESTATE USED HERE ON EARTH
      MY HAIR IS NOT GENTILE BLOND, I HAVE NOT EYES OF BLUE
      A MOTHER OF MANY CHILDREN A DAUGHTER OF A JEW
      FOR JOSEPH MY HUSBAND DID HONOUR OUR BED
      TO FATHER OUR CHILDREN WHO NOW ARE ALL DEAD
      BUT I SPEAK NOT OF THESE WHO I LOVED SO WELL
      BUT OF THE FIRST BORN WHICH SAVED ME FROM HELL
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                               2
      WHEN I WAS A VIRGIN UNKNOWN BY MAN
      THE ANGEL OF GOD SPOKE OF GOD’S PLAN
      FOR I HAD BEEN CHOSEN A FAVOUR VESSEL OF CLAY
      TO BARE THE SON OF THE HIGHEST BY AN UNUSUAL WAY
      FOR THE SCRIPTURE FORETOLD OF WHAT WAS TO BE
      SO MY WOMB GOD FILLED WHEN HE OVER SHADOW ME
      BUT THE LAW OF MOSES DID DEMAND MY LIFE
      WOULD JOSEPH MY BETROTHED MAKE ME HIS WIFE
      I THOUGHT ON THESE THINGS WITH SO NEEDLESS FEARS
      BUT A DREAM HE RECEIVED ENDED ALL FEARS
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                              3
      THEN MY SOUL DID REJOICE IN GOD MY SAVIOR
      HE SCATTERED THE PROUD AND BLESS ME WITH FAVOR
      O’ THE RICH ARE EMPTY, THE HUNGRY HAVE GOOD THINGS
      FOR THE THRONE OF DAVID WOULD HAVE JESUS THE KING
      BUT BEFORE I DELIVERED THE MAN CHILD OF OLD
      CAESAR WITH TAXES DEMANDED OUR GOLD
      TO THE CITY OF DAVID JOSEPH AND I WENT
      ON A BEAST OF BURDEN OUR STRENGTH NEAR SPEND
      NO ROOM AT An INN, BUT A STABLE WAS FOUND
      WITH STRAW AND DUNG LAID ON THE GROUND
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
                                                  4
      MY MATRIX WAS OPEN IN A PLACE SO PROFANE
      FROM THE GLORY OF GLORIES TO A BEGGAR’S DOMAIN
      SO WE WRAPPED THE CHILD GIVEN TO THE HEATHEN A STRANGER
      NO REPUTATION IS SOUGHT TO BE BORN IN A MANGER
      HIS STAR WAS ABOVE US THE HOST OF HEAVEN DID SING
      FOR SHEPHERDS AND WISE MEN WORSHIP ONLY THE KING
      BUT HEROD THAT DEVIL SOUGHT FOR HIS SOUL
      AND MURDER RACHEL’S CHILDREN UNDER TWO YEARS OLD
      BUT JOSEPH MY HUSBAND WAS WARNED IN A DREAM
      SO WE FLED INTO EGYPT BECAUSE OF HIS SCHEME
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY SO TRUST ME NOT
                                               5
      SO THE GIVER OF LIFE, THE ROCK OF ALL AGES
      GREW UP TO FULFILL THE HOLY PAGES
      HE PREACH WITH AUTHORITY LIKE NONE BEFORE
      PLEASE TRUST HIS WORDS AND NOT THE GREAT WHORE
      HER BLACK ROBE PRIEST FILL THEIR LIPS WITH MY NAME
      WITH BLASPHEMOUS PRAISE, DAMMATION AND SHAME
      THERE ARE NO NAIL PRINTS IN MY HANDS, MY BODY DID NOT ARISE
      NOR, AM A DEMON OF FATIMA FLOATING IN THE SKY
      THERE IS NO DEITY IN MY VEINS FOR ADAM CAME FROM SOD
      FOR I, AM, MOTHER OF THE SON OF MAN NOT THE MOTHER OF GOD
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, SO TRUST ME NOT
      6
      FOR MY SOUL WAS PURCHASED BY GOD UPON THE CROSS
      FOR MY SINS HE DID SUFFER AN UNMEASURABLE COST
      I WILL NOT STEAL HIS GLORY WHO ROSE FROM THE DEAD
      ENDURING SPIT AND THORNS PLACED ON HIS HEAD
      YET, IF YOU WISH TO HONOR ME THEN GIVE ME NONE AT ALL
      BUT TRUST THE LAMB WHO STOOL IN PILATE’S HALL
      CALL NOT ON THIS REDEEMED WOMAN IN YOUR TIME OF FEAR
      FOR I WILL NOT GIVE ANSWER NEITHER WILL I HEAR
      AND WHEN THE BOOKS ARE OPEN AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE
      I AMEN YOUR DAMNATION THAT TRUST NOT HIM ALONE
      MY FLESH SAW CORRUPTION MY BONES THEY DID ROT
      MY PAPS ARE NOT HOLY, O’ SINNER TRUST ME NOT

                       WRITTEN BY BRO. WEST
       
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